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What is it about twitter that seems to confuse these people? Is it some kind of illusion of just having a conversation or something? Bob Summerwill - a Senior Software Engineer at EA has just broadcast to the world that the Wii U is crap and that is why EA has no games in development for it. Besides their offerings on Nintendo have always sold poorly apparently. He claims the only thing that sells well on Nintendo consoles is Mario . http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/05/17/ea-senior-engineer-the-wii-u-is-crap. Now taking bets on how long he lasts at EA.

In other news, Nintendo is saying "where's mine" to you tube let's players who make money off their feeds.
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2013/05/16/nintendo-enforces-copyright-on-youtube-lets-plays41

Quote from the comments is rather spot-on:

I guess that's why they call it Twitter, cause it's used by Twits.

Let me fix that for you.

Hey, it's the press. What do you expect?

I have no idea who Adam Orth is (was?), or why I should care.

They forgot to mention that Zelda games also sell well on Nintendo.

Let's face it, Link and Mario are the only real reason Nintendo has lasted this long.

After the Gamecube, which was on par with the rival consoles, Nintendo began failing seriously hard.

The Wii was barely better than the GCN, graphics wise. And the whole Motion Controls thing was a good gimmick until Sony rolled out Move and Micro$soft Kinect.

The WiiU was destined to failure from the beginning. This is supposed to be a next gen console, but the graphics are on par with the PS3 and 360(which are the same generation as the Wii), and though they finally have game DLC, it mostly requires buying an external hard drive(which is around $80) separate to the console, which is $300-$400 for a span of 8-32gb of internal flash storage.

Not to mention the enormous controller on the WiiU is ridiculous and probably expensive to replace. Not to mention it may have been ripped off from an April Fool's Day prank about the "WiiDS" being announced a couple years back.

To end my rant, I'll finish by saying that Nintendo is a dying animal that needs to be put out of its misery. Sony or Micro$soft should just buy them out and release all their games for the PS3/4 and the 360/720.(An enhanced port of Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn would look fucking epic on the PS3.)

He's the guy who said that the new Xbox will be always online and anyone who doesn't like it should just "deal with it". After someone questioned it and said "what about smaller cities without well established broadband?" - "why would I want to live there?"

Something Micro$oft has denied, btw. Shame it couldn't be a bit sooner.

One guy on Youtube axed his X-Box 360 to make a statement about how he felt about it.

Nintendo probably has enough money to eat a failed major console. Which is a shame really.

Also literally nothing that guy said was wrong. WiiU is bad, almost no one but Nintendo makes money from Nintendo's non-handheld consoles, every other market and platform is more worthwhile than WiiU.

Social media is probably not the place to proclaim that though.

Fuck that loser.  :oh_i_see:

Fuck Nintendo and Fuck EA. Oh and for good measure, fuck the gaming press. I think that about covers this topic.

The guy was dumb to say it publicly and will probably be unemployed soon. However, what he said was true. Nintendo has Metroid, Zelda, and Mario. That's it. My Wii gathers dust while my 360 and PS3 get used a lot. (though to be fair I use them more for generic entertainment (Netflix, Blu Rays) than games.

I guess what I'm most interested in is whether he nuked the stuff from his feed quickly enough to keep his job or not. Doesn't help that the slimeball press used screenshots.

:oh_i_see:

Really? Are you intending to imply with that childish use of a $ sign that you think that Microsoft are a business that tries to make money and that this is something evil? Because that's kind of how businesses work son.

One could only guess at how they spell Apple or Oracle!

Does Microsoft really need 2 upstanding White Knights?

Nayr, I don't know you so I'll be nice. Stop talking like a goddamned idiot.

Do NOT click on the ME3 thread then.   :awesome_for_real:

Anyone else find it INSANELY ironic that a person who works for EA, of all companies, appearantly as a Senior Software Engineer, of all positions, had this gem to direct at Nintendo:

(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/05/wiiu3.jpg)

Just make great games indeed.  Coming from EA.  My brain just about exploded. 

I'm not white-knighting Microsoft, I'm berating juvenility.

