BioShock [SPOILERS INSIDE: ENTER AT OWN RISK]

[schild]

Discussion after you've beaten the game. If you scroll past this post and fuck yourself, it's not my fault.

[Miasma]

Only being able to play it an hour or so at a time I'm far from finished but the other thread was getting into spoiler territory so I'm continuing the little sister discussion here...

I don't think you should "harvest" the little sisters because the very first one noticed you were still breathing and let you live, she could have just gone ahead anyway but she didn't want to kill you.

[sigil]

Current point in game: Fishmarket - Upper Wharf, have camera.


Dear God this is creeping me out. Thanks to some asshat posting on the T2k Board, I found out before the  tape that you come from Rapture, or were born to parents who were from there. I know the Tattoos mean something, but  I haven't figured it out. Especially creepy, to me at least, was Slicers singing "Jesus Loves me". I went to Elementary school  at a Christian school, the ones that have the Christian flag flying with the American flag. That was the first song we were ever taught to sing. Hearing it from a group of five ear olds is sweet, if not a little unnerving. To hear it from  a group of sick twisted shells of human beings cowering in rancid filth. . .  it was mercy to launch a grenade into the group and blow them all to kingdom come.

Atlas is talking to me, but I don't trust him at all. I don't trust Tannenbaum, either, but I made the mistake of  rescuing a Little Sister and now I can't kill them. I Probably would trust Ryan more, because he thinks I'm a spy. At least I know he hates me.

I pity the person who doesn't listen to the tapes in this game.

I love Hacking.

[rattran]

I was a bit disappointed in that the creepiness didn't seem to extend through the whole game. The medical level had a good feel, but once you get to Sandor, it seemed to become much more 'run & gun'

Plus, shrinking the view even further, and adding a distort from the Big Daddy helmet sucked. I had to stop for a while as I was having bits of motion sickness.

I got the 'good' end, does harvesting the sisters give much more Adam than saving them? 80 each + 200 bonus every 3 seemed enough to buy most things I wanted.

[Fabricated]

I'm a bit into medical, and boy are melee splicers wimpy and easy to kill. The gunners are pretty accurate and get 2-3 hits for free unless you really get a jump on them.

I despise jump scares so I play this game like a total pussy. I hack every camera and turret in sight, then piss off splicers and lead them back to my ring of death.

Edit: Also, for some reason the retail version runs worse than the demo. God only knows why.

[Trippy]

Edit: Also, for some reason the retail version runs worse than the demo. God only knows why.

How much RAM does your PC have?

[rattran]

Don't neglect the camera. I decided to play again, for the 'evil' ending, and see how well 'research' worked. Good god, I seem to be doing double damage to most stuff (including Rosie!) and turrets can be hacked without the now tedious minigame.

In short, act like a Tourist, and photo everything you can, as often as you can. Then all you need is a wrench.

[Fabricated]

Edit: Also, for some reason the retail version runs worse than the demo. God only knows why.

How much RAM does your PC have?

2 gigs.

[LK]

Beat the game finally, got the good ending.  Kinda nice ending but ... god damn.  Pretty short I think.  60 seconds of high drama.

Need to see how the evil ending pays out.

[Huevos]

me and my friend started yesterday about 2pm and played through aprox 9 to 10 hours.  he was on easy mode saving the little girls, i was on medium killing them.  he beat the game in about 9 hours; i had a few crashes due to my non retail video card (wasn't game related crashes, get the same issue in war3) got through 5/8 of the sections.  other than that, the game ran flawlessly.  no lag on the highest settings and it only hitched maybe a few times in hours of gameplay. what impressed me more than anything with this game was that in 10 hours of gameplay, the game didn't bug out or crash once for him- on a laptop. 

one gripe i have is the difficulty difference in easy to medium is rediculous; he would stand in front of 4 or 5 guys and maybe use 1 health pack whereas i could lose 3/4 of my life from a single opponent if i wasn't paying attention and they got the drop on me.

the good ending was okay, but i'm not sure anything would be good enough after that awesome ass end fight.  have yet to see the evil ending, things go slow with my icy wrench and camera =)

[LK]

me and my friend started yesterday about 2pm and played through aprox 9 to 10 hours.  he was on easy mode saving the little girls, i was on medium killing them.  he beat the game in about 9 hours; i had a few crashes due to my non retail video card (wasn't game related crashes, get the same issue in war3) got through 5/8 of the sections.  other than that, the game ran flawlessly.  no lag on the highest settings and it only hitched maybe a few times in hours of gameplay. what impressed me more than anything with this game was that in 10 hours of gameplay, the game didn't bug out or crash once for him- on a laptop. 

