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While it's been known for a while that Chris Nolan and Emma Thomas were going to be producing a new Superman film for Warner Bros, the LA Times (http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/10/04/zack-snyder-will-direct-superman-film/) confirmed that Zack Snyder will be directing and David Goyer scripting.

Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i7b035dcf5d2c2ea748943e504d1d5404) also suggests that General Zod will be coming back.

Can't say I'm not excited for this.
I'm hoping they dont do the whole super dark thing with superman, but still manage to make it epic.

As long as they don't make superman 'himself' dark it's fine. I always felt superman was at his best being a sort of shining beacon of goodness when everything around seems bleak.

A lot of people didn't like Superman Returns.  I thought it was a perfectly acceptable 2.5 -3 star flick.  I feel it's kind of unfortunate that it's not going to be followed up on.

I thought the last one was pretty good, but really don't see the point of a new one.  Planet explodes, spaceship lands, small child meets loving parents, "my erection breaks things", "what's this green stuff?", "Ah I'm weak", /overcome odds, /titles.

I fell asleep in the theater through Superman Returns.  It dragged.

I thought it was a little boring, but not terrible. Then again, I'm not a comic book (or previous Superman movie) fan and was only in the theater to see it at the behest of friends.

Why do they keep "rebooting" things within a short number of years of the last "reboot"? Oh wait. It is hollywood, no new ideas, sell what has worked before, gotcha.

Any bets that the trailer is better than the movie?

Last Superman was pretty boring, IMO.  Oh look, he's flying again! 

Well, technically, the most recent superman movie was not really a "reboot" since it was still somewhere in the timeline of "events continuing" of the previous movies, what with the plot beginning with "supes has been gone for some time, and is now back"

Every 5-10 years is a new crop of moviegoers who haven't seen Superman, or The Black Hole, or whatever. Especially with superheroes, who usually only have one good story to them (Fuck Dark Knight) I predict that the term reboot is going to become meaningless. Hell, I expect the next Star Trek to be a 'reboot'.

When dd they reboot The Black Hole ?

I'm there, motherfucker.  Perving on Kate MacCrae, beautiful Oesophagus.

They announced they were making a remake in November 2009.

Joseph Kosinski Interview (http://www.collider.com/2010/09/26/joseph-kosinski-interview-tron-legacy-reshoots-black-hole-oblivion/?_r=true)


Not looking like any time soon.

Just sign Tom Welling as Superman.   :awesome_for_real:

I didn't mind the last one either except that I kept thinking about Kevin Spacey as Lester from American Beauty, which ruined the entire Lex Luthor character for me. Was waiting form him to see a rose petal and zone out.

Anyway, Superman done by Nolan is about the only thing that would get me excited about another superman movie.

The whole Zack Snyder thing I could take or leave. Guy always seemed like a cookie cutter director to me.

I googled 'Zack Snyder slow motion' and received about 38k results. hohoho

I also expect Jor-El to kick Zod into a giant pit.

It's got Chris Nolan.

'Nuff said?

Counter: it also had David Goyer. He can be a very mixed bag.

I will dissent here and state that a movie with Superman along the lines of how he was portrayed in Kingdom Come could be an interesting movie.  Greying, somewhat cynical, still godlike, but with that innate spark of wanting to do good...

I enjoyed the previous Superman movies, even the oddball #3 and weak #4, but Returns left me cold.  And didn't Tom Welling turn down the movie gig due to a 3-movie deal being required?

There is very little I would not do for a kingdom come movie to be made but alas, it would be too awesome for us mere mortals.

Red son. Take the franchise somewhere odd.

That, and we don't have the technology to clone Alex Ross yet.   :uhrr:

Superman needs to have someone as his primary movie antagonist whom he can conceivably punch in the face at some point during the film. Lex Luthor and his stupid land-related plots have always been agonizingly boring.

Luthor going "Ahem Superman, please don't breathe on me hard and knock me out, you see there's a missile, and bla bla bla" is a big yawn. Zod screaming at him to kneel and heaving Volkswagens at him? Yes please.

I so want to see this live-action, preferably on Smallville, but I'll take it in movie-form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywo6F4xYTvA

This Times Infinity.  Ironwood/Zod Approved.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Nohamotyo

I just watched Superman/Batman: Apocalypse...

I missed the thought boxes of superman and batman. It really made the comic to see how they viewed each other. Still it was a pretty good animated film. I liked that they kinda kept the nose as a nod to Michael Turner.

Plus it has all the voice actors from the animated series reprising their roles. WHICH IS AWESOME. That being said, the graphic novel is a lot better.

That clip illustrates the biggest problem with Superman on the big screen:  Almost everything about the Superman animated series is amazing, and raises the bar to an impossible degree.

I have enjoyed the DC animated universe stuff far more than any superhero movies, as superhero movies. I think the jump to live action just loses something. A superhero live action movie can be enjoyable, I loved Iron Man, but as an adaptaion of the source material.

Rise from the dead!

Zod it is.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/10/man-of-steel-superman-movie_n_847259.html

Kneel.

Maybe Superman will throw a cellophane 'S' at him!

Does this mean Ironwood might have to change his avatar?

No.  Didn't do it for Smallville, ain't doing it for some film that's likely to be shite.

Zack Synder directing, Nolan producing, so might not be shit.

I hate Superman.

It might be a good film, but it'll be shite.

 :why_so_serious:

I don't blame you for hating him. He crushed your hand and tossed you into a pit.

And he raped Lois Lane in the same movie.

True Story.

I always felt superman was a bit of a wank superhero anyway, he's got way too much going for him. Need a lot of water? Sure let me freeze a lake with my freeze breath and lift it with my super strength while flying it over to you. Got an army of crazed cyborgs? Let me melt them with my laser vision, or perhaps you would like me to crush them with my super thighs, or run them over with my super speed. A case of syphilis? No worries, I can cure that with my healing hands, or I can use my super brain to find a cure or blah blah blah.

Seriously, too much. The best superheroes are the most human ones.

I always thought it was the best superheroes are the best written ones.  Superman is probably the hardest to write for given his arsenal of powers. 

Red Son is pretty entertaining - what if superman had landed in Russia instead of Kansas, (Or to take it one further try Speeding bullets and have him found by Thomas and Martha Wayne.)

