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Topic: Superman Returns (Again) (Read 64375 times)
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murdoc
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Beginning to have new doubts about this based on some early reviews. Sounds thoroughly Snyderized.
We are reading completely different early reviews evidently. My expectations are way too high for this movie. |
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« Last Edit: June 13, 2013, 02:07:28 PM by murdoc »
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Have you tried the internet? It's made out of millions of people missing the point of everything and then getting angry about it
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Lakov_Sanite
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Powersuit zod still bugs me.
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Khaldun
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I'm reading comics geeks who have significant problems with the grimdarkness of some aspects of the film.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Who me? I don't read comics at all, power suits are just fucking dumb.
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eldaec
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Dean Cain is the best Superman.
I don't know why people bother any more.
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Ingmar
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I am seeing this tomorrow for free, yay vendor swag. I kind of expect it to suck.
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Mazakiel
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Me and the wife went to a midnight showing. We loved it, and the rest of the crowd seemed to enjoy it as well.
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Samwise
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I'm reading comics geeks who have significant problems with the grimdarkness of some aspects of the film.
I saw this and immediately thought of a friend of mine who's a big Superman fan and hates anything "grimdark". ALMOST texted him to warn him to brace himself, but he was already in line for a midnight showing and I didn't want to deflate him unnecessarily. Based on the FB posts I'm seeing from him this morning, maybe I should have warned him after all. |
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Khaldun
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Yeah, there's some stuff that is sort of like Batman using a gun. But I might be ok, depending.
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Ragnoros
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Fine movie. Nothing worth getting worked up over either way really. Although, if I was going to die I think I would want it to be with Morpheus now.
I honestly think it could have used more of superman punching things. Likely the next movie will feature Lex rather than a super powered villain, so punching will be at even more of a premium. Zack should have gone balls out on this one. Not like, The Hobbit, here have 40 minutes of pointless action, but like, Zod declared war on earth & superman, lets go with it, Smashy time.
My nerd quibbles.
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Ingmar
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Fine for a free movie. It's really really Zack Snydery. A bit too long and it descends into Dragonball Z territory at the end which is inevitable I suppose when special effects finally let Superman be Superman.
The sheer level of destruction in the fight scenes has me wondering just how many people Superman kills in this movie. Batman would not approve.
Superman has always kind of bored me in general so I'm probably not a good yardstick for many of you on this.
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The only time I can really stand superman is when he and some other guy are picking up sky scrapers and beating the shit out of each other with them. So your description gives me interest.  |
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Mazakiel
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If you want to see weaponized architecture, then yeah, you'd be happy with the fights in here.
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Logain
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The fights were awesome. Basically superman vs supermen/women. I did find myself wondering partway through how many people they must have killed throughout their fights, but I'm sure it would have paled in comparison to how many people had already been killed.
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Would this be appropriate for an 8 1/2 year old whose parents aren't too prudish about violence in movies but don't want him to see crazy-ass bloody violence or things that degrade people?
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SurfD
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Would this be appropriate for an 8 1/2 year old whose parents aren't too prudish about violence in movies but don't want him to see crazy-ass bloody violence or things that degrade people?
Perfectly. I think there are a grand total of like, 3 scenes with visible blood in them, and they are all alongs the lines of "I have cut myself worse while shaving" kind of things. My only major nerd gripe in this: Also, I dont really understand the gripe about the "armor". This isnt "power armer" a-la Iron Man, this is just Battle Armor. Just imagine what a Scientifically advanced race would make if attempting to make platemail, and its about what you would get. It does a bit of environmental protection, and physical body armor, but from what i could tell there was no "power assist" in it. |
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Rendakor
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Saw this last night, enjoyed it a lot. A little slow to start, with some early pacing issues due to flashbacks and such, but all in all a good time. A bit too long and it descends into Dragonball Z territory at the end which is inevitable I suppose when special effects finally let Superman be Superman.