Edit: I know that's not a real word.  :grin:

One thing to bear in mind here, I don't know what a 'senior software engineer' actually is in context at EA, but I would guess it is just a moderately experienced code monkey on about $50-70k.

EDIT: The internet seems to suggest a little north of $100k.

/shrug

₳₱₱£€ and Or₳¢£€

Doesn't matter.  People need to learn that what they say publicly, with their company touted proudly in their sig, is going to get them fired if it generates bad press.  I don't know why that's a hard lesson to learn but it keeps happening.  You want to spew shit, do it without the company tag or keep your mouth shut. 

I don't see what the big deal is or why he whould be fired.  His posts ignore Nintendo's wildly successful last console so statements like "they're still acting like it's 1990" make no sense but if everyone who said something wrong on twitter got fired - well, I'd actually be really happy because it would end twitter itself.

Look, if you work at any position at any company you have to conduct yourself in a professional manner.

You are not allowed to badmouth customers or competitors, disclose sensitive company info or behave in ways that could make your company look bad, leave them open to law suits or might harm it financially.

This should be common sense but is also a standard part of every damn employment contract everywhere.

So no one should be sad or surprised if that guy get's fired. He might have told the truth or he might just have engaged in a pissing match with an angry gamer on twitter doesn't matter. He just went and disclosed a part of the internal business strategy of his employer on a fucking public medium which could cause his company all kinds of financial, legal and pr troubles. Even if it wasn't true and he just pulled that out of his ass itmight still cause EA to feel all kinds of real repercussions.

You might not like EA and its business practices but you simply don't do that. Especially if you write your fucking job description all over your verbal diarrhea as if it was a medal of honor or OBE.

Anyone stupid enough to do that deserves to be fired.

This is all fine, and the guy certainly needs to realise that idiots will go nuts if you do this and you might get fired.

But some posts here seem to be enjoying making this more than it is. And most people here are old enough to know better.

He should've posted this little screed against Nintendo right before the Wii came out when everyone was hating on it.

We all know the Wii U sucks, he didn't have to say anything.

Don't see what's idiotic about pointing out that Nintendo has failed as a console developer.(I'm not the only one doing it either)

Pretty much the only console I like anymore is the PS3(but even that has its limits). X-Box 360 is junk IMO.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39720/animated%20gifs/SEpCU.gif)

The best selling current gen console is the Nintendo Wii.  The only console you like is stuck in third place.  You don't get to call the number one console maker a failure.  So let's look a the rankings as per you.

#1) Nintendo Wii - "Failure"
#2) Xbox 360 - "Junk"
#3) PS3 - "Like"

Nintendo also makes far and away the most popular hand held system(s).

I don't own any Nintendo stuff and don't plan to but that doesn't make them "failures".

Nayr has to be someone's sockpuppet, right, RIGHT?  :ye_gods:

Take my money!

Although, I"ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the 3DS, Nintendo's consoles just...well...they do suck. The only two game franchises Nintendo has that I can be bothered with are Fire Emblem and Metroid. When the WillU (good lord, these names) hits about $100 (shouldn't be too long at the present rate of decay) I might pick one up--mainly to see the Wii versions of the above mentioned games--it sure as hell isn't because of their present library of W-U games. 

Your use of this gif impresses my daughter. (She explained what gifs are to me, not realizing that they didn't originate in the past couple of years on Tumblr).

However, does that really come down to them making good "systems", or to them making good games FOR those systems.   If the game is insanely popular, but the only place you can get it is on a system that is sub par, this will by default make the system as popular as the game, even if there are better systems out there.

I like Nintendo's handhelds. They're (usually) sturdy, they're not terribly underpowered, are usually pretty affordable, and they're designed to do one thing really really well: play games.

I even own far more third-party software for my GBA and my DS than Nintendo first-party stuff.

Third party support has always been best on Nintendo handhelds, compared to Sony's. Which is, ironically, where Nintendo does the worst in their home consoles.

I disagree with what you said, due to the circumstances.