For the Man who has everything is also pretty good, I liked the Bruce Timm take on it from the animated adventures.

I'm sure someone will suggest some others, I don't really read a lot of superman stuff, because, his great stories are few and far between.

That's really the problem I guess; it's hard to envisage a situation where the solution isn't a cop-out.

Superman's problem is a living version of power creep. When he started off he was basically a really strong guy and very resilient (I'm not even sure if he could fly, just jump really far). But he was set up to be the ultimate hero, and as comics developed he basically started seeming very underpowered compared to the competition heros, so they kept adding more powers to him. Eventually he was so OTT they had to invent a weakness, so they added green rock which was something they could insert whenever they wanted and never could be very bothersome. But by the 1970s he was just ridiculous as they kept adding to his basic strength, so they drastically nerfed his power level (limited strenght, could only travel in space for as long as he could hold his breath, just about able to survive a nuke but it would leave him crippled etc) but did not remove all the rest of his added powers like laser eyes and freezing breath. Of course they have been slowly making him stronger again since then.

Grant Morrison's "All-Star Superman" has Lex Luthor basically poison Superman with too much sunlight. Superman is incredibly powerful, but also knows he's dying and goes around connecting with his friends / family. While doing superhero stuff of course.

I only read the first TPB, but it was pretty solid.

Interesting idea. Kinda like that Dr Who episode where he killed a werewolf by concentrating a massive amount of moonlight onto it. "By it lives off moonlight!" ""Well you live off water but that doesn't mean you won't drown in too much of it!" The lines were something like that anyway.

Superman could only jump really high at first.

You know, the whole "leaps tall buildings in a single bound" thing.

Yeah, his power creep made me wonder about that line for a long time when I was a kid. "Why bother leaping? He can just fly over it?" It wasn't until I was older and read about his evolution that I got it.

First image is out of Supes. I REALLY love the size of the chest emblem but I'm meh about the fish scale that they're putting all of the superheroes in now. Neckline and cape look good, although it's a little long. Also, good riddance to the boy shorts, they never look good on film.

Is it a bird, is it a plane? No, it's a huge image.

While the fishscale or other patterning can look a bit weird, I still think it's more plausible to see on a bodysuit type outfit than plain smooth fabric.  Somehow that just never looks right when you convert the look into real life.

Actually it's a red X.  :oh_i_see:

UGH fuck stupid fucking Comingsoon-dot-net and their popuppopupopupopupopupuopuopuoupoupoppppppp....

AdBlock much?

Superman suddenly became very grimdark.

It's Snyder, so skepticism, to put it mildly, is where it's at.

But a Superman movie where he's both a boy scout AND he wrecks up a lot of shit fighting something powerful? Could work. Kind of the same character formula that Captain America got right, really: a really good, honest, cornfed American boy who doesn't want to hurt anyone but if you're a grade-A fucking bad guy who does bad shit? Get ready to eat knuckle.

Whoops. Put it on dropbox instead.

This was with AdBlock.  :uhrr:

Moar on topic tho, I actually am fine with this version. At least he has big boots again.

that is a badass superman.

For some reason he looks like Will Arnett to me kind of.

I wish to God they'd just STOP with these reptile texture costumes.  They look like ass.

fishscales  :awesome_for_real:
its realistic see.

Hair looks weird but otherwise pretty cool.  Maybe he punches something with the superpowers and the flying and the heat vision? Glavin.

Yup this is my biggest problems with superman. Unless they go the cheese route of busting out kryptonite nothing is a challange for him and he can just roll over whatever he faces. So the inevitable use of kryptonite just feels cheap as it has to be done over and over and over again.

That is probably why one of my favorite "recent" Superman comics is the Death of Superman. The doomsday fight didn't use any cheats as I remember it. He was just a character that was just as strong as Superman and it forced him to make a hard choice.

Best recent Superman comic is All-Star Superman.
And it shows him at full strength, too.

Just finished with the trade paperbacks, yeah they are really great.

Return (again!)

Is it a bird? Is it a Vimeo camera test? Is it a fishing documentary? No, it's the Man of Steel teaser trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F-toIu5JscE)




 :oh_i_see:

Dear God No.

Why is Superman hitchhiking? He can fly....oh god he's blowing truck drivers isn't he?

You will believe a man can swallow.

I did enjoy the actual flying bit, looked cool.

The trailer didnt look bad...or good...looked like a teaser. lol crab fishing though....

The flying part was good. The rest... what the fuck did I just watch? That's not what I want to see in a Superman movie. I hope that's a 1-minute montage and not actually much of the story.

Watching batman the trailer popped up and my girlfriend goes "Oh god is this aqua man?" then after it finished "It would have been better if it were aqua man"

Saw it on big screen. Still shit - but the flying scene was much better on the big screen.

(http://thatishouldgain.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/lotrfrodogrieve.jpg)

Come on, what part of "Superman has your crabs" are you not liking?

I wondered if there was an "Aquaman" film I was unaware of until I saw that Zack Snyder was involved.

It's a weak trailer, but obviously Superman goes on a journey along side the common people for some reason.

Bootleg version of longer trailer currently online (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf079i7Gq3E) (but probably not for long)

EDIT: Still has touches of Vimeo camera tests at the start but the brief glimpses of action show hints of Snyder's usual visual flare.

That looks like it's the Con package that the were showing. The current teases are already available online.

And I really hope Nolan's tutelage over the project helps center Snyder. He... is quickly becoming M. Knight Shyamalan Part 2 for me.

New Man of Steel trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVu3gS7iJu4&feature=youtu.be

Oh shit.

Great trailer.

Yeah... I'm intrigued now....

Plus, Michael Shannon is a bad ass.

"Should I have let them die?"

"Maybe. Maybe rape a nun while you're at it Clark."

BEST PARENTING EVAR!

Yeah, seems like a movie rendition of what Superman would be like if he had realistically bigoted farmer hick shitty parents.

Which is interesting, because Superman as a character really can't be challenged by external forces; legitimate conflict must come from within. So the struggle to overcome being raised by asshole parents could be interesting as a plot device. I still hate it and want him to punch things though. Much prefer the JLA approach: Hey look a thing! Go throw a statue/car/building/small continent at it!

I think we are reading far too much from a single line in that trailer. We don't know what the threat coming from the incident is that would cause Jonathan to react that way.

