Call of Duty 4

[Trippy]

Practice with the grenade launcher

[SnakeCharmer]

I just can't settle down on the mouse speed.  Too fast and I over aim.  Too slow and I can't keep up.  Plus the herky jerky isn't helping.

[AngryGumball]

Man, I'm bummed I cannot find a PC edition at my local Fred Meyer, Went Friday, Sunday, Today-Tuesday. Fairly sure I would have bought it to. Full price. :) Sucks to live in a nowhere town.

I see the xbox 360 version. Alas...

[Sky]

Am I the only person who finds games you can finish in a day (or even a week) a rip-off?

No, but thinking that actually devalues games. And is patently stupid.

Examples of games that can be finished in one day:
New Super Mario Bros.
Shadow of the Colossus
Half-Life 2 Episode 1 & 2 (yes, both, together).
Portal
Heavenly Sword
God of War 1
God of War 2 (seperated because you couldn't beat both in a day unless you played 16 hours straight)

Basically, No. You're completely wrong.

Remember though, quality comes before gameplay length. Which is to say, if a crappy game is short. Complaining about it being short is a silly thing since the game is ALREADY CRAPPY.

Edit: I can not think of a single non JRPG that can't be beaten in under a week investing less than 8 hours in a day into it over 5 days. Or 5-6 hours each day over the course of 7 days.

Portal was not a full game, I wouldn't have bought it no matter how moist the cake was. In fact, that whole Orange Box thing was an uncharacteristically weak moment for me, since I don't really play much TF2 anyway and HL2 bores me to tears so I never made it to Ep 1 or 2. So as moist as the cake was, I would rather have spent my dough on something I'd still be playing.

You are setting up a strawman. Show me where I said I'd rather have a crappy game. What I like (and I'm not WRONG, it's an opinion) is a game that is good AND long (that's what she said). Maybe I'm spoiled by getting a lot of bang for my gaming buck, I'm ok with that.

Please refrain from calling me patently stupid. I'm working hard not to be insulting to you, please return the courtesy. I guess it's your board and if you want to comport yourself that way, it's your call.

[Ookii]

Am I the only person who finds games you can finish in a day (or even a week) a rip-off?

No, but thinking that actually devalues games. And is patently stupid.

Examples of games that can be finished in one day:
New Super Mario Bros.
Shadow of the Colossus
Half-Life 2 Episode 1 & 2 (yes, both, together).
Portal
Heavenly Sword
God of War 1
God of War 2 (seperated because you couldn't beat both in a day unless you played 16 hours straight)

Fahrenheit!

Oh and Ookii :heart:s short games, 30 dollars > 5 hours is a good value to me.

[Rasix]

Am I the only person who finds games you can finish in a day (or even a week) a rip-off?

The day part, I'll give you.  The week? Nah, not so much.

Thing is, most games that people say they beat in a day (especially schild) take me about a week to beat at least.  I don't play any one game for more than 2 hours at a time, and I have about 3 hours max game time a day. Shit, even during weeks where my wife is away on business, I barely break this mold. JRPGs take me months nowadays.

And, as much as I'm loathe to admit this, I'm no superstar gamer.  People say the beat Shadow of the Colossus in 5 hours? Spiffy, I think I'll be double that at the least. GoW2 in 8 hours? Heh, not here.

I kind of binged on Beautiful Katamari and beat it in less than 2 days.  I felt a little ripped, the game should have been priced a little lower. It felt like an XBLA game, but with a $40 price tag (which is cheap for a 360 boxed game).  But, that's a game I'll have more fun with just picking up anytime and trying for higher completion on levels. But the core experience when I completed it, was not worth the money.  I haven't felt like that in a while (except when I bought Guitar Hero 2, that game isn't very interesting single player IMO. Especially if you suck).  As an aside, Portal was worth it for me, because TF2 has been worth more than $45 alone.

I'd likely feel like you did if I was on more of a budget and could play for longer stretches at a time.  As is, my experience is my own and the only time I really end up feeling ripped off anymore (exception above)  is when I fail to undo the shrink wrap. 

Edit: I can not think of a single non JRPG that can't be beaten in under a week investing less than 8 hours in a day into it over 5 days. Or 5-6 hours each day over the course of 7 days

Okami!  I wouldn't call it a jRPG.  Even though it's kind of a RPG.. from Japan.     Heh, I beat FF2 in 10 hours a few years ago on an emulator.  That was eye opening, I had always figured that game was longer.  /random_thought

[squirrel]

So I picked up the PC version - cause IMO it's a PC shooter in a big way - but it makes my machines cry. Now they are older/mobile machines but played BioShock/HG:L with no complaints but CoD4 makes them weep. It's playable single player with much of the pretty turned off but I doubt I'll take it Multi as it stands. And given what I play lately I doubt I'll upgrade to make it work better.