If this guy had ranted to a journalist, or written an editorial, or said this in any sort of on-soapbox professional way, I'd have to agree with you. This was the dude's private Twitter feed.*

This is not journalism and it's not muckracking. It's paparazzi. It's the equivalent of eavesdropping on someone talking to his close friends at a restaurant purely for the purpose of finding something damning to put on the front page. It's not news - it's done purely for the purpose of ruining someone's life.

It is malicious.

It is petty.

And I am weary of it.


* Invoke not "his settings should have been tighter," for that is the "she shouldn't have worn that dress" argument of online privacy debates. Don't be that guy.

You're weary of folks going after people for saying hilariously stupid shit?

Really?

See: f13.

Edit: To be fair, I'm more in tune with what matters and what doesn't - and this is stupid but it doesn't matter even one bit.

No, I'm weary of people witch-hunting for scandal for no greater purpose than to tear others down.

Maybe if American politics were healthier, I'd be less sensitive when it shows up in my own industry.

Twitter is not for private conversations. Don't fucking use Twitter if you don't want other people to read what you are writing.

This. Furthermore, don't say things you don't want your company to know about while listing your real name and place of business.

All that, also: Anyone who regularly uses twitter to talk about their lives has signed away their right to privacy.

Look, you can't lock out a conversation that makes your complaint null and void. That's silly as hell.

But I repeat myself.

He was replying to other another person's public tweets. This was not meant to be a private conversation. Tweets are public by default.

This is bullshit. If you want to act like a shitheel anonymously, do it somewhere anonymous (4chan, etc.) or under a screen name. If you use your real name (and associate it with your company) then accept that there may be consequences for your actions.

Yea, you can't say that. That's the entire point. You can't be offended when people get persecuted for stupid shit when they did it in a stupid forum.

I think the whole issue is about going after people for saying true things that the generally untrue public face of their company or institution doesn't generally admit to be true but that are broadly agreed to be true nevertheless.

So it boils down to:

1) You should know better than to say in public true things that your employer would prefer you don't say, especially true things that are matters of opinion and therefore never completely something you can finalize as factual.
2) But what should happen to someone who says true things that contradict the silent not-quite-lies that their employer would prefer?

2) is really where it gets real. Would we rather a world where everybody, cool people and douchebags, felt somewhat comfortable taking a public shit on the polite lies of their employers or institutions? Every once in a while when the cool people do that, the world changes for the better. Most of the time when the douchebags do it, nothing changes or even worse perfectly innocent people working for the institution end up badly hurt by the douchebaggery.

If we had an airtight way of separating "cool person telling important truths" from "self-promoting butthurt douchebag who just wants to punish the guy who is about to fire him", this would be less of a problem.

You do realize that there is nothing inherently "private" about a twitter feed? Comparing it to Facebook and its privacy settings is Apples vs. Oranges since Twitter is public by default and also because it's pretty much the whole raison d'etre for Twitter in the first plsce.

It's also not his private opinion on the subject he is putting out there for all to see so he can't even claim that it is just his personal stance regarding Nintendo and the WiiU.

I'm not at liberty to discuss any inside information from my job with people outside of my company and sure as hell he isn't allowed to talk about EA's business strategy on Twitter. Should he be fired over that? Maybe, maybe not. Would I trust him with any sort of sensitive info if he can't even handle himself on social media? Certainly not.

I get that you don't like the whole getting screen shots and posting them all over IGN business. Once you reach a certain rung on the corporate ladder though there is no longer such a thing as a "private" opinion if it concerns your business and your business partners and you are privy to information that is not available to the public.

It's pretty much a tempest in a teacup because he is not even echoing a minority opinion. The WiiU has pretty much tanked at this point and in contrast to the Wii it hasn't even got Mario or Zelda going for it since Nintendo hasn't even announced any new games let alone made any yet.

It's not as simple as no longer putting up with corporate bullshit.

Maybe EA is still negotiating with Nintendo or vice versa and the decision isn't final yet. Maybe they really don't want to develop for the WiiU yet still want to make games for the DS and 3DS and don't want to sour the relationship with Nintendo unnecessarily. Maybe they just keep it quiet because they are preparing an Ad Hoc notice or SEC filing and have to adhere to certain rules and regulations regarding disclosure of such info.