I read more of a "Well, shit, we got an alien kid and don't want him taken away" vibe from the comments more than a "YES YOU SHOULD LET THEM ALL DIE, FUCK KIDS, CLARK" kinda thing.

I was actually more referring to the line at 2:04: "My father believed that if the world found out who I really was it'd reject me. He was convinced."

Obviously, my avatar shows the direction I lean in the debate succinctly.

BTW: What the hell is with it'd? I get that it is "it would" as a contraction, but it's such an ugly thing to write. Damn you English language and your fluidity!

The trailer is obviously showing that the bad guy in this movie is us, it's how the "real world" would deal with superman if he just showed up.  No super villains, no space monsters, just an near-all powerful being showing up on our doorstep and how we'd react to that...generally not well I'd assume.

The villain in the piece is Zod. The conflict with the real world is just setting up some internal character conflict. Expect lots of SMASHY SMASH.

That trailer made me wonder how Clark Kent can shave.  What earthly material has the power to scrap off Superman's chin whiskers?  :why_so_serious:

Pretty sure I've seen him shave with eye lasers and a mirror before.

Well, that trailer was annoying as fuck.

Louder Choral Singing Please.  Really, really blast my eardrums and make the whole thing a cacophony of fucking epic pointlessness, you utter cunts.

Bleargh. Zod is a lazy villain. Toyman all the way!  :grin:

Michael Shannon would also make a great joker.

Which always raises even more questions.  If eye-lasers can trim his beard, why can't Lexcorp lasers destroy his hair so he's as bald as Luthor after being fried? Why will eye lasers melt his hair but not his skin?   If his eye lasers are tough enough to melt his hair that metal razors can't touch, can't he just eyeblast every known material to oblivion?

Superman gets really dumb really quick when you ask questions.   Part of the reason I always preferred Batman.  Still illogical but a little less so than Supes.

I remember the comic explaining at one point that he used a piece of metal from his original spaceship to deflect his heat vision and shave, yeah.  The illustration made it look like a very careful operation, so I'd assume he'd be capable of giving himself an owie if he just blasted his own face indiscriminately, but he's super-precise so as to just scorch off the stubble without giving himself a razor burn.

I don't know why you'd assume that Lexcorp lasers are the same as Superman's heat vision (unless it was established somewhere that they're the same)?  Can easily say that Superman's heat vision is way stronger, or at a special wavelength, or something.

Yes, he can eyeblast every known material to oblivion, he's goddamn Superman.

No, Superman doesn't make any sense.

The conversation about us being the bad guy makes me think that a Dark Knight Returns (the Frank Miller comic) prequel movie could be really cool.  Show the events that led up to all the heroes going into exile.  I'd watch that.

I hadn't looked it up so I didn't know zod was in it but I like to hope they are actually going to make zod less a mustache twirling villain and more of a facist peace through power type villain.  That way it can still be a very human story of what you do with unchecked power and less a good vs evil black and white type movie. 

With the setup of people being scared of Superman, I can easily see them setting up a Xavier vs Magneto dynamic.

It's like you don't know Zod at all.

If there isn't at least one "Kneel Before Zod" this movie will blow.  :why_so_serious:

I should add, I don't think it'd be good for them to rewrite Zod as Magneto.  We already have a Magneto.  His name is Magneto.   :awesome_for_real:

Or Snookums.

To be serious, the character of Zod has pretty much been written and remains fairly easy to do and not fuck up.  He's a pretty standard evil archetype. 

The Superman in that trailer confuses me though.  I'm not sure I'm going to like the film much, but I never liked Superman very much anyway, so I'm not the target audience.  I want to watch Batman punch him in the face with Kryptonite Knuckles every time.

I'm not really sure how Mental Case in Boardwalk Empire is going to work though.

Michael Shannon is a really really good actor.

I didn't mean to come abusive or dismissive :  I literally haven't seen him in ANYTHING else.

So, I'm curious.

I should say if this movie portrays Zod "Right" I do not believe the old movie did that and that he was more evil for its own sake in the Reeves movie.

No.  No.  No.

:facepalm:

Loved the trailer. Not surprised you're not sure about Zod.  :wink:

Sure the Gladiator-esque choral was a bit loud. But I appreciate it just for being different. I'm not sure about the spaceships though. A first for a Superman movie, which is why I'm not sure about it. Maybe it's all related to Zod in some way?

I fucking love how they make him fly, I'll probably watch the movie just for that.

The launching off the ground bit actually, I must admit, gave me goosebumps.

Guys, but what is Zod's motivation???

His motivation is that he hates Steven Moffat.

I knelt.  :grin:

I was disappointed they didn't go Inceptionhorn, personally.  More trailers need it.

The Inceptionator. (http://ryanpitts.com/projects/inceptionator/)

As for the trailer, I quote Batman's twitter account, "This trailer is so badass I almost forgot what a douche Superman is. Almost."

I liked it, but wasn't blown away by it. I honestly could do without sad Superman or realistic Superman or Superman who doesn't wear his underpants on the outside. Superman should be kind of cornball middle-American Boy-Scouty. He should not be Jesus. His color palette should be bright.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMbiLJ2aZuY

Best Zod parody ever.

great trailer

There was one with Zod selling kitchens.  I still giggle to think of it.

Freakin awesome, thanks!

Incidentally, they tried to roll that sound into Beethoven's 9th for the next Die Hard movie trailer. Works about as well as one would expect  :-P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ9yYpUooiw  :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6DJcgm3wNY&list=UUjmJDM5pRKbUlVIzDYYWb6g&index=1

I'm in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6g2ZSuWyM4

Not sure how scary Zod is . . .

Seems more shouty and angry than scary.

He was destined to have Robin Hood as his dad.

 :drill: :drill: :drill:

I really don't like Russel Crowe as an actor anymore.

So he can't even get his camera to work properly, and we are supposed to be scared of this guy?

Looks like some kind of weird bionic suit zod....not sure how I feel about that, oh wait, I hate it.

It kind of reminds me of the armor Zod was wearing in the Jim Lee run of Superman. Not that fond of the armor, but I liked the trailer.

The problem with almost every comic book movie 'armor' is that they don't actually look useable. They look like big rubber suits that would never be practical in any way, the only exception of course being iron man doing it 'right'.

Newest trailer interests me, which I didn't think would happen after the last abortion.

Hmmm.