Heh, one of my friend's comments last night was that this is what a DBZ movie ought to be like. |
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MuffinMan
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I saw a midnight showing and I can't really explain why I didn't like it. It's almost as if it felt like Dark Knight Rises without having two movies before it. A bunch of things happened without really any character development, except for a few flashbacks of Clark being bullied. The emotional attachment to anything happening just wasn't there.
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sickrubik
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A bunch of things happened without really any character development ... The emotional attachment to anything happening just wasn't there.
Sounds like a Zack Snyder movie all right! |
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Saw this last night, for first half of movie, was really well done, even if it moved a little slow in some parts. Then it turned into Transformers.
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Ingmar
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Saw this last night, for first half of movie, was really well done, even if it moved a little slow in some parts. Then it turned into Transformers.
I thought the way the fight scenes were cut was not NEARLY as obnoxious as what I've seen of the Transformers ones, but I can see why you would say that. |
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Khaldun
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Saw it. It's ok-to-good. There's some good thinking in Goyer's script about how to tweak Superman's motivations, his character and his relationship to Lois Lane.
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What I don't mind:
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What gets annoying:
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Khaldun
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One more thing, non-spoilery:
Lots of writers play with "Superman is the ultimate immigrant to America". I think this film is the first to play assertively with "Superman is an *undocumented* immigrant to America".
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HaemishM
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Saw it. LOVED IT. I think it is easily in my top 5 best comic book superhero movies of all time (bearing in mind I don't think of the Nolan Batman films as superhero films because they fucking aren't). I felt the emotional backstory stuff with Kevin Costner was perfectly done and really gave the character some emotional gravitas. Costner was absolutely the perfect actor for this role.
But...
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Fuck your eyeballs.
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Tannhauser
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Saw it. Enjoyed it. I thought it was really refreshing that they didn't do much if any callbacks or 'homages'. I'm looking at you JJ Abrams. Not even a 'kneel before Zod'. The actor playing Zod was good as was Faora. The action, for me, was much easier to follow than Transformers ever was. The super-beings moved fast and did cool shit. Also nice to see an old actor play Supes.
Some comments
Anyway, I thought it was a well crafted film with good actors and a good script. Some emotional attachment was missing, but a really strong (heh) superhero film entry.
A couple of quick notes; I was shocked to see how few were in attendance. There wasn't twenty of us watching it. IM3 was at about 80% capacity. Anecdotal, but makes me wonder how this film is faring. Lastly, good to see a parent taking the baby out after a couple of cries. God bless her! I noticed she was young and that made me wonder if younger parents are more mindful of theater etiquette. Because my town is full of Wal-Mart rednecks who don't give a fuck.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Tann:
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« Last Edit: June 16, 2013, 04:40:34 PM by Lakov_Sanite »
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SurfD
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A couple of quick notes; I was shocked to see how few were in attendance. There wasn't twenty of us watching it. IM3 was at about 80% capacity. Anecdotal, but makes me wonder how this film is faring. Lastly, good to see a parent taking the baby out after a couple of cries. God bless her! I noticed she was young and that made me wonder if younger parents are more mindful of theater etiquette. Because my town is full of Wal-Mart rednecks who don't give a fuck. Might just be your area. Theatre I work at has had pretty much 80 to 100% sold out theatres for practically every showtime for the whole weekend (and we are running it in 4 auditoriums of between 300 to 400 seats capacity at like 3 shows per theatre each day). |
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Tannhauser
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So its made 125 mil and IM3 has made 400 million. Not sure the Man of Steel can beat the Man of Iron. Glad it's doing well though.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Can't remember where I read it but man of steel made so much money from product placement and merchandising that they covered production costs before the movie had been released.
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I saw it and liked it but was really, really bothered by
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Khaldun
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Isn't it the Kent family dog that Pa Kent is saving? And yeah, overpasses are officially not the right place to be.
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Ironwood
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This is all sounding rather horrid and unfun.
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So its made 125 mil and IM3 has made 400 million. Not sure the Man of Steel can beat the Man of Iron. Glad it's doing well though.
Suspect the biggest problem is timing. I'm all cinema'd out on mediocre nerd pandering right now. |
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