Maybe there were titles in development but the work hasn't been cancelled/the project team hasn't been dissolved yet etc.

It's not always just the white lies and bullshit of corporate PR. In that case the ramblings of that guy could cost EA or Nintendo real money and might even put jobs on the line.

I'd also be rather concerned if I was him instead of angrily berating Nintendo. There's no guarantee that PS4 or the next xbox will fare any better in fact there's a chance that they won't. So he should just heed his own advice since EA doesn't have much of s presence on Android or iOS either.

Oh please. Quit high-horsing the issue. Do you even comprehend how much worse Twitter in the sporting world alone? The amount of hilarious and frightening shit involved would cause you to turn into a gibbering blob if you're sensitive to this.

This isn't politics, it's business.  Employers don't have to be fair, they want to make money. You act like an asshole you cost them money or prestige and there's other folks who can do your job.   You are not a special snowflake.

It's unprofessional to sling shit.  Period.  When you do it while wearing your company's badge you're going to cost them one or both.  Particularly when you sling lines that are so easily thrown back at your face.  "Just Make Good Games,"  has gotten more "LOL, EA" comments than Nintento fans attempting to defend that company.

 I don't get why that's so hard to understand.


Ed: and again I'll go to this well: Do you think pre-twitter you would keep your job if you went downtown wearing your company's ID and started yelling in to a bullhorn how other companies are shitty?  It shows you're a liability at best.

I was talking to my sister who has 3 young kids and she said loves the Wii, as they are great fun, the kids can play away with them and it has loads of games. She said she probably wouldn't bother getting the Wii U though as its way too expensive for what you get and all the atachments cost extra, and she said she might get an Xbox or something when the kids are a bit older.

People bought the Wii for the Nintendo logo on it.

The Wii has plenty of shortcomings.

1. It's behind on graphics capability.
2. It doesn't play DVDs(without hacking the console to add the feature in) which is a standard on the other two consoles.
3. It requires another controller which is sold separately to play N64 Virtual Console titles, or to just play normally on a game without all the motion control junk.
4. Controller requires sinking money into batteries.

As for the 360. I'd say four words justify my dislike of it. "Red Ring of Death". High defective rate. There's also the fact that backwards compatibility is limited(as is PS3's, sadly) and a hard drive for storing DLC is sold separately. And the hard drive costs nearly $100 for a name brand, and Mircro$oft I've heard blocks generic hard drives.

The PS3's advantages are obvious.

1. It always comes with a hard drive.
2. It uses a standard 2.5 inch laptop hard drive, making it very easy to upgrade(wheras the Wii has only a small flash chip and the 360 require a hard drive made for the system)
3. It plays Blu-ray(and for a time, was the cheapest blu-ray player on the market.)
4. You don't have to pay to use any of the online features like you do with X-Box Live.


So this isn't just blind fanboyism. I've got specific reasons for my preferences.

End of discussion folks.

The RROD hasn't been an issue since the system redesign back in 2010.

Yea, but you're a whiny jackass.

And you get what you pay for. PSN is slow as balls, and whenever my girlfriend turns her PS3 on and sees yet another mandatory system update, she's a coinflip away from just going "fuck it" and turning it back off.

And for fuck's sake, stop calling them "Micro$oft." You're not twelve.

Or at least I hope not.

None of that matters, at all.  We are talking about success and failure which is easily settled by looking at sales numbers.  Nintendo won this round, their console being technologically weak is irrelevant.  If pong made a comeback and sold five hundred million units they would be number one - like it or not.

I don't like nintendo or the wii but to claim they are failures is delusional.  I don't like apple or microsoft either but I still acknowledge they are crazy successful.

To be fair, if Nayr dislikes "Micro$oft" for making money then I could see why he would throw his hat in with Sony.

Sorry, the $ thing is just a habit I picked up from a friend. Also I've never noticed any real slowness updating my PS3. And I have a 1mb connection(bad area = slow internet)

As for the "making lots of money" thing about Microsoft, my problem is that they seem to gear their system where you have to buy everything from them, which is more expensive than generics which they block via firmware updates. PS3 is more lenient than that.