I concur. However, this Zod seems to lack the singular menace that Sir Terence provided.

Also, I'm back to wondering how Superman shaves.

I thought he seemed rather calm!

Wait, was Zod supposed to be scary?

Mirror and his laser eyes.

I still want to see a Superman movie with Toyman as the villain. Anybody can write "Superman punches Zod", but it takes real talent to make Toyman a challenge for Supes.

Without using the green crutch, of course.

I don't even like superman (always thought he was rather OP) and I've watched that trailer 3 times. I'm in.   Is it me or is this summer shaping up as rather kickass?

Kryptonite Razor

That can't be right, Kryptonite is just a rock, no way it could take an adequate edge.  Obviously the answer is Kryptonite-infused shaving cream.

--Dave

Either way, if he nicks himself wouldn't he die?

Because stone's never been shaped into sharp objects before.  :awesome_for_real:

(just kidding, know what you mean)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvkDcrbLP2s

So easy even Lois and Clark got it.  :grin:

That seems entirely impractical, especially for under the chin and behind the jawline. It also makes me wonder whether he'd deal with errant nose or ear hair in the same way.  More importantly, how many mirrors would it require for a full back, sack and crack?

Dupes has always been depicted pretty hairless.  He's not one of you Mediterranean SOBs, so shaving the chest back wouldn't be a problem he has to deal with.  :grin: :drill:

Kryptonian puberty results in a full Brazilian.  :why_so_serious:

This conversation is worse than the Kryptonite condoms bit from Mallrats. :uhrr:

So how does Superman deal with hemorrhoids? Kryptonite cream?

This reminds me of a huge argument on a forum one time. If Superman sat on a toinet made of kryptonite, would he suffer from constipation or dysantry.

It was educational...

Dysentery is a bacterial or amoebal infection.

Empire magazine gave this a pretty good write up, not a review obviously but they sound real hopeful about it.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1411632/Serious.jpg)

They also said the new Trek was shit.

I just find it strange we're saying that a magazine had hopes for a movie.

I have hopes for every movie I'm interested in.

I find Empire reviews closely match my views most of the time, I just was slightly surprised that they gave such a good preview for what I normally consider the most boring superhero.  Not sure how well their previews standup after the fact.

I'm not against a decent superman movie, I saw the 1978 original in the cinema and remember it fondly.

From what I read I think there's a fair chance this will actually be worth the wait.

Well, I hope they're right.  Like you, I find Superman the most stupid of superheroes because he can do everything and only has one weakness (which always, always, always turns up right on time.)  The first two movies with Reeve I liked, mostly just for the acting, rather than the character or story, but I always hope they'll be able to do something compelling.

The last one was just so bad it broke my spleen, so we'll see.  I must admit, I have liked the trailers, but that tends to mean precisely dick these days.

As much as Zod gets some love around here, I really wish we could get something new out of a Superman movie besides Zod and Luthor.  It just feels like they are rebooting past Superman movies.  Same thing pretty much with the new Star Trek.  Both of these properties have so much other stuff that they could go into. 

Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo, etc.  At least from the previews it looks like Supes will get to cut loose a bit more than all the other movies combined.

Yeah, say what you like about Smallville, but at least they ran the gamut.

The problem with movies is they want the mass audience and the mass audience knows Luthor. I think it was a bit of a risk that they used Zod in the second movie and a bigger stroke of luck that he worked out well enough to become somewhat of a cultural icon (though not to the extent that a Luthor is). Metallo? Not a chance in hell in a movie other than as a bit henchmen part. Brainaic? Only on movie #3.

I don't know, I think just Superman has enough of a draw that they have some leeway when it comes to villains.  Especially with the Superman: TAS, Justice League cartoons, and the animated movies that DC have been pumping out for years.

For a reboot, I'm not sure anyone else has enough of a classic vibe and some ties to the origin potentially. Brainiac is the only 'big enemy' they've never tried, and he has some possibilities.


Parasite and Metallo are interesting but not iconic enough--Parasite only works really well after Superman's powers have been extensively established and he's become a bit cocky or over-confident.

Bizarro is definitely no good for a film, esp. an origin; same for Myztlplk.

Doomsday is stupid. Darkseid is too powerful.

Ultra-Humanite would need some re-imagining.

Comic-book Superman basically has a very weak and boring rogue's gallery, largely as a consequence of the character's nature. If you stack him up against a baddie with mind-control (some versions of Brainiac) you either end up giving Supes mental powers TOO or you have to come up with some b.s. deus ex machina. I think the only really interesting thing they haven't tried is a character who is neither a super-genius OR a super-strong thug, but instead is some kind of stealthy killer who can't be detected by Superman's senses and who can stay away from him--who won't fight him but can't be caught easily either.

New trailer up for this. Looks pretty awesome. I'm too tired to figure out how to do fancy youtube links so pardon the uglyness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NlOF03DUoWc#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NlOF03DUoWc#!)

They should just go ahead and use the Joker. It would be fun to watch the internet explode.


Also I've seen that damn trailer so often now that I'm already bored of this film.

That trailer was certainly new to me. Thanks Logain.

Oh hey, so the movie isn't all about morose emo Clark Kent after all.

I didn't mean that trailer Logain posted. I was referring to the emokent trailer.


That one looked better but probably not better enough to wipe out having had to watch the other one in front of everything I've seen at the cinema for 18 months.

There one simple litmus test for this movie.  If krypton it's is in it at all it will be terrible.  There is zero reason to use that crutch in this movie and if its there in more than a passing reference it will be used as a crutch for Unimaginative storytelling.

Snyder has already said there is no Kryptonite in the movie.

Thank you zombie Jesus

Who would make a movie about The Avengers? Noboby besides comic book neckbeards know who those freaks are.  :grin:

And queue the cute video . . . I may hate kids, but this little girl I'll make an exception.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cZSpMqXpmk

You know, the first trailer they released was just all kinds of stupid, but every trailer since has actually made me more and more interested in the movie.

The smug look on her face is what makes that video.  Anyways, new trailer. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejXjZ-k6Myc)

Okay, now we're back to emo constipated Superman.

