My Hate For Nintendo Reaches Critical Mass, They've Now Invaded My Motherfucking

[schild]

As to the wii-mote, i assume you were looking forward to the sixaxis controls of the ps3... So it cant be that much a a departure from that.

Uh, no.

I dunno, i think you may be having to many assumptions about the wii, looking at the other games on it (The resident evil games), i don't think this version will, NOT be an improvement over the original titles on the earlier hardware (as far as graphics, not necessarily art direction).

Like I said, alien tongue, this doesn't make any sense.

[Mrbloodworth]

As to the wii-mote, i assume you were looking forward to the sixaxis controls of the ps3... So it cant be that much a a departure from that.

Uh, no.

I dunno, i think you may be having to many assumptions about the wii, looking at the other games on it (The resident evil games), i don't think this version will, NOT be an improvement over the original titles on the earlier hardware (as far as graphics, not necessarily art direction).

Like I said, alien tongue, this doesn't make any sense.

Well, then i don't know what to say to you. The first part, you don't explain, anything. The second... you don't tell me what part you don't understand. So, i'm left with nothing to try to bridge the gap.

I will just try to restate.

I think that graphically, this version on the wii, will be better than the earlier ones with out changing the art direction.(Using the Resident evil Wii games as a sort of bench mark) Is it HD? Maybe not.. but the series has always been gritty..

I would expect that even on the Ps3, that the controls for this title would be close to what they are going to use for the wii.

Earth tongue Version: I understand your concerns, but don't share them.

[Slayerik]

Secondly, and most importantly, the popularity of it is going to -- I predict -- do to traditional console gaming what PopCap and consoles have done to traditional PC games: throw it into a niche and piss on it.

Hell, Peggle is fun. Whats wrong with companies making fun games again? Since I'm an MMO whore, I'm used to dealing with non fun. The demise of PC games came long before Popcap started making games. It was when all the small, talented software dev houses got scooped up by larger corporate entities...and we stopped seeing games by guys like Sid Meier.

So I played peggle and did every challenge and cleared every peg off every board. And I had fun doing it. Looking back at this post, its pretty pointless but fuck it I'm this fun in I might as well hit the post

[Sky]

edit: I think "They've Now Invaded My Motherfucking" should be the new internet meme - Field limit :(

Yeah. So? It's funny.

Don't make me Invade Your Motherfucking.

[schild]

edit: I think "They've Now Invaded My Motherfucking" should be the new internet meme - Field limit :(

Yeah. So? It's funny.

Don't make me Invade Your Motherfucking.

My motherfucking is made of win.

[Yegolev]

Hell, Peggle is fun. Whats wrong with companies making fun games again?

I played the Peggle demo that came with The Team Fortress 2 Box (previously termed The Orange Box) and I can say that I had more fun playing through that in one session than I have had for almost the entire run of Wii gaming.  I'm just not able to think of a PC equivalent of WarioWare: Smooth Moves or Mario Party 8 since I don't buy my PC games at the checkout counter of the grocery store, so my analogy kinda sucks.  Those games, they are indeed fun, but not FUN or AWESOME like, say, Bioshock or Galactic Civilizations 2 or what-have-you.  I'm just very paranoid of a "all restaurants are Taco Bell" situation.

[Velorath]

I've said it before and I'll likely say it again, but if you want to cry about stuff like Fatal Frame going to the Wii, blame Sony for releasing a machine that most of the PS2 fanbase can't afford.  Don't blame Nintendo for taking advantage of the fact that even after two generations as the industry leader, Sony still apparently has no understanding of it's fanbase.

[stray]

No, they understand. They wouldn't have gotten where they are if they didn't. It's just that Greed got the best of the them (Blu-Ray). That's really the only complication when it comes down to it. But it may pay off yet.

[HaemishM]

It's pretty much a handheld with no built-in screen in the eyes of game developers, meaning they are putting the third-string studios on it.

As I wrote in my blog today, if that is the developers attitude towards the system, sure it'll fail spectacularly because the developers will be doing their goddamnedest to sabotage the console from the start. And those developers should be out of business for tossing away good money on a system with such a large install base. If developers can't be arsed to create a good game on a system because it doesn't have impressive graphics, they should fucking burn up in an MMOG fire and be gone from the goddamn industry.

The video game industry used to be about creating fun experiences.

[schild]

Dude. There's no reason to develop for the Wii when 250k+ PS2s sell worldwide each month and it has an install base of over 120M.

[HaemishM]

Dude. There's no reason to develop for the Wii when 250k+ PS2s sell worldwide each month and it has an install base of over 120M.

Or you could develop for the PS2 AND the Wii, since the graphic capabilities are similar, and sell more copies with just a bit more development time.

There's plenty of reason to develop for the Wii. It's popular among the mass market. It's trendy. It's a next-gen system without a next-gen development budget. You can develop a similar game for about 1/4 the cost of a PS3/360 game. You can port a PS2 version with minimal extra cost.

[schild]

Theoretically. But real games actually sell on the PS2.

Thus far, they aren't on the Wii - not outside of Japan at least. Well, no, that's a crock of shit. They're not selling inside of Japan either. Dr. Kawashima has a bridge to sell you though. But only if you identify which one of these words is not like the other. Here, have a minigame.

And therein is your problem. You're defending a trendy system. A system that's trendy among the type of people who have no interest in stuff like Fatal Frame. I can guarantee it'll sell even less copies than the PS2/Xbox Crimson Butterfly releases. Just like Madden 08. And yet, those of us who DO want to buy it are fucked. All we can hope for is a PS2 release of it so we don't have to deal with a motherfucking waggle wand.

[Margalis]

Popcap games are not the cause of the PC market decline, they are the result. The same is true of the Wii and hardcore games.

Games cost more and more to make but have flat returns. PC games have compatibility issues and a lot of cost associated with them, Popcap games are cheap to make and are much simpler to make work on a variety of systems.

Making a modern game takes 10x the money it took a few years ago, and sales have not kept up. That means publishers have to either find new markets or cut costs, or both.

The current environment simply cannot support a mass of AAA titles, they cost too much to make and too few of them sell well. That's just reality. An HD Fatal Frame is going to sell the same number of companies at twice the cost to produce. Sounds like a winner.

None of that is the fault of Nintendo or Popcap, it's the fault of demographics and stagnant (relative to cost) markets and the fault of hardware manufacturers and tools makers that keep increasing the cost of development to output the same product.

[Jain Zar]

Theoretically. But real games actually sell on the PS2.

Thus far, they aren't on the Wii - not outside of Japan at least. Well, no, that's a crock of shit. They're not selling inside of Japan either. Dr. Kawashima has a bridge to sell you though. But only if you identify which one of these words is not like the other. Here, have a minigame.

And therein is your problem. You're defending a trendy system. A system that's trendy among the type of people who have no interest in stuff like Fatal Frame. I can guarantee it'll sell even less copies than the PS2/Xbox Crimson Butterfly releases. Just like Madden 08. And yet, those of us who DO want to buy it are fucked. All we can hope for is a PS2 release of it so we don't have to deal with a motherfucking waggle wand.

Could you take your graphics whoring Sony fanboy attitudes and shove it up your ass for a while?  I mean Nintendo succeeding in utterly bitchslapping both the PSP and the PS3 has already made you so freakin butthurt it should slide in easily.

But since you won't give it a rest, let's look at facts.

Fact 1: HI DEF DOES NOT MAKE FOR BETTER GAMES.  Prettier and sharper does not mean more fun.  Mechwarrior 4 was fun as fuck at 800 by 600 on a 15" screen.  1280 res on a 24" did not magically make it fucking better.  Stop jerking off high def like its some goddamned savior of gaming.  ITS MORE FUCKING PIXELS ON SCREEN.  Hasn't graphics resolution continually upped over the years?  Atari 2600 had less than the systems afterwards and so on.  Its just TV sets finally hit a point they couldn't show any more pixels. 

Fact 2: NINTENDO BEAT SONY. GET OVER IT.  Overly expensive systems with half ass controllers and multiple purposes that LESSEN THE MACHINES FROM BEING GOOD GAME SYSTEMS do not win.  Long load times on the PSP and the sheer price of Blu Ray fucked them from the start.  Nintendo made BETTER FUN MACHINES.  The technical specs are lower, but the games are better. 

Fact 3: THERE ARE PLENTY OF FUCKING GAMES TO GO AROUND.  NEWBIE FRIENDLY WILL NOT KILL GAMING.  I would say shit like Madden, Halo, and GTA are far more dangerous to gaming than a system designed to bring everyone into gaming.  You know what you sound like dude?  The faggots who play Warhammer 40K and insult any of the prepainted miniatures games coming out, afraid that PLAYING GAMES FOR FUN will ruin their little elitist snob paradise because now people can make pew pew with their toy soldiers without having to spend months gluing and painting the bastards.  Who usually have less fucking skulls on their armor.  (Man AT43 is cool.) With a wide variety of people coming to the Wii, maybe more niche titles will be released as opposed to the current GTA/SPORTS/FPS bullshit.  Id love more quality turn based games.  You aren't gonna see many on the PS3 or 360 outside of digital download stuff.  Sure, there will be a few Weeaboo releases with the 900 year old barely dressed daemonesses who look 10 to have porno comics drawn of them, but not too many games like X Com, Heroes of Might & Magic, Master of Orion, or that sort.  Wii development is cheap enough to do this as a retail SKU.

Fact 4: WE GO OVER THIS EVERY FEW WEEKS WITH YOU AND ITS GETTING OLD.  I seriously feel like a dick yelling at you, but you seem to be 50 pounds of wrong in a 5 pound bag, spilling your wrong all over the place.  I give you credit for not having a banninating FUCK YOU NINTENDO DICKS meltdown and all, but damn dude!  I almost wonder if its all just an intentional gimmick to get discussions going! 

[Margalis]

I thought the Dreamcast was better than the PS2 yet the PS2 won. I got over it.

[Triforcer]

Nobody has to get over anything on the Internet.  We're all just one-dimensional stereotypes- that's how we've survived in this community for so long.

[sigil]

I stopped posting in these threads to avoid popping an artery like Jain just did up there ;)

[schild]

I thought the Dreamcast was better than the PS2 yet the PS2 won. I got over it.

I agree, but by the end of the PS2 lifecycle, it had the best library in the history of gaming. Nintendo is going to have trouble keeping ahead of the combined might of the PS3/360 combo in terms of AAA titles though. The aforementioned Fatal Frame is not a AAA game. But actual third party (not Ninty, Sony or MS) AAA games will be 360/PS3 titles. The attachment rates are higher, the number of gamers who buy AAA games is higher, and the number of companies WHO WANT to chase the shiny is higher. The Nintendo isn't capable of winning like the PS2 was because no developers have the balls to challenge Nintendo themselves on AAA games. Capcom is throwing them a bone with Zack & Wiki, but the PS360 combo is getting Dead Rising 2, any new fighting games, the real Resident Evil titles, etc.

Ironically, one title that I would've like to see on the Wii, Echochrome, is going to the PS3. Granted, Sony bought that guy.

Anyway, Jain Zar doesn't get it. Nintendo's third party support is still dick. Particularly in the AAA title area, and no one is buying actual Wii games. They're all buying the minigame collection. I would bet Fatal Frame would sell better on the PS3 than the Wii, but it's a bet that will never come to fruition. Fatal Frame isn't that big of a series :(. But then, neither is Disgaea, and that's going to the PS3, so you never know. N1 owes Sony though, heh.

Oh, right. Persona 4 and Shin Megami Tensei 4 is PS3 also. Oh, so is Makai Wars. Not to mention that every MAJOR SRPG portable title has gone to the PSP.

Here's the reality of it Jain, Sony's going to fucking force feed the hardcore gamers, and they NEED TO this time and I get that. Nintendo is sitting on a fucking mountain looking down and laughing. Unfortunately, that mountain is made of PS2s. Not to mention Nintendo will never have a title that will sell like Halo 3 or a next-gen Madden/big sports title.

That is to say, yea, I'm fucking pissed when Nintendo wins the small victories like Fatal Frame. Even then, it's a system that shouldn't have gotten it. Less hardcore gamers means less attach numbers which means less continuation of loved series. In the long run, it hurts people like me. Grandma isn't buying Fatal Frame. Neither is your mother. Or sister. And that sucks my balls.

Also, and you fucking know this, a hi-def well designed game is more fun than the same game in low-def. That's the fucking reality of it. I'm willing to play at any resolution. I love that the PSP2 outputs to a fucking TV.

So here's where we are. Nintendo won't beat Sony until PS2 sales die off. That's not going to happen until the PS3 hits sub $300. And at that point, there's going to be enough wacky 3rd party titles that Microsoft and Sony will be stomping all over Nintendo's dick. Around that same time, Nintendo will probably come out with another system. Which, ironically, will probably just be hit with a lot of cross platform shit.

The Wii exists because Nintendo couldn't AFFORD to compete on the hi-def arena due to shit poor Gamecube sales. And they've always done a good job of letting the handheld market fund the handheld market. It's been quite a seperation ever since the gameboy days.

Also, you're never going to get your XCom's and Masters of Orion games again. You're gonna have to deal with hot 900 year old demonesses. So fucking cope.

Overly expensive systems with half ass controllers and multiple purposes that LESSEN THE MACHINES FROM BEING GOOD GAME SYSTEMS do not win.

You mean like the PS2?

[Fabricated]

Fact 2: NINTENDO BEAT SONY. GET OVER IT.  Overly expensive systems with half ass controllers and multiple purposes that LESSEN THE MACHINES FROM BEING GOOD GAME SYSTEMS do not win.  Long load times on the PSP and the sheer price of Blu Ray fucked them from the start.  Nintendo made BETTER FUN MACHINES.  The technical specs are lower, but the games are better.

what

[Calantus]

I think "They've Now Invaded My Motherfucking" should be the new internet meme.

Nintendo needs to stop invading schild when he is motherfucking.

[sigil]

I think "They've Now Invaded My Motherfucking" should be the new internet meme.

Nintendo needs to stop invading schild when he is motherfucking.

As long as it's someone elses mother, I'm fine with it.

[Strazos]

Oh, right. Persona 4 and Shin Megami Tensei 4 is PS3 also.

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK


...Damnit.

[UnSub]

Fact 2: NINTENDO BEAT SONY. GET OVER IT.  Overly expensive systems with half ass controllers and multiple purposes that LESSEN THE MACHINES FROM BEING GOOD GAME SYSTEMS do not win.  Long load times on the PSP and the sheer price of Blu Ray fucked them from the start.  Nintendo made BETTER FUN MACHINES.  The technical specs are lower, but the games are better.

what

I agree with the '' over that. The Wii has old more PS3s, but that's one tiny part of a bigger picture. The PS2 is still immensely profitable for Sony and the theory is that while this is still the case, there is no reason to really drive PS3 sales. Especially if that would hurt PS2 sales. So Sony puts out the PS3, lets developers get used to its development tools and throws the first punch in the next-gen DVD market.

Here are the questions that keeps Wii development studios up at night: are all those casual non-gamers who picked up a Wii because it was fun to wave the Wiimote around going to go out and buy more games? And games of a different type? Are those party game players actually going to go out and buy an RTS, an X-Com clone, a HOMM clone etc? If they do buy more games, how many games are they going to buy? And are they simply going out to get the next Nintendo first party release of Nintendogs: Revenge of the Nintendogs, or are they going to buy a third party game like Fatal Frame?

But this is all premature. It's going to take 3 - 5 years for the dust to settle and to see how all this falls out. Nintendo hasn't beaten Sony by a long way at this point, but it has probably landed a few decent body blows. And Microsoft continues to make up big strides.

[Trippy]

I agree with the '' over that. The Wii has old more PS3s, but that's one tiny part of a bigger picture. The PS2 is still immensely profitable for Sony and the theory is that while this is still the case, there is no reason to really drive PS3 sales. Especially if that would hurt PS2 sales. So Sony puts out the PS3, lets developers get used to its development tools and throws the first punch in the next-gen DVD market.

That would work if the Xbox 360 didn't exist.

[Trippy]

This should be a podcast.

Crossfire - f13.net edition

[UnSub]

I agree with the '' over that. The Wii has old more PS3s, but that's one tiny part of a bigger picture. The PS2 is still immensely profitable for Sony and the theory is that while this is still the case, there is no reason to really drive PS3 sales. Especially if that would hurt PS2 sales. So Sony puts out the PS3, lets developers get used to its development tools and throws the first punch in the next-gen DVD market.

That would work if the Xbox 360 didn't exist.

I don't think the reality of what happened with the PS3 met with Sony's expectations. But the PS3 doesn't have the games yet to take it to MS, so they are sticking to it for now.

Unless you meant that MS had the Xbox to consider when launching the Xbox 360. In that case, I think they went about it the right way - dropping support for the old and suggesting everyone move to the new. Which worked because the PS3 wasn't worth waiting for and the Wii could work nicely as a secondary console, or not be bought at all.

[Azazel]

Ahh.. time for a post of reiteration of shit I've said before.

I have a Wii. I like fake bowling. I like minigames. No, I haven't actually turned it on in about 6 months. I'm waiting for Mario Strikers and Mario Party to hit an EBgames sale, then I'll buy 'em. I'm not interested in struggling through anything that requires a real controller to play I certainly won't bother buying on the Wii.

I have a PS2 (two in fact). The one in the lounge only gets turned on for Guitar Hero. I haven't bothered with other console games in months. The one in the bedroom is basically a backup, and has never been used for gaming sine I got it over Christmas.

I have an X-Box (two in fact). The gamng one hasn't been turned on for longer then the Wii. The Media Centre gets used all the time. Best. Investment. Evar.

I don't have a 360. I'd probably buy one when I feel safe that red-ring-a-rosie is a thing of the past. And when it gets a fair bit cheaper, too. Since the games are just the same shit, only shinier.

I don't have a PS3. I'll buy one eventually, when the price drops to a fraction of what it costs now. Since the games are just the same shit, only shinier. Blu-Ray can generally go fuck itself.


For Jain Zar~
I haven't played AT-43 yet, but my own objections to their pre-painted figures is that they aren't nearly as good quality as Rackham's metal sculpts, nor are they of as good quality as GW's plastics. The paintjobs or pre-paintedness I have no inherent problem with, but their prices make them more expensive (and in some cases significantly more so) than GW's figures. While I have no objections to others using their paintjobs, they're not something I'd use when I can knock up something better in a day. If they were cheaper I'd gladly give them a shot, using their prepaints as base coat. Probably.

Also, the Wii hasn't beaten Sony. This round of console wars has barely begun, and Ninty said from the start that they were playing a different game this time.

Also, I hate it when things invade My Motherfucking.

[Trippy]

What I meant was Sony can not not try and drive PS3 sales as you implied when it has the Xbox 360 as competition. Publishers have already committed one way or another for the current crop of games in development but you can bet that the next time that decision has to be made they'll be looking very closely at installed base numbers and hardware sales trends to decide which platform to develop their next big titles for (assuming it isn't already a cross-platform title).

[HAMMER FRENZY]

Wow this thread is out of fucking control.

[Velorath]

If you ain't out of control, you ain't in control.

[rk47]

^_^ i will try to spread the motherfucking  :-D it's so catchy

[HAMMER FRENZY]

memes seem to be a living thing some times... like the more you try to make on catch on, the less possible it will be for it to become staple...

[squirrel]

Anything that brings back the hate has my vote.


Which means um, nothing.

HATE!

[stray]

I'm out of hate. I just hope everyone gets a nice set of choices, no matter what platform they like. Getting shafted out of specific titles isn't as big of a deal so much as having little representation in entire game genres. It sucks if you have a console that lacks, say, a solid fighter or racing sim, or some decent platformers, or a good online shooter. That sucked about the failed platforms of the past, and it'll suck if it happens to anyone these days too.

[squirrel]

I'm out of hate. I just hope everyone gets a nice set of choices, no matter what platform they like. Getting shafted out of specific titles isn't as big of a deal so much as having little representation in entire game genres. It sucks if you have a console that lacks, say, a solid fighter or racing sim, or some decent platformers, or a good online shooter. That sucked about the failed platforms of the past, and it'll suck if it happens to anyone these days too.

No no. Reread your post. You're full of hate. You're just tired.