And even if they did fix the RRoD issue in 2010, that's a few years too late for a lot of buyers who had to replace their systems(my own brother included). A manufacturer should have all major issues ironed out before they put the product out on the market.(Especially since hardware issues aren't something that can be fixed with a firmware patch)

:rimshot:

I'm always amused in these discussions when Nintendo's less than cutting edge graphics come up.  Later on in other threads we'll see some of the same folks saying gameplay matters most.

If you're going to blast Microsoft for the price of their hard drives, I'm just going to remind you that the five hundred ninety-nine you ess dollar PS3 enjoyed WiiU levels of sales and cut-rate port jobs for years until Sony finally cried "uncle" and lowered the damn price. Hell, go back and find the old Demon's Souls thread here and look through the first few pages. There's lots of "Damn, this looks and sounds awesome, but the PS3 costs too fucking much, so I have to pass."

And if you're going to blast them for the RROD, then I'm going to remind you that the PS2's earliest models also enjoyed a staggeringly high failure rate, to the point where Sony lost a class-action lawsuit about it. But nobody remembers that, I suppose.

My point is, don't be a console fanboy. Both systems have pluses and minuses, and both are made by shitty companies.

Its perfectly possible to agree with both of you.

- the chap tweeting this should have known better for his own sake.
- the "press" making hay with it are pond scum.


Those statements do not contradict one another.

1. Buying a console right after it releases isn't wise in any scenario.(been there once, never again) Fighting crowds, wasting gas jumping from store to store because one doesn't have it, then paying the full price when there aren't even a lot of games. I waited a few years and bought a PS3 Slim for $300. And by then, there was a nice collection of games that were out and could be bought used.

2. I'll point out that I was roughly 11 years old when the PS2 first came out, and back then the only thing I had to play on was an N64(not a lot of money in the house to throw around on systems and games). So I was a little out of the loop back then.

3. If you notice, I pointed out quite a few of those pluses and minuses.

Says the guy who hurls insults and names the minute he hears an opinion he disagrees with(even when it is explained) rather than just agree to disagree.

I'm not usually shy to expressing my opinions and when I do, I like to be concise(though that's not always possible and I have to get lengthy). If you disagree with what I say, that's your problem. I debate things like video game plots, novels, TV/movies because it's fun for me, sharing my opinions, hearing others, hoping to find something I might have missed or potentially inform someone of something they themselves have missed. But getting into a flame war over which console is the best is not a very entertaining way to kill time.

So call me an idiotic whiny jackass if you want(or anything else you want to add). Cause at the end of the day, you're the one acting like a kindergartener, not me. And as a forum administrator, you and your moderators are supposed to be preventing that sort of behavior, not partaking in it.

This isn't the smartest way to go about this.  Nor is it a battle worth fighting. 

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82533/justwalkaway.jpg)

Believe me, I have no intentions into going into an exchange of insults with the admin. I've already said my peace.



And to return to the original subject of this thread.....

Perhaps people should wait for an official confirmation/denial of something before they start raising the torches and pitchforks and trying to get the man terminated from his employment over a few leaked tweets. Cause chances are, what this guy has said disclaimered as his personal opinion that does not reflecting the company's. Or the tweets will just be deleted and he'll claim a hacker got into his account and posted it to cause drama.

schild is the owner of this site. He can say whatever he wants to :awesome_for_real:

I approve of the Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla

- Note, this response is not a part of the going argument that I tried to conclude. It is simply a question about forum ethics. -

As a site owner and lead administrator, shouldn't he be acting more like an example to people on how to behave, rather than be like Nixon, who believed his presidential status made him above the law?

I fucking love Nixon. You, however, haven't earned the right to have an opinion here,

This thread made me search for and read
Council of Stellar Management Voting Active

Thank you for the laughs yet again!



I am a bad poster and am allowed to continue only at the grace of those who administer this site.  