From what I skimmed in an article in the latest Cineplex magazine where they interviewed the director, they are definately going with a more emotional take on Clark.   They want to make a lot of the story about him trying to figure out where he fits in human society at large, with the realization that he is basically a god when compared to a normal person, and that when the truth comes out, it would likely make for a very uncomfortable working relationship.   Very much more emphasis on "Fortress of Solitude" superman, then "Friendly Everyman Reporter" Clark Kent.

howdoesheshave.com (http://howdoesheshave.com)

Let the tie-ins commence!

He shaves the same way he flies.  BECAUSE HE'S A FICTIONAL CHARACTER!

Fictional characters! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIsSNEUmc4)

Beginning to have new doubts about this based on some early reviews. Sounds thoroughly Snyderized.

We are reading completely different early reviews evidently. My expectations are way too high for this movie.

Powersuit zod still bugs me.

I'm reading comics geeks who have significant problems with the grimdarkness of some aspects of the film.

Who me? I don't  read comics at all, power suits are just fucking dumb.

Dean Cain is the best Superman.

I don't know why people bother any more.

I am seeing this tomorrow for free, yay vendor swag. I kind of expect it to suck.

Me and the wife went to a midnight showing.  We loved it, and the rest of the crowd seemed to enjoy it as well. 

I saw this and immediately thought of a friend of mine who's a big Superman fan and hates anything "grimdark".  ALMOST texted him to warn him to brace himself, but he was already in line for a midnight showing and I didn't want to deflate him unnecessarily.

Based on the FB posts I'm seeing from him this morning, maybe I should have warned him after all.

Yeah, there's some stuff that is sort of like Batman using a gun. But I might be ok, depending.

Fine movie. Nothing worth getting worked up over either way really.  Although, if I was going to die I think I would want it to be with Morpheus now.

I honestly think it could have used more of superman punching things. Likely the next movie will feature Lex rather than a super powered villain, so punching will be at even more of a premium. Zack should have gone balls out on this one. Not like, The Hobbit, here have 40 minutes of pointless action, but like, Zod declared war on earth & superman, lets go with it, Smashy time.

My nerd quibbles.

Fine for a free movie. It's really really Zack Snydery. A bit too long and it descends into Dragonball Z territory at the end which is inevitable I suppose when special effects finally let Superman be Superman.

The sheer level of destruction in the fight scenes has me wondering just how many people Superman kills in this movie. Batman would not approve.

Superman has always kind of bored me in general so I'm probably not a good yardstick for many of you on this.

The only time I can really stand superman is when he and some other guy are picking up sky scrapers and beating the shit out of each other with them.  So your description gives me interest.   :awesome_for_real:

If you want to see weaponized architecture, then yeah, you'd be happy with the fights in here. 

The fights were awesome. Basically superman vs supermen/women. I did find myself wondering partway through how many people they must have killed throughout their fights, but I'm sure it would have paled in comparison to how many people had already been killed.

Would this be appropriate for an 8 1/2 year old whose parents aren't too prudish about violence in movies but don't want him to see crazy-ass bloody violence or things that degrade people?

Perfectly.

I think there are a grand total of like, 3 scenes with visible blood in them, and they are all alongs the lines of "I have cut myself worse while shaving" kind of things.

My only major nerd gripe in this:

Also, I dont really understand the gripe about the "armor".  This isnt "power armer" a-la Iron Man, this is just Battle Armor.  Just imagine what a Scientifically advanced race would make if attempting to make platemail, and its about what you would get.   It does a bit of environmental protection, and physical body armor, but from what i could tell there was no "power assist" in it.

Saw this last night, enjoyed it a lot. A little slow to start, with some early pacing issues due to flashbacks and such, but all in all a good time. Heh, one of my friend's comments last night was that this is what a DBZ movie ought to be like.

I saw a midnight showing and I can't really explain why I didn't like it. It's almost as if it felt like Dark Knight Rises without having two movies before it. A bunch of things happened without really any character development, except for a few flashbacks of Clark being bullied. The emotional attachment to anything happening just wasn't there.

Sounds like a Zack Snyder movie all right!

Saw this last night, for first half of movie, was really well done, even if it moved a little slow in some parts. Then it turned into Transformers.

I thought the way the fight scenes were cut was not NEARLY as obnoxious as what I've seen of the Transformers ones, but I can see why you would say that.

Saw it. It's ok-to-good. There's some good thinking in Goyer's script about how to tweak Superman's motivations, his character and his relationship to Lois Lane.

Specifically:

What I don't mind:


What I do mind:


What gets annoying:

Missed opportunity:


Problem with the new status quo:

One more thing, non-spoilery:

Lots of writers play with "Superman is the ultimate immigrant to America". I think this film is the first to play assertively with "Superman is an *undocumented* immigrant to America".

Saw it. LOVED IT. I think it is easily in my top 5 best comic book superhero movies of all time (bearing in mind I don't think of the Nolan Batman films as superhero films because they fucking aren't). I felt the emotional backstory stuff with Kevin Costner was perfectly done and really gave the character some emotional gravitas. Costner was absolutely the perfect actor for this role.

But...


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Fuck your eyeballs.

Saw it.  Enjoyed it.  I thought it was really refreshing that they didn't do much if any callbacks or 'homages'.  I'm looking at you JJ Abrams.  Not even a 'kneel before Zod'.  The actor playing Zod was good as was Faora.  The action, for me, was much easier to follow than Transformers ever was.  The super-beings moved fast and did cool shit.  Also nice to see an old actor play Supes.

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Anyway, I thought it was a well crafted film with good actors and a good script.  Some emotional attachment was missing, but a really strong (heh) superhero film entry. 

A couple of quick notes; I was shocked to see how few were in attendance.  There wasn't twenty of us watching it.  IM3 was at about 80% capacity.  Anecdotal, but makes me wonder how this film is faring.  Lastly, good to see a parent taking the baby out after a couple of cries.  God bless her!  I noticed she was young and that made me wonder if younger parents are more mindful of theater etiquette.  Because my town is full of Wal-Mart rednecks who don't give a fuck.

Tann:



Haem:

Techy spoiler.

Might just be your area.  Theatre I work at has had pretty much 80 to 100% sold out theatres for practically every showtime for the whole weekend (and we are running it in 4 auditoriums of between 300 to 400 seats capacity at like 3 shows per theatre each day).

http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/

Seems to have done quite well.

So its made 125 mil and IM3 has made 400 million.  Not sure the Man of Steel can beat the Man of Iron.  Glad it's doing well though.