The single player so far is very good, prolly shoulda got the 360 version though. My laptop has no prob with The Orange Box, BioShock or HG:L but this game makes it whimper big time.

[Teleku]

Half-Life 2 Episode 1 & 2 (yes, both, together).

That would take one hell of a poopsocker run to do that.  I call shenanigans.

[schild]

Episode 1 took about 2-3 hours.
I could probably do episode 2 in 4 hours if I wasn't looking for grubs. That's a light gaming day on a weekend.

[LK]

Am I the only person who finds games you can finish in a day (or even a week) a rip-off?

The day part, I'll give you.  The week? Nah, not so much.

Thing is, most games that people say they beat in a day (especially schild) take me about a week to beat at least.  I don't play any one game for more than 2 hours at a time, and I have about 3 hours max game time a day. Shit, even during weeks where my wife is away on business, I barely break this mold. JRPGs take me months nowadays.

And, as much as I'm loathe to admit this, I'm no superstar gamer.  People say the beat Shadow of the Colossus in 5 hours? Spiffy, I think I'll be double that at the least. GoW2 in 8 hours? Heh, not here.

I kind of binged on Beautiful Katamari and beat it in less than 2 days.  I felt a little ripped, the game should have been priced a little lower. It felt like an XBLA game, but with a $40 price tag (which is cheap for a 360 boxed game).  But, that's a game I'll have more fun with just picking up anytime and trying for higher completion on levels. But the core experience when I completed it, was not worth the money.  I haven't felt like that in a while (except when I bought Guitar Hero 2, that game isn't very interesting single player IMO. Especially if you suck).  As an aside, Portal was worth it for me, because TF2 has been worth more than $45 alone.

I'd likely feel like you did if I was on more of a budget and could play for longer stretches at a time.  As is, my experience is my own and the only time I really end up feeling ripped off anymore (exception above)  is when I fail to undo the shrink wrap. 

Edit: I can not think of a single non JRPG that can't be beaten in under a week investing less than 8 hours in a day into it over 5 days. Or 5-6 hours each day over the course of 7 days

Okami!  I wouldn't call it a jRPG.  Even though it's kind of a RPG.. from Japan.     Heh, I beat FF2 in 10 hours a few years ago on an emulator.  That was eye opening, I had always figured that game was longer.  /random_thought

Katamari was pretty good for $40, what with Multiplayer and trying to get high scores on the levels.  High replayability.  If you blitzed through the levels, yeah, you'll beat it pretty quick.

[Azazel]

The MP of this game is the first time I have ever felt like I am disadvantaged by having a computer that can pretty much run the thing with all bells and whistles going.

All the various environmental effects and lighting effects and so on can make firefights a really confusing mess that would be much more easily navigated if I didn't have to worry about all of them.

[Teleku]

Episode 1 took about 2-3 hours.
I could probably do episode 2 in 4 hours if I wasn't looking for grubs. That's a light gaming day on a weekend.

Gah, sorry, I misread that as all of Half-life 2, plus Episodes 1 and 2.

[SnakeCharmer]

Has anyone managed to finish this on the hardest difficulty?  My God, it's nearly impossible.  I can get to one section where you have to get to the second floor of the TV station, and can't make it past that. 

[Azazel]

I'm playing it on Normal, and while I can see myself playing through it again in a year or three, I can't see myself bothering with a higher difficulty level. To me, there's no point.

The SP game is so heavily scripted that it feels more like an "interactive movie experience" than an actual game. So, it's a great experience, but not a good game, in my opinion.

[Trippy]

I'm playing it on Normal, and while I can see myself playing through it again in a year or three, I can't see myself bothering with a higher difficulty level. To me, there's no point.

It's useful if you need practice for MP.

[SnakeCharmer]

It's useful if you need practice for MP.

Bingo.

[Azazel]

I just play MP instead.

I've been enjoying it, but its a bit frustrating in it's super-twitchiness though. Reminds me of QW in a lot of ways..

[SnakeCharmer]

I am awful.  Like always first to die and never get a kill awful.

In fact, saying I am awful at FPS shooters is an insult to the word awful. 

[Azazel]

Well, I'm better than that, but not what I'd call "good".

An awful lot seems to depend on the guns you have unlocked, though.

[Strazos]

Having never owned a BF-series game, I think unlockable weapons are stupid. Uneven playing field and all that.

I can't even tolerate the cash-buy systems anymore, like in CS. It really sucks if you're on a shit team and getting rolled - you never have money for gear.

[schild]

An awful lot seems to depend on the guns you have unlocked, though.

I tend to go for 3 kills asap, get the gps up, and start knifing from behind, as many as possible. Hit the air strike across the map, then land the helicoptor. Road to victoly!

[Trippy]

Having never owned a BF-series game, I think unlockable weapons are stupid. Uneven playing field and all that.