(if you want to see my first impression of Schild skip to page 8 or so)

My god. I've donated to this tyranny. I can't believe this shit.

RK should be banned for not uninstalling Scarlet Blade within the first few minutes! 

Or for installing it in the first place?

WAIT!  I installed it and said wtf? before uninstalling it.

Yay for no bandwidth caps

I liked the thread about judging people on twitter more than I like the thread about how my shitty console was better than your shitty console from a decade ago.

Although I did enjoy the bit where some guy said Schild is literally Nixon. Internet forums are serious business.

What I'm saying is this is a bad thread.

I'd probably buy a used car from that man.

Personally, I don't think anything should happen to the guy because he didn't say anything that wasn't true or proprietary information. Engineers and Devs should flat out be able to say a platform sucks if they want to with no repercussions. What's Nintendo going to do? Say EA can't make games for the WiiU?

But but but... a company is at Steak, you must continue!



Anyways, this discussion is stupid.  There is a clear difference between this and the Adam Orth retardation.  Adam Orth was a creative director adamently insulting a huge population of players who don't live in major cities.  Adam Orth was also a creative director at Microsoft, which means he was in a position to decide how and where things went (I can't remember if he was specifically with the XBox division though or which division).

This idiot is just a random senior engineer.  Senior doesn't mean shit except he's been in the job for a while.  His word carries no weight (at least not from title alone).  He also didn't insult the player base, he just spouted that one of the console is shit, which isn't nearly as big of a deal.

Non-story.

Ok I was definitely wrong. Sock puppet it is not. Sock puppets are never this stupid.

Is this the thread where we are supposed to profess our love for the supreme leader?

Nah.  :grin:

There are people who are playing consoles today who weren't even alive when that issue happened. It's not really relevant anymore, which is why no one brings it up.

I'm pretty sure you can just make a donation to Hex instead.  :why_so_serious:

My poorly, poorly timed donation drive is suffering at the hand of Hex.

Edit: I'm like, secretly a little upset but at the end of the day don't really care as I just want to play Hex right now yesterday.

I think that's entirely different level of argument -- it's not that "his settings should've been tighter" but there is simply nothing private about Twitter feeds, period. You post there with full knowledge it's for the whole world to see.

It's like streaking across the field on the Super Bowl night, then getting upset people are commenting the size of your butt.

*Nevermind! My post added absolutely nothing that hasn't already been stated.  :awesome_for_real:

My experience with my kids was exactly this. Nintendo for when they're small, XBox/PS3 when they're preteens and up.

 :Love_Letters:

That's fair.

I like that if I say something stupid on this forum, people say, "You're stupid, STFU," rather than running off to tattle-tale to my employer to get me in trouble. I make games because I like games. I talk about games with other gamers because I like games. I don't do this because I want to be a rock star or stalked by tabloid shitheels. I am not a community manager. I am not a public relations representative. I'm a grunt, not a general. I don't want to live my online life with the same sort of fear and paranoia the "generals" do, unable to show my face or say anything.

If I had to wear my "professional" hat 24/7, I wouldn't be able to post here or anywhere else. I wouldn't be able to discuss politics or what I'm playing. I wouldn't be able to interact with gamers. I'd have to become the "ivory tower" dev, and sacrifice my life outside of my job.

And I would go insane.

Welcome to every other profession with liability.  If it touches on your work, be careful about commenting on it because it can come back to bite you bad.  You see the lawyers and accountants here do that all the time and they haven't gone crazy.  Well, most.

This is part of being a 'grown up' field and something the Hi-Tech sector has always appeared to to me as trying really hard to resist. They're not going to get to for much longer.

Liability is the key word.  Especially if you work for a large corporation.

Why a person wouldn't use a pseudonym for Twitter is beyond me. Pseudonyms free people so they may speak their minds, provided it is not known who their employer is. If it is not known who their employer is, it is highly unlikely to hurt the employer, and hence for the employer to hurt the employee.

You just have to be careful about disparaging people in your sector. It's not that complicated. I don't run roughshod over other CPAs, accounting firms, or the general price of services. I don't find it to be that constraining.

That being said, I absolutely refuse to post in the politics thread. I have no business doing that when I work on government related stuff.

I know it's a page or so back but I'm new to this thread but....

Did someone seriously, in a serious manner, without any irony...compare twitter users to rape victims?

 :ye_gods:

In fact, no. But I can see how you could turn it into a straw man fallacy that looks like that.

I see AP is not in this thread.  That's prolly good for someone.  /probe

It's just basic form that if you are going to do something stupid, you don't put your real name to it.

(http://i.imgur.com/nOWzCWl.jpg)

While that is very sensible from any personal perspective, it is also one of the reasons that political discussion across society is.... not very well informed.

In all fairness, just because it looks like real name doesn't automatically mean it is the real name.

I assume that's why the dates are circled.  The game was released April 26th, but there's achievements from January and March on the profile. 

Because people who are informed don't participate? Or because people who participate are by nature uninformed?

Well, both actually.

Plato summed that up nicely for me, "Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something."

and "One of the penalties of refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."

This.  I don't even use Twitter any more, but I have two Twitter accounts, one for real me and one for work me.  Everyone I know who has a significant work/celebrity persona has two Facebook accounts (their real name one is the work persona so they can accept friend requests from people they don't know so as to appear polite, and the fake name one is the one they actually use).

This guy failed on so many levels it's amazing.  You shouldn't talk smack about competitors in a public forum, and you especially shouldn't do it under your real name, and you ESPECIALLY shouldn't do it under your real name while also talking about your company's business strategy. 

I don't understand why people are up in arms saying this guy should be able to say whatever he wants. If I identified myself as being a part of my organization on Twitter and posted something about how much one of our competitors sucked and my company found out, I would be disciplined. Maybe not fired, but I would get a talking to. My company's leadership recently sent out guidelines on how to conduct yourself in social media. I work for a $100 million wholesale printing supply company, not a $1 billion high profile gaming company.

Because it's 'the man' trying to keep you down and such.

It's O.R.A.C.L.E. - One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison

The man doesn't keep you down, he's too busy. He makes you keep yourself down by distracting you with bullshit like "the man."

That's fairly common. If you make a fan video using copyrighted images or music, the copyright owner may contact YouTube and, instead of asking for the video to be removed, instead ask for some advertising to be added to it, with the copyright owner (not me the copyright-abusing fan) keeping the revenue.

The music industry has been doing this for ages and I guess Nintendo owns the images and sounds contained within their games just as much as a record company owns their music.

It's better than simply having the video removed, as bastards Fox did to my carefully crafted Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan videos.

It's also very dumb on nintendo's part. I have purchased several games from watching a bit of let's play on youtube to get a feel for it.  It's like companies don't realize the free publicity they are getting from this.

I don't think the gaming industry is noted for it's professionalism, so the general lack of understanding in this area might be fairly common.

Exactly.  Though I'm sure you heard the green in my text.

Also: What Paelos said.

Not all publicity is good publicity, though, especially these days.  If some jackass makes your game look stupid or incomprehensible because they skipped through the tutorial, switched off the "annoying" help text, didn't read the manual, and died at the first point the game inched away from being completely generic, that might hurt sales.  Youtube is full of dumbasses playing games they don't understand so they can scream obscenities while dying repeatedly because over the top antics bring the views, I'm not going to start crying because the owner of the material they're shitting on decided to tell them to knock it the fuck off.

And there's also the issue that as games are getting more cinematic and less interesting from a gameplay point of view, more people are viewing Youtube videos instead of playing the games themselves.  If your game is more of a cinematic experience than an actual "game" game then you're probably going to get a bit worked up about the entire thing being shown from start to finish on Youtube just like the creators of an actual cinematic experience would.

And don't forget how many people are confused about the whole right of free speech thing.

Or how many people are confused and think this particular comment is worthy of any attention at all, regardless of who the guy works for.

I agree in principle that there are things you can say that should get you fired or reprimanded. I can't agree that this is one of them.

It depends how good he is at his job otherwise.

Like you, apparently.