Can't remember where I read it but man of steel made so much money from product placement and merchandising that they covered production costs before the movie had been released.

Except...

I saw it and liked it but was really, really bothered by

Isn't it the Kent family dog that Pa Kent is saving? And yeah, overpasses are officially not the right place to be.

This is all sounding rather horrid and unfun.

Suspect the biggest problem is timing.

I'm all cinema'd out on mediocre nerd pandering right now.

The choreography on the fighting is often very good, and it's an interesting visualization of comic book tropes. But the fighting in Metropolis comes close at times to Miracleman vs. Kid Miracleman rather than Superman II only without making the casualties explicit.

This, plus it doesn't look entertaining. The marketing makes it look less fun than the terrible Green Lantern movie. Marvel movies do well because they're beat-em-up blockbusters. If they showed more of the fights you all are talking about, they'd probably be doing better. 

Instead it looks like Superman goes Emo and we have a 2 hour slog about the implications of a god living among men and how he feels out of place and We The People would treat him in the modern America.  A thinker of a movie.  Thinkers never do well at the modern box office.

The movie is nothing like this.

Well then isn't that just an EPIC Marketing fail.

Yeah, thoughtful it ain't.

When I first got out of the movie I loved it. Cavill made a really impressive Superman and the fight scenes carried a weight to them I wanted.

But as I thought more about it, it really started to sour and the point that many people here have made is what bothered me the most.

On DC comics tropes and the ending.


Murdoc

Isn't that every super man plot ever?

Ok.  :oh_i_see:

Ironwood, it really is a good movie, despite my protestations. It's worth seeing.

Ken Levine Superman Review (http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2013/06/superman-my-review.html)

Apples to oranges. IM3 has made 400m total, not just opening weekend.

IM3 had a bigger opening weekend too. Superman did have the biggest opening for a June movie though (not accounting for ticket place inflation, blah blah blah).

It's still 50 mil shy of IM3's opening weekend tho.

How come no one cares about the many folks who died in the Transformers movie?  Why didn't Optimus Prime show remorse and/or try to save them instead of fighting?

Also, I wasn't comparing both movies opening weekends.  I was showing where MoS was in relation to IM3's total.  Total. 

Doesn't everyone agree that the Transformers movie was a giant crapfest of brainless special effects?

1) Because Michael Bay. Tyranny of low expectations and all that. Nobody expects anything like narrative coherence from Bay. Asking anything in his films to make sense is stupid.
2) Because Optimus Prime isn't Superman. He's a good guy but he doesn't have the really, really long track record that Superman has, especially re: civilians.
3) Because genre. Superhero comics have a special relationship to the idea of the long-underwear crowd doing everything they can to save innocents.

Fuck this movie.   

Hey guys, we found a planet where we have super powers! awesome, let's make it just like our old planet where we were just regular dudes.  I wasn't bothered by Superman not seeming to worry about the random destruction, he had zero time to worry.  Every time he paused for a second or two he got hit, those guys had super speed and weren't letting up.  Also haven't we learned by now, NO CAPES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy2YhxXn7NY), i swear the only purpose of the thing was for someone to swing him around by it.

Mild spoilers, I suppose.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakarin/man-of-steel-destruction-death-analysis

In 2 when Optimus went all Hannibal Lecter and sliced up The Fallen while shouting "Give me your FACE!" I did a silent "Whyyy?!?!?" for Peter Cullen, and then imagined myself stabbing Michael Bay in the face over and over shouting "Who's face now?"

Yeah, the live action Transformers movies are crap, and it's starting to sound like MoS is following in it's footsteps. I'll wait for cable to watch this thing.

Apparently Nolan and Goyer had a big argument about the ending, Snyder took Goyer's side and then the head honchos at DC came in and agreed with Snyder and Goyer, so Nolan shrugged and said, "Eh, it's your movie, do what you want."

Well I have to say, that was defiantly worth 12 dollars for a 7pm showing.  My GF that loved FF6 couldn't stand Man of Steel... I just now thought about that....

I think they're skipping out on kryptonite per se. But Superman does learn that re-establishing the conditions of Krypton makes him not very superpowered, and it looks to me as if it's possible for someone like a bald industrialist/scientist to recreate those conditions on a local scale...

Because nobody cares about Transformers movies?

I wasn't aware we had a responsibility to comment on every terrible two-bit movie produced by some worthless hack.

I think its a pathetic nip pick to, considering the nature of the villains superman is fighting, expect that the situation wouldn't come at tremendous sacrifices. I mean sure, superman didn't show visible concern for all the destruction around him but considering he had to contend with several people in a fist fight he could hardly hold back in....

I think you all are missing an important part of this. Superman II. It is the perfect loose end to set up for the first part of the next movie; to reflect on all the shit he has done and all the innocent lives lost - have him withdraw into his own "solitude" and brood about it while Lex starts taking over Metropolis under the guise of rebuilding, hell he can also start fracturing Supe's image with this.

That is if they are going to do a Nolan-esque treatment of Superman for a short series of these.

... ending with Lex Luthor in power armour fighting Superman.

Super-strength armor conveniently discarded...

Where is it said the armor gives super strength? Plus supes has been sucking up uv rays for 33 years so training or not of course he is stronger.

I didn't see anything to indicate the Kryptonian armor was anything more than protective/decorative.

Same. I figured the armor was basically sci-fi plate armor and that Zod ditched it 1) to move around more easily and 2) because he was power drunk and felt invulnerable.

Pretty sure the armor is what enables them to fight toe to toe with him before they get that first experience of superpowers when whats her name's mask gets broken. The jumping and shit they do doesn't really make sense otherwise.

The jumping makes perfect sense. Clark didn't know how to fly initially - when he first found the scout ship and learns about the Krypton thing, he starts jumping and falling. It was only then he figured out he could fly. Removing the mask only made the atmosphere affect the other Kyrptonians quicker (and thus they got the sensory overload they weren't ready to deal with yet).

I don't think that's it, I really read it as they have no real superpowers before that first cracked mask. It isn't explicitly spelled out either way, though, I suppose. It seems to be more the air than the SUNS YELLOW RAYS or whatever in this one.

They make a big point of saying that Krypton has a huge gravity difference from earth. The whole badguy plan revolves around increasing the gravity.  It's like us going to the moon and being able to lob around boulders on a whim, only on a greater scale. The sun/atmosphere may increase the strength, but the whole gravity part was a big plot point.