The unlockable weapons aren't all that (with a handful of exceptions like the semi-auto shotgun) -- it's the attachments that are key which you get from killing things with the weapons.

[SnakeCharmer]

Are these the things (attachments / weapons) you get from completing challenges?  Or are these MP rewards?

[schild]

Attachments are unlocked as you finish the weapon specific challenges. Yes, only in MP.

[SnakeCharmer]

Sooo, there's weapon specific challenges in MP?

I'm so screwed.

[Azazel]

Yes. It can be a tad frustrating when you're running around using a sniper rifle predominantly as a hip-fire weapon in order to actually rack up some kills to get the better scope, etc. Using that base M16A4 to start with till I unlocked something useful was painful in so many ways. I guess the clanners can get around some of this by just rolling up and shooting their mates in the head 25 times to get the more painful unlocks within minutes.

Of course, it's partly because I seem to be a bit rubbish at this (I'm usually considerably better at FPS games) - I seem to lack the super-twitch for the herky-jerky blink-and-you-dead MP on small maps in CoD4. When dead I'm constantly seeing people with the MP44 using iron sights to snipe people across the globe. Like, to the extent where I seriously wonder if they've modded the game to reskin everyone else in bright flouro orange or something.

[SnakeCharmer]

When dead I'm constantly seeing people with the MP44 using iron sights to snipe people across the globe. Like, to the extent where I seriously wonder if they've modded the game to reskin everyone else in bright flouro orange or something.

That's whats always frustrated me with online FPS play (cheating); which is I suck because I rarely ever indulge in it.

Isn't Punkbuster supposed to take care of that?

[Trippy]

I've watched enough CS demos to know that there really are people out there who can headshot you from across the map with an AK47 and I haven't run across anybody yet, watching through the killcam, that I even remotely thought was cheating, though I must say that the CoD 4 netcode really sucks badly.

As for PB I don't know how good it is at catching cheaters but it seemed to be on the fritz last night where on a number of servers it would dump everybody except a handful of players for no apparent reason (and for some reason I was never one of those dropped).

Edit: which is not to say that there isn't any cheating going on in CoD 4 it's just that there are lots of people out there that are really really good at shooters.

[jdun]

Just play the shipment map, free for all. That will take care of any level and gun mod problems.

[schild]

Just play the shipment map, free for all. That will take care of any level and gun mod problems.

Knife at spawn, martyrdom for the win.

[Trippy]

I need to find a game mode and map(s) that isn't akin to playing with crack monkeys armed with death ray weapons. The normal domination maps are so small and the random shooting/grenade/air support/helicopter spam so great that my life expectency is shorter than in an UT instagib game unless I'm intentionally hiding myself in a corner somewhere. On a seriously unbalanced team I can't even get out of our spawn area(s) much of the time.

I found a mode I like -- Team Deathmatch -- which is unusual for me since I prefer objective gametypes. However with those I'm compelled to try and play to "win" which means lots and lots of dying from random directions since most of the others are just playing TDM so there are only a handful of us trying to actually take objectives and so on. With TDM I can play at my own pace, to some extent, and the only real objective is to try and keep my K:D ratio at 1 or above.

Headquarters is probably the easiest gametype to rack up the EXP on a good team if you are a newbie and suck at shooters cause you get points at regular intervals for guarding the HQ while the other side tries to destroy it. Unfortunately most people don't seem to understand the concept of HQ-mode so the games tend to be really lopsided score-wise.

Edit: typos

[Amaron]

I'm absolutely awesome at killing people but I can not for the life of me get the hang of not dying in this game.  End result is me being consistently near the top but always several kills below the top 4 or so.   The deaths stop me from getting enough kill streaks for heli/air support to rack up even more kills.  Really quite frustrating.

[Azazel]

Yes, it's really fucking bloody.

[Venkman]

I can't get enough of Sabotage.  It is so ridiculously good. 

It's for this alone I bought COD4. But over Steam (45 minutes from purchase to full install). Screw hard media. I have a better chance of continuing to lose my CDs from prior purchases than for Steam to ever go away

[Azazel]

I've watched enough CS demos to know that there really are people out there who can headshot you from across the map with an AK47 and I haven't run across anybody yet, watching through the killcam, that I even remotely thought was cheating, though I must say that the CoD 4 netcode really sucks badly.

Edit: which is not to say that there isn't any cheating going on in CoD 4 it's just that there are lots of people out there that are really really good at shooters.

I'm kind of in two minds. I'm aware that theres a ton of people out there far better than I will ever be, just that sometimes watching the killcam the bastards seem to be tracking me through walls long before I show my ugly face. Might be coincidence, might not.

And fuck it's painful logging onto a server where the only thing you're after is headshots with something that's less than a rifle to finish an unlock...