Because it applies to government, not your employer.  Your employer can censor you in whatever way they want and there's very little you can do about it in most, if not all, states.    'murica!

I'm so glad I don't make youtube videos, because this is becoming my playing style more and more lately. Oh, and turning off sound. What have I become!?!

I turn off sound on everything now. The only music I've kept on for the whole time I game is Tropico.

I'm always amused by people who not only think their right to free speech extends to everyone everywhere (any country, any situation, any audience, any venue) but who ALSO thing their right to free speech means no one can get offended, upset, or call them an asshole.

Y'know, it's possible I inferred sarcasm in Phred's post where none was intended and he was adding an actual discussion point.  If so I apologrize.  I was grumpy as I hadn't eaten in 10 hours.  Fucking lab tests.

Um yes, that was my point. Way to read intelligently. You carrying some beef with me that would make you jump on the attack after misreading my point or is that your general attitude?

Original Tropico had my favorite music of them all, but they've all got some gems. <3

FIFY.

How dare you take away the game director's livelihood away?! Who the hell do you think you are?  :awesome_for_real:

So you missed the apology one post before this? Nothing personal I hadn't eaten in 10 hours and was grumpy and mistook your post for snark in the same vein as people who usually drop the 'first amendment' line.

Incidentally; isn't it true the the WiiU flat out can't run the new Unreal Engine or Frostbite?

Me?  I don't understand.

To add some content, I'm not really a fan of consoles, we have a Wii, the Mrs forces me to play Mario Kart long after I got bored with it.  My 6 year old gets some use out of it but we have resisted getting her involved too much with technology as one of my nephews plays way too much on consoles.

As for the guy, you shouldn't say stupid stuff that affects your employment, especially if it's true.

Not sure, but I believe it's 100% true that the WiiU is a tarted-up gimmicky piece of shit.  :why_so_serious:

Damn my turn to apologise. Sorry for being so sensitive.
It was snarking at those people.

THIS IS NOT THE INTERNET I KNOW!

All this apologizing is making me uncomfortable.

Let's tweet our rage.

Don't forget to mention your company name and job title while telling everyone they're a bunch of stupid cunts.

Not sure if real or not. http://i4.minus.com/jxHZOgdzG2bSN.png

I'm sure it is fake, but it makes me laugh either way.

His Twiiter page says he's unemployed but who knows if that's true.

https://twitter.com/orth_adam

I thought Nayr would pop on your scanner but he re-cloaked in time.

He did make that tweet along with a few others about being always online in the wake of the Xbox reveal.

(http://i.imgur.com/kpcNJee.png)

That is a cleverly disguised fake Twitter account. They copied his picture and all of the tweets have to do with the Xbox. His real account is here and locked:

https://twitter.com/adam_orth

Looking briefly at his tweets, he's one childishly stupid stupid motherfucker. Hopefully his next job is flipping burgers.

Naw, I only did that a couple of times for laughs, the guy who wanted to live forever and Poseidon.

Yeah I agree. It looks to me like Nintendo just tried to recreate the Wii, hoping that another gimmick(like the motion controls) would do that. The Wii's motion control gameplay and low price was enough to buy people into ignoring the fact that it was barely better than the Gamecube. And that's just not gonna work a second time(fool me once). The WiiU is supposed to be a next gen console, but is sub-stantard to THIS generation.

Relevant: Considering the fact that Mass Effect 3 is on the WiiU, and it uses Unreal Engine 3, I'd say that's an indicator that it can play Unreal(Though I cant say if it plays it well). Dunno about Frostbite though.



I have a cloak? Why hasn't anybody told me about this? :p

Also relevant: Unreal 3 is not "the new Unreal Engine". http://www.unrealengine.com/unreal_engine_4/

Also Unreal 3 is a fairly wide spectrum of capabilities it's not a monolithic product. The older versions of the engine are much less powerful and require significantly less resources to run than the current UE3 version. UE3 is still being licenced and developed so it is still a current engine, Epic told us at the UE4 demo last year that they only expect high-end games to be using it for the next 2-3 years and that you won't see it on consoles for a while yet.