They explicitly say that the sun's rays are what make Clark (and later Zod and company) stronger. I think there is even a CGI shot of his cells absorbing the sun's energy at one point. The air is actually a problem, it is not the source of their strength.

Then why does exposure to the air trigger the xray vision, for example? I guess the conclusion is that it is just kind of sloppily handled in general.

Sciency-wiency.

LOOK AT THE MONKEY!!!  :awesome_for_real:

Gravity is all fine and great for adults, but a baby taken out of that gravity would not have developed super strength based on something he was never subjected to. If anything, (assuming this is tied into genetic makeup) he would have been weaker than the others since he was raised in Earth's gravity. Fuck you all, now I gotta go see this... :awesome_for_real:

Well in the world of non-creationist science, plants and animals evolve to the gravity that they are born in.

Namely a young clark would be considered superhuman regardless of where he grew up, because kyptonians evolved on a planet with much heavier gravity then earth. Of course you have to deal with another issue being, kyptonians are for all intent in purposes very human in appearance and physiology.... something that wouldn't be the case in a world with higher gravity than earth.

Apparently the only differences between kyprtonians and humans is the way we process radiation.

You aren't thinking like a Lindelof.

Wow! Superman's mom is hot!

Okay, I'm getting old, when that is what I kept thinking watching this movie.

Great movie.

My 9 year old was NOT ready for the intensity of the action in this movie. But, he said it was "good" even though he was shaking like a leaf during most of it. Last time I ask you lot for a read on suitability.

I believe the rating is PG-13.

I took m y 11 year old son and 3 of his friends to this on Friday.  Now I used to go to one movies a week 15 years ago when I was single.  Now I go to 3-4 a year.

This was a good movie.  This was also a good Superman movie.  I did not notice the "intrusive" product placements as much as I expected given the reactions I read here. 

Also, Diane Lane made to look old is hotter than Amy Adams.

I take my 5 yr. old nephew to see movies like this all of the time (he's a Marvel fiend already).  Of course, ask him what he wants to be when he grows up and, with a straight and deadly serious face, he says "I'm gonna be a soldier!  A supersoldier!  I've gotta fight the aliens!"   (Halo and Avengers did this I believe)

Last time I asked him what he wanted for his b-day he said "Umm.  I need a Superman ring!"  I ask him why and he again with a straight and deadly serious face says, "so I umm... so I can keep my fodder from spanking me when I'm bad!"   :awesome_for_real:   I was all like (with an equally serious face), "dude... you need a Green Lantern ring for that man!  Here, lemme show ya!"  And off to the comics&collectibles store we go.  Of course, something tells me somehow he learned of the actual superman ring, but shit I dont even know the lore behind that.

Mind you, I catch this kid on Steam all the time while my brother is at work.  His hero is Tony Stark (not just as Ironman, but as a dude who builds things).  Now he can touch-type and investigates youtube vids on how to mod minecraft; and he DOES! (at least he figured out how to load them).   :oh_i_see:   My father flips out at all of this and runs off to buy him his own ideapad.   :facepalm:

Anyways, I sense ritalin in this kid's future but for now screw it.  Brainwash time.  Pacific Rim here we come!!!

Ahh.  Might have been a bit poorly phrazed question then.  The way I read it put emphasis on the "bloody" violent part, and since there was pretty much 0 blood and gore in the thing, I gave it a pass.   Yeah, "intensity of acton" might have been a bit over the top in a few of the battle scenes, but not much more so then avengers.

Eh, was mostly kidding on giving you shit about it (although an A-10 pilot did get his head ripped off in a long shot). He was bugging me for a week to see it so it isn't like I dragged him to it. He just isn't used to that type of movie.

I actually think it was the noise (which was CONSTANT) more than anything. He is a bit sound-sensitive.  He was going to see Pacific Rim with me but now says he won't.  :sad:

A good way to desensitize him to sound intensity without traumatizing him at the same time is to take him to an air show. Very loud intense sound that is not constant that he can prepare for.Plus an added benefit is that air shows are awesome.

This Man of Steel will divide a lot of the crowd. And honestly, I'm not one of those who liked it.
All that grand speech by his dad. Oh yeah, he's gonna be a God and lead the people to the Sun...
Ahahahahah. It was your fault for sending your kid to Earth, asshole.

I can get that, but it was quickly overshadowed by other more enjoyable parts of the film.  I especially liked how his childhood was de-emphasized other than as cues for his character.  That tactic is not often executed well, but I feel it was this time.  That said, the way Kevin Costner died (never a bad thing) was weak.

Yeah, but,

It's a shame Amy Adams really drug the movie down; I guess as Lois Lane is supposed to do?  Diane Lane (who probably should've played lois) gave her a professional lesson on-screen on how to really act.  So yah, I hope this is the last time Adams is cast in a "serious" film.  Let her go back to the satire.

That said, who would've been the better Lois for this movie?  Given that we've now seen it.  I guess I shouldn't be so harsh, I thought her script had some to do with it.

She was in this movie? I couldn't see her over the awesomeness of Antje Traue.  :drillf:

edit: me forgets words.. doh

I'm not a big fan of lois lane in the first place (a rant for another day) but beyond that her role in the movie could have been reasonable cut out. It doesn't fit in with superman lore, doesn't make sense for her not to notice him as clark later on, and it makes there romance more contrived than it already is. Nothing wrong with the actor, the character just shouldn't be in that movie.

My interpretation of the Clark Kent scene was that she did recognize him, unless it was supposed to be a "he looks familiar but I cannot quite place him" moment.

um, dude...I hate to break this to you but you are really bad at subtext. That ending was the most blatant part of the movie "Welcome to the planet"  not to mention and I can't emphasize this enough She finds out very early in the movie that he is Clark Kent  this is not a detail you forget.

Once you realize this just a another version of Star Trek then you are not burdened with a movie that "makes sense" or "is true to the estabished characters" or "more than special effects".

Kate Beckingsale :awesome_for_real:

And really it was the directing of Amy Adams that was horrible. Sort of like Natalie Portman in the Star Wars movies.

What is it with comic book movie writers going out of their way to reveal superhero secret identities as quickly as possible? I fucking hate that shit.