one gripe i have is the difficulty difference in easy to medium is rediculous; he would stand in front of 4 or 5 guys and maybe use 1 health pack whereas i could lose 3/4 of my life from a single opponent if i wasn't paying attention and they got the drop on me.

the good ending was okay, but i'm not sure anything would be good enough after that awesome ass end fight.  have yet to see the evil ending, things go slow with my icy wrench and camera =)

Icy Blast + Shotgun = Dominate.
I also want to see how stealth assassin (All Wrench Buffs + All Wrench Sneaking) works out, might be necessary on Hard.  All I know is loot off enemies isn't important.  On Normal I was stocked on all ammo types all the time.  The end boss fight was cake because I just nuked him with grenades in all three  phases.  I see when it's best to use grenades, but still, cake.

Have to see how it is on Hard.  Is there a 4th difficult setting? I can stand playing through a second time but a third might be a bit much.

[lesion]

I wish beating hard unlocked something more difficult. while it's certainly not cakewalk by the last third of the game the ass-kickery available made it pretty easy.

[Comstar]

I got the evil ending, but I'd saved nearly all the girls...except 2. And that was pressing the wrong mouse key in the dark. Doh.

Is there only 2 endings? One where you save every girl, and one where even taking one is enough to be evil?

The final fight isn't that hard on medium, if you have max grenades/heat seekers, and/or maxed out chem thrower.

I'll need to go through on hard as the first person sneaker with the wrench.

[schild]

I'll need to go through on hard as the first person sneaker with the wrench.

Impossible, the computer sees you before you can sneak up on them, the game cheats like that because it's not a sneaker.

[Trippy]

If their back is turned you can often hit them before they turn around. However given the very linear and narrow maps it can be hard to impossible get them in that position.

[lesion]

I find it's pretty easy to sneak up on things while crouching, even without stealth tonics. and then I can enjoy the ever so perverse pleasure of Shockémon Snap!

[sigil]

I got the evil ending, but I'd saved nearly all the girls...except 2. And that was pressing the wrong mouse key in the dark. Doh.

Is there only 2 endings? One where you save every girl, and one where even taking one is enough to be evil?

The final fight isn't that hard on medium, if you have max grenades/heat seekers, and/or maxed out chem thrower.

I'll need to go through on hard as the first person sneaker with the wrench.

I killed one and got the good ending.

[Ironwood]

Many times I wondered to myself, "Wait, why the fuck am I doing this when I clearly know that something's 'not right' ?"

The Ryan reveal was perfectly done and really gave the player an excuse for 'find the key, walk this corridor, find the other key' on rails type gameplay that you pretty much had to suffer.  It was the Rip Off of Shodan but with a much much more subtle message.

Clever.

There was no illusion of choice, save in the way that you handled the Little Sisters.  And, once you find Tennenbaums Creche, I simply couldn't kill another one.  Thank Christ I'd bought most of my plasmids by then.  :)

[Riggswolfe]

Beat it, got the good ending as well. Being the kind of pussy I am there's no way in hell I can replay and do the evil ending. Not with kids. *sighs*

I do wonder though, how the post-Ryan game plays if you're evil. Do you still wake up in the creche with the girls all being helpful? That wouldn't make any sense.

I also felt like a heel because I went through like 3 of the girls during the big daddy escort part. Sometimes it was just too difficult to keep them alive. If there's any part of the game I'd like to replay and get perfect it's that one.

[Ironwood]

I do wonder though, how the post-Ryan game plays if you're evil. Do you still wake up in the creche with the girls all being helpful? That wouldn't make any sense.

Yes.  Yes, you do.   

However, it was that point that I couldn't do it anymore.  Nor, probably, could I on a replay. 

As to the rationale :  Tenenbaum wants rid of Fontaine, no matter the cost.  If that's some nutball who's been hacking up children, so be it.  Bear in mind her history is just as checkered.

[Kitsune]

I also felt like a heel because I went through like 3 of the girls during the big daddy escort part. Sometimes it was just too difficult to keep them alive. If there's any part of the game I'd like to replay and get perfect it's that one.

Hacking the turrets in the area and laying down a couple proximity mines is a big help for that spot.

[JWIV]

I also felt like a heel because I went through like 3 of the girls during the big daddy escort part. Sometimes it was just too difficult to keep them alive. If there's any part of the game I'd like to replay and get perfect it's that one.

Hacking the turrets in the area and laying down a couple proximity mines is a big help for that spot.

I couldn't imagine not hacking the area to hell and back.   Turrets, pet security copters, and the alarm system went a long way for me.  Even with the help it still took more than a few save/reloads to get through it. 

[Riggswolfe]

I did hack the turrets. It never occured to me to lay down a proximity mine. Do you get an achievement for not letting any of them die?

[Ironwood]

Apparently if you photo turrets enough, you auto hack them when you try.

Shit.

I never use that fucking camera...

[LK]

No.  Don't worry about any achievement with that section of the game.

Edit: I made it the first time through.  If you've fully researched your foes, have the Plasmids for damage bonus, and on the first section use the Crossbow, Proximity Mines on the second, and Proximity mine the far passage while using the Chemical Thrower, Shotgun, or any other fast kill combination for the ones that pop right in front of her, you're good.

Save your frags and Heat-seekers for the last Big Daddy.  You can and will be able to fully restock your equipment at this point right after him, so just go hog wild on him and take him out.

[Miasma]

Apparently if you photo turrets enough, you auto hack them when you try.

Shit.

I never use that fucking camera...

After taking pictures of enough Houdinis I automatically turn invisible while standing still.

[LK]

Apparently if you photo turrets enough, you auto hack them when you try.

Shit.

I never use that fucking camera...

After taking pictures of enough Houdini's I automatically turn invisible while standing still.

I forgot how I got that Plasmid, but if that's the case, then I'll remember that for my Hard playthrough.  But yeah, Chameleon is pretty much the single most-abusive Plasmid in the entire game. Ambush? No problem.  Security Bots? Pshaw.

Then again enemy sight radius is shit even when they can see you.  The AI was a huge disappointment in some areas like luring guys over to you or having them do anything more complicated than rush or find a health station when low on health.

[Kitsune]

Apparently if you photo turrets enough, you auto hack them when you try.

Shit.

I never use that fucking camera...

Aw, man.  You missed out on a TON of bonuses by not using the camera.  On top of doing bonus damage to researched foes, which is awesome in and of itself, you gain abilities from research.  Researching Little Sisters gives you a bonus to health and eve, researching Bouncers gives you extra melee damage, researching splicers gives you free tonics, researching turrets, bots, and cameras gives you hacking bonuses.  The research camera is freaking sweet, use it and love it.

[trias_e]

I got the evil ending because I harvested the first two I came across.  I rescued all the rest.  And maybe because 3 of the girls died at the last level.

And the evil ending sucks ass.  I was pretty pissed off, because I figured I'd get the good ending.  I didn't feel like I played through as a bad guy, and in the end it's like 'you are a sociopathic world ending maniac'.  WTF?

[UnSub]

Apparently if you photo turrets enough, you auto hack them when you try.

Shit.

I never use that fucking camera...

Aw, man.  You missed out on a TON of bonuses by not using the camera.  On top of doing bonus damage to researched foes, which is awesome in and of itself, you gain abilities from research.  Researching Little Sisters gives you a bonus to health and eve, researching Bouncers gives you extra melee damage, researching splicers gives you free tonics, researching turrets, bots, and cameras gives you hacking bonuses.  The research camera is freaking sweet, use it and love it.

The camera became my default weapon after I got it. I take a lot more damage, but it's worth it for all the extras.

On the downside, the constant fuzzy focusing is giving me eyestrain.

[Velorath]

I didn't really use the camera much until near the end when I was in the Big Daddy suit.  Since none of the enemies attack you, it's the perfect time to take pictures or backtrack and look for anything you might need to complete any achievements you missed.

[lesion]

whaaaat

the best time to snap pictures it is when something with nasty hooks is about to rip open your face, and for just a moment everything is serene and sepia (A - ding ding shwaa...discovery!)

then it all snaps back and you're firing a machinegun frantically while retreating, looking around for some kind of environmental doohickey that'll enhance your killination of this beautiful specimen. shocko!

[Kitsune]

If you wait until you're in the suit, the game's already over and you missed out on lots of playtime with the research bonuses, not cool!

[Velorath]

If you wait until you're in the suit, the game's already over and you missed out on lots of playtime with the research bonuses, not cool!

I know.  I was saying mostly from an achievment standpoint (if you have a 360 and are into that sort of thing) if you want to get everything fully researched.  Of course the game is easy enough, on Medium anyway, that I didn't need any research bonuses.  If I play through it on hard somewhere down the line, I'd probably spend more time taking pictures.

[lesion]

promise you'll do it with gusto? or verve. ?!