Quantum of Solace

[Rishathra]

In defense of a still silly plot, they weren't just trying to get a water monopoly over Bolivian farmers.  Bolivia was just the point of the operation that Bond happened to expose.  The general idea was to get control of water supplies all over, not just that one place.

[Xuri]

I went to the cinema today to get entertained, and I did. That's all that matters to me. It could've been a plot about turning the moon into a gigantic cheese-factory and I might still have enjoyed it. Stop overanalyzing, already.

[Endie]

In defense of a still silly plot, they weren't just trying to get a water monopoly over Bolivian farmers.  Bolivia was just the point of the operation that Bond happened to expose.  The general idea was to get control of water supplies all over, not just that one place.

There was no clue to that.  They just said "what is needed worldwide?  Water."  There was no hint as to how they were going to stop it raining like a motherfucker in Scotland.

If the big reveal in the new film is that they have a way of stopping rain worldwide, which is what it would take, then it will be the Worst Plot Ever.  It would go down the Avengers (Sean Connery version) route and make Moonraker seem grittily realistic.

[Ironwood]

Were the Quantum Group able to achieve such an end, I'd mail a cheque.

Seriously, who do I make it out to ?

[Venkman]

In defense of a still silly plot, they weren't just trying to get a water monopoly over Bolivian farmers.  Bolivia was just the point of the operation that Bond happened to expose.  The general idea was to get control of water supplies all over, not just that one place.

There was no clue to that.  They just said "what is needed worldwide?  Water."  There was no hint as to how they were going to stop it raining like a motherfucker in Scotland.

Just saw it. Avoided this thread until then. There was plenty of hints about this (particularly in the MI6 briefings with that cool Microsoft Surface thing). It's kind of like that Michael Crichton book about anti-global warming. If global warming isn't happening fast enough for you to get rich off of it, make it happen to hasten the pace of the money. I imagine the next movie will feature some high tech stuff in the pacific and masers from orbit and whatnot. And even if it's not, they seemed to go to lengths to make the point about the water supply anyway. It was almost like a product integration strategy for Al Gore. My guess is either they cause the global warming that gives them the monopoly on potable water, or they're just planning ahead.

This isn't the old Bond. The complaints I skimmed on page 2 I suspect will transport over to the pending Star Trek rants about how things just aren't done. The shaky cam here to me felt more like an intended divergence from Bond, to try and get to Bourne on purpose. If I was the Bond IP holder, I'd also be wondering why this upstart not-a-spy was upstaging my decades old franchise.

It was fun, the fight scenes looked realistic, and the personalities believable. Remember, this was a character reset. Bond was a "new" agent in the the last film which timeline-wise just preceded this one. The only thing that annoyed me is that Dominic Greene really should have been Gary Oldman.

[UnSub]

I hadn't bothered to see this film given the luke-warm reception, but did get around to it last week. It was a lot better than its reputation. The villain was a bit lame, but overall it felt like a solid continuation of the Craig Bond.

[Azazel]

Yeah, it's hardly brilliant, but it's a decent Bond flick.

[Tannhauser]

He was a wrecking machine almost thru the whole movie because of an incident in the first movie.  I think that hurt the film because of his obsession.  But not a bad JB film at all.

Hopefully he'll get back to being James Bond. 

[K9]

I still say Idris Elba would make an awesome James Bond.

[Ironwood]

Like +1

[Khaldun]

It's the shaky cam that really fucked this one, I think, not the plot (which is actually closer to real life than most people think.)

[Tannhauser]

Well they had to gritty up Bond after Jason Bourne came in and stole the genre from him, shoved a rolled up magazine down his throat and tossed his body into the river.

[NowhereMan]

Actually I think the rapid cuts did more to destroy the film than the shaky cam. I could have handled the shaky cam in the couple of seconds it took me to make sense of the scene they had switched to a different camera shot and I'd have to start over. So most actions scenes were just a jumble of blurry images I would barely have time to figure out who was who before suddenly the camera was looking at them from above and I had to figure out which black blob was which by which time the camera was now facing them and I could see one guy's back, etc., etc. It really killed the fight scenes and most of the chase scenes and that was a pity because the rest of the film held well enough together for me to enjoy if the action scenes had been good. I mean water theft is hardly fucking exciting by itself but as long as it's providing a semi-plausible basis for ass-kicking, making out with hot girls and general mayhem it's fine.

[Murgos]

Well they had to gritty up Bond after Jason Bourne came in and stole the genre from him, shoved a rolled up magazine down his throat and tossed his body into the river.

See, and here I was thinking he Bourne movies were pretty much ass.

[HaemishM]

The Bourne movies were directorially ass, but the stories were ok. Quantam of Solace was decent right up until the final set piece which was down's syndrome retarded in the extreme.