I actually thought Adams was loads better than I would have ever expected. And I really liked that they didn't pussyfoot around with Lane not finding out his identity. Get that shit out of the way quick so that their romance isn't the usual moonlighting buildup and let's not waste screen time next movie with that.

She was indeed loads better than I expected, but I still yearned for something better.  Now that I've thought about it longer though, it really is more a function of the Lois character herself.  I mean really, is it even possible to play her well? 

No.

I thought that Erica Durance did pretty good at playing Lois on Smallville.

It works better when the heroes gf doesnt know, especially superman because it's the time he spends with her as clark that builds the feelimgs on his end. Now all that's borked.

Because the "Secret Identity" schtick isn't good for much other than comedy effect and the reveal, and as a climax the reveal sucks.  So they get it out of the way early on, or blow past it entirely.

--Dave

Plus now it's easy for her to fall for Clark knowing he's Supes.  Has a Lois Lane ever fallen in love with Clark the loveable goof not knowing his alter ego?  That would say something good about her character if she did.

But her knowing doesn't bother me at all.  Everyone tells the story a bit differently.

IIRC in the TV show "Lois and Clark" they went a couple of seasons before Lois figured it out.  I think I'd count that as my favorite portrayal of Lois, although I haven't seen it since it aired so it might not hold up now.

I disagree with secret identities not being good for anything other than comedy and the reveal.  A big part of the drama in superhero stories traditionally comes from the hero trying to balance the two parts of his/her life.  The Batman movies are good examples of this, as are the first couple of Spider-Man movies (we'll note that the identity reveal happened around the end of 2, and 3 sucked so hard that most of us try to forget it ever happened).

MJ figures out his identity at the end of 1.

It was hinted that she might have figured it out, but the second movie opens with her apparently not knowing.  There's a bona fide "reveal" scene later on in that movie where she sees him unmasked and acts surprised.  I guess you can argue that she was just playing along that whole time, but for purposes of the plot (and more importantly, Peter's motivations and actions), his secret's safe up to that point.

If anything, the disappointing part is that they actually go through with setting up his secret identity at the end of the movie. His "disguise" has been a pop culture joke for decades and that was before the days of HD video and Internet dectectives.

I'll just leave this here: Why Superman couldn't punch someone into space (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/06/could-superman-punch-someone-into-space/?cid=co9263734).

--Dave

The point about how ridiculously high escape velocity is at the surface is good, but he shoulda oughta just done the math to figure out what that velocity would need to be rather than giving up at 100000 m/s (not even a significant fraction of lightspeed).  Also, why is someone who doesn't know how to solve differential equations writing a blog called "dot physics"?  I don't remember diff eq well enough to solve the problem myself without having to dig up my old textbooks, but I remember it well enough to know that that's what you'd use to solve that problem rather than randomly guessing numbers.

Also, Superman can levitate magically, ergo you can ignore conservation of momentum when he applies force to things.  Duh.  Otherwise he wouldn't be able to catch and throw heavy things while hovering.

Didn't someone at one point postulate that Supes is actually using some form of very advanced super-telekenesis when he is doing most of his "super lifting / throwing / holding" of big objects?  I mean, from a purely structural standpoing, it would be completely impossible for him to say lift a cruise ship out of the water or hold up a collapsing building (which he has done numerous times in the comics) because the sheer pressure he would be exerting on a single point of the surface would simply cause him to basicly punch right through the side of the thing, instead of, you know, hold / lift it.   He would need to have some way to actually spread the lifting force needed to move the object over almost the entire surface of the thing to avoid that.

That or he's got a built in structural integrity field and inertial dampener.   :drill:

There is the widely accepted alternative theory that it's because he's fucking Superman.

Either or.

Plus the show goes to crap once they made the reveal.

Lois and Clark is the best superman is going to get and I don't see why people keep trying to top it.

Smallville was much, much better.

Well once they got out of High School.  The last 5 seasons of Smallville were pretty damn good though.

The early Green Rock Shit was just awful, I agree.  It took a while to find feet, but once it did it's been the most interesting interpretation of Superman I've seen yet.  As I've said before, as a character, he doesn't interest me at all.  I find him really quite silly - however, the Smallville version at least dealt with the human element.

Also, surprisingly good acting.  And lots of hotties.

Smallville was the most well developed Superman so far. I liked pretty much everything about the show, but their version of Lex Luthor really stood out. The season they introduced Lois was the last season we watched it though, so I don't know what happened after that. I tried picking it back up later, but the episode had Lana being some sort of possessed reincarnated French witch stealing artifacts or something. It just wasn't the same.

That particular storyline was bobbins.  Also, the Scottish Honeymoon retreat thing that was actually Irish.  Fuck knows what was going on there.  The real writers must have been on holiday.

Meh, Scottish...Irish...same thing... :why_so_serious:

Well, quite.  Which is why they should have just picked one !

I thought the movie sort of tackled the whole can't lift a cruise ship angle well. The one time he ever tries to hold up something big was the oil rig and while he had the strength to hold it, the structure itself started collapsing above him.  You never really see him lifting anything else big, just punching shit.

Its called tactical telekenis, basically the ability to keep the structural integrity of an object causse you say so. Its also the reason why his clothes stay prestine, and he can catch people without turning them into goo.

I didn't watch enough smallville to really be sure if it was better than L&C. What I do remember is that they had the best Lex imaginable but Lana was unbelievably annoying and should have been dropped after about 2 episodes. It also made me wish the programme was centred on one of the normals rather than Clark, who, as ever, wasn't that interesting.

I'm pretty sure TV is a better medium to develop superman than the cinema is. You need something to stop filmmakers just having people throw buildings at each other, so it might as well be the TV budget.

But Zod threw a locomotive engine at Supes from at least 100 yards away.

One of Zod's flunkies.  But yeah.  At least the van was a bit more realistic.  Not sure how you get a hand sized hold on a locomotive it that would allow you to pick up something of that weight without said hand hold just pulling right off the thing.

(http://i.imgur.com/IhZPUWb.jpg)

Tactile telekinesis.

On my phone when I typed that, but thanks.

Dear god I can't believe this thread has smallville fans after the show runners flogged that show to death after the third season.

Because the show got 10 times better after they left.  Really the tone of the show changed once all the high school stuff was done.

The increase in camp and shitty plot lines increased by 10 fold  :drill: