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Reply #175 on: November 27, 2007, 03:52:24 PM

This thread needs more charts.  swamp poop

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Reply #176 on: November 27, 2007, 11:14:35 PM

Page one, short of a few misplaced  awesome, for real's it's hard to beat that shit.
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Reply #177 on: November 28, 2007, 04:08:39 AM

Sexy. I completely forgot about that part. Well played, sir.

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Reply #178 on: November 28, 2007, 12:48:02 PM

Page six needs a Dark Lord Cheney.

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Reply #179 on: November 28, 2007, 03:31:32 PM

This thread should definitely devolve into a terrible Cheney thread, much like the other SWG thread has its Vaders.



Heh heh.

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Reply #180 on: November 29, 2007, 08:57:16 AM

This is the reality of the situation guys. As a software company, they are allowed to release the software in such a state that it is not playable, but as long as they can show they are working to fix it in a timely manner, then they do not have to refund your money or anything else.

Now, to the legalese of the EULA and such. It's bullshit. Pure and simple. Most of what they put into the EULA won't stand up in court. It's simply there as a worst case scenario and because their own lawyers said that it covered their asses in all eventualities. But the fact of the matter is, and has been proven several times, is that you can't sign away your rights totally, as they are trying to imply. There is always recourse through the justice system, if you have the time and the money to argue the point.

The problem at this point, is that they can say they're working to resolve the issues that plague the game, and I actually believe them. They are trying to fix the bugs. Except they're doing so at the cost of the subscriber. A timely manner is waiting until December when the promised 'big' patch is coming out, and if they don't have the subscriber features in place, then nail them with a class action 'breach of contract' for not providing the services they promised to the paying subscribers in a timely manner, because 2 months after release, they better show some sort of progress for subscribers rather than just trying to throw a shiny little bone. HGL, while an average game as far as these games go, is simply going to be the game that sunk FSS and put Bill Roper's name on the same level as John Romero.
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Reply #181 on: November 29, 2007, 09:16:07 AM

... HGL, while an average game as far as these games go, is simply going to be the game that sunk FLS and put Bill Roper's name on the same level as John Romero.

Hello, welcome to the board.

John's latest projects:

http://www.slipg8.com/

http://www.escalationstudios.com/index.php/projects/

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Reply #182 on: November 29, 2007, 12:49:58 PM

As cool as it might be to work in the industry, I get the feeling that working under John Romero would kill it.   ACK!
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Reply #183 on: November 29, 2007, 12:56:05 PM

This is the reality of the situation guys. As a software company, they are allowed to release the software in such a state that it is not playable, but as long as they can show they are working to fix it in a timely manner, then they do not have to refund your money or anything else.

Now, to the legalese of the EULA and such. It's bullshit. Pure and simple. Most of what they put into the EULA won't stand up in court. It's simply there as a worst case scenario and because their own lawyers said that it covered their asses in all eventualities. But the fact of the matter is, and has been proven several times, is that you can't sign away your rights totally, as they are trying to imply. There is always recourse through the justice system, if you have the time and the money to argue the point.

The problem at this point, is that they can say they're working to resolve the issues that plague the game, and I actually believe them. They are trying to fix the bugs. Except they're doing so at the cost of the subscriber. A timely manner is waiting until December when the promised 'big' patch is coming out, and if they don't have the subscriber features in place, then nail them with a class action 'breach of contract' for not providing the services they promised to the paying subscribers in a timely manner, because 2 months after release, they better show some sort of progress for subscribers rather than just trying to throw a shiny little bone. HGL, while an average game as far as these games go, is simply going to be the game that sunk FSS and put Bill Roper's name on the same level as John Romero.

I'm an idiot. I was trying to correct the studio name and hit quote rather than modify.

But in response to his latest projects, he was working on porting games to the mobile platform for a while, letting all the hullaballo about the debacle that was Daikatana die down, probably hoping people would forget and now he has a whole new generation to screw over with his huge ego.
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Reply #184 on: November 29, 2007, 01:07:53 PM

In my sordid past, I have been screwed by big egos.  Usually I was able to sneak away unnoticed. 

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Reply #185 on: November 30, 2007, 12:40:44 AM

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Hi Eric,

Your subscription has been canceled and a refund of $149.99 has been issued to your credit card.

Sorry for the delay in responding to your request.

Marti

I don't see any grammatical errors.

Edited for subtlety.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2007, 01:09:45 AM by schild »
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Reply #186 on: November 30, 2007, 12:48:39 AM

4 things:

1. I didn't expect the refund really, and frankly am shocked by it.
2. I'm serious, the first thing I noticed in that email was the lack of grammatical errors.
3. Samwise had to point out to me that I got the whole $150 and not $140 like I'd asked for.
4. I still have the option for a lifetime account if they get their shit together, they let me keep the founders status.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2007, 01:09:59 AM by schild »
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Reply #187 on: November 30, 2007, 01:29:05 AM

Holy shit they gave you a refund! That's pretty awesome really. Well, not really I guess, but pretty awesome by comparison anyway, certainly well above expectations.

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Reply #188 on: November 30, 2007, 01:41:07 AM

Wow, congratulations.

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Reply #189 on: November 30, 2007, 01:43:13 AM

I'm surprised too.  What's the point of tricking people into buying lifetime subscriptions if you just give them back?  We might have to start regarding them as a legitimate business.   ACK!
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Reply #190 on: November 30, 2007, 02:35:01 AM

It all worked out beautifully.

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Reply #191 on: November 30, 2007, 02:52:09 AM

It all worked out beautifully.

 swamp poop

Almost. Now the gates are open, and I want my 9.99 back.
Can I copypaste your mails, Schild?

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Reply #192 on: November 30, 2007, 06:16:23 AM

I WANT SOME FREE MONEY TOO!!!

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Reply #193 on: November 30, 2007, 07:27:56 AM

I WANT SOME FREE MONEY TOO!!!

Please let me know if you are able to obtain a refund on the game.  After all, beta testers were able to play for free until recently, why shouldn't everyone have been able to play for free without buying a box from a store?


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Reply #194 on: November 30, 2007, 07:59:10 AM




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Reply #195 on: November 30, 2007, 08:16:13 AM

Which one is schild? Don't tell me Mr. T. DON'T TELL ME MR. T!

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Reply #196 on: November 30, 2007, 04:47:08 PM

Clearly not. Schild would never hack a mohawk into WoW.
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Reply #197 on: November 30, 2007, 04:48:20 PM

I have a level 70 pal in WoW.
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Reply #198 on: December 01, 2007, 01:56:03 AM

Which one is schild? Don't tell me Mr. T. DON'T TELL ME MR. T!

 awesome, for real

The old one, obviously.  Because he's a smoker.
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Reply #199 on: December 01, 2007, 04:14:41 PM

Which one is schild? Don't tell me Mr. T. DON'T TELL ME MR. T!

 awesome, for real

Since schild paid a lifetime subscription for a game based on "potential" but decided to brave CS for a refund just a month after launch, I'd have to go for ... Murdock.  awesome, for real

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Reply #200 on: December 17, 2007, 09:45:57 PM

Failgate London or “Why You Don't Outsource Important Services.”

You've probably noticed that up until today, I was a pretty big supporter of Hellgate: London. In fact, I defended them even under the most blundering decisions. Design, QA, launch procedure, billing woes, etc. It didn't really matter, I simply assumed that due to the experience at Flagship that they would work through all of this. But there was one issue I consistently complained about: The Memory Leak. Normally, with any game – particularly an online one, this is the most important thing to get fixed. See, for people to talk about the game, enjoy the game, and most importantly, recommend the game to others they need to be able to play it. For a little more than a week, I haven't been able to play the game.


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This post is just more of the same from the drama queens at f13.net, with the added fun of lies/inaccuracies/exaggerations thrown into the mix for good measure.

1.  Contrary to your claim, pets are in the game.  At present, they consist of the Zombot and Manta.  The Zombot was originally subscriber-only, but the Halloween event was opened to non-subs before it ended due to very real problems with the subscription system at launch.  If the fact that some non-subs have Zombots means in your mind that FSS *LIED* to you, you suffer from an extremely warped perception of reality.   FSS never promised a specific date for launch of many of the touted sub-only features, such as new character classes.   

2. Both "cancelled" and "canceled" are acceptable spellings for the past tense of the verb "to cancel".  Check your dictionary next time before making an ass of yourself.

3.  It isn't the case that patch after patch went by with no mention of fixing memory leaks.  Several patches included memory leak fixes (or at least attempted fixes), as detailed in the patch notes.  Most recently (I believe in the 0.6 patch), the developers claim to have have fixed a serious memory leak resulting from examing items in your inventory.   Rather than wildly claiming that the developers were *ignoring* memory leak problems, you'd have been better off opining that the developers have been much too slow in fixing them.

4. Demanding a refund on a lifetime subscription is idiotic.

With all of the above said, I must say I'm disappointed with HGL's subscriber "perks" and the game generally.  But I'd expect a website that imagines itself as offering objective, factual analysis to do a better job of pointing out the shortcomings in a game and its attendant online service.
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Reply #201 on: December 17, 2007, 10:03:24 PM

You must be new here.  Welcome!   this guy looks legit

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Reply #202 on: December 17, 2007, 10:15:43 PM

Reading is hard.
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Reply #203 on: December 17, 2007, 11:34:38 PM

But guys, he made FOUR POINTS!
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Reply #204 on: December 17, 2007, 11:43:55 PM

Check your dictionary next time before making an ass of yourself.

3.  ... the developers claim to have have fixed a serious memory leak...

Check your grammar, douche. And what is "examing"? All that froth must be making your keyboard slippery.

As far as demanding refund on a lifetime sub- it's not like this is a Free Mason's induction. I'd want my money back as well.

edit: spelling!
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Jackpot!
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Reply #205 on: December 17, 2007, 11:45:45 PM

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But I'd expect a website that imagines itself as offering objective, factual analysis to do a better job of pointing out the shortcomings in a game and its attendant online service.

What website are we talking about again?

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Reply #206 on: December 18, 2007, 02:24:46 AM

I like the rest of the Internet.  It makes me look better by comparison.  awesome, for real
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Reply #207 on: December 18, 2007, 02:42:20 AM

He has a point though.  We do have a lot of Drama Queens.

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Reply #208 on: December 18, 2007, 04:10:25 AM

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But I'd expect a website that imagines itself as offering objective, factual analysis to do a better job of pointing out the shortcomings in a game and its attendant online service.

What website are we talking about again?
Fark, I think.

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Reply #209 on: December 18, 2007, 05:57:08 AM

2. Both "cancelled" and "canceled" are acceptable spellings for the past tense of the verb "to cancel".  Check your dictionary next time before making an ass of yourself.

Excuse me, please be to reading the rest of the thread before you act like an idiot. I said this already!

The new people are steppin' on my grammar snake!  awesome, for real

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