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EVE Online: Apocrypha Uncovers a New Version of the Universe Itself

Reykjavik, Iceland January 8, 2008- CCP, one of the world’s leading independent game developers, today announced the launch of the tenth free expansion for EVE Online, its popular science-fiction massively multi-player online game (MMOG). EVE Online: Apocrypha is the most ambitious EVE expansion in the game's over five year history and it coincides with the March 10th, 2009 release of EVE Online as a boxed product through a partnership with Atari.

The fabric of space itself will be transformed as vast, unpredictable wormholes open to connect previously unexplored regions of the universe to the stars of New Eden. The seeds of advanced new technology await inside of these cosmic anomalies for those brave enough to explore them. This infusion of technology will enable production of the most dynamic vessels ever – Tech 3 modular ships with an astounding amount of customizability that can fill any role from skirmish muscle to industrial support.

Furthermore, NPC agents in EVE Online: Apocrypha will be authorized to assign Epic Mission Arcs to the pilots of New Eden. These branching, far-reaching mission strings are full of meaningful stories and more intelligent and deadly adversaries.

In addition, we are offering an entirely reworked New Player Experience for those joining (or rejoining) the game – giving them better insight into how to thrive in a truly limitless universe. We’ve already launched EVElopedia—a great repository for information on all things EVE where our players are also building their own living history of the previous five years of Alliance warfare, political intrigue and nostalgic recollection

“Just this past week we broke our concurrent user record with 45,186 people flying unbound in the same game world at the same time—a huge percentage of our quarter of a million current subscribers and a true testament to EVE in our sixth year of operation,” said EVE Online Senior Producer Torfi Frans Olafsson. “Today is an unprecedented time to start playing, as you can get ahead of the curve before Apocrypha releases in stores and our hard work hits the server cluster. It’ll be easier than ever to get ‘lost in the wormhole’ that is EVE with what we have planned for the future of our expanding universe.”

Leading up to the release of EVE Online: Apocrypha and the boxed version of EVE Online in stores, we’ll be revealing more features on www.eveonline.com.

Shit, that might be worth buying just for the manual!

Nah, the instructional manual would just be a single-sided note card with installation directions.

Nah, the instructional manual would just be a single-sided note card with installation directions.

So, cool game with a terrible new user experience and awful UI.

Wait, they are going to put out an actual retail box?

 :-o

The big question is, what do I start buying up now to profit when T3 stuff starts to come out?  :oh_i_see:

In addition, we are offering an entirely reworked New Player Experience for those joining (or rejoining) the game

In addition, we are offering an entirely reworked New Player Experience for those joining (or rejoining) the game

Epic quest lines?

I wonder if T3 ships are going to stay race specific, or will you be able to make Hybrid ships?

Totally speculating, but it sounds like the "unstable wormholes" will be their version of instanced PVE content, maybe a la WoW raid instances.

T3 ships, my impression was that we won't have complete freedom to just pick the features that we want (x high slots, y amount of powergrid), but will instead have to put together bricks that always have negative side effects to go along with the useful stuff they add to the ship's stats.  My fear is that T3 will be worse than T2; for example, try as I may, there might just not be a way to put together a T3 ship that's as fast/good an interceptor as a Crow, and I'll be better off flying a Crow if I want to intercept.  CCP may be looking to keep T2 ships viable by making sure that the niche roles T2 ships have can simply NOT be achieved with a T3 ship.

EVE does use instances, but the design avoids making it look retarded and obvious.

Missions do happen in deadspace. But I thought you could probe people out in deadspace? So it's more your personal grid in the solar system, I'd figure.

I think if you're scan someone out in deadspace the warpin dumps you out on the acceleration gate.

Which you can then use and go kill them.

Except it's not an instance, it's not a separate piece of topology running on a different piece of hardware, it's a defined volume of the system that can only be entered from a particular point in a particular way.  People who enter at different times are all going to the same place, and within the boundaries of the respawn settings finding the scene as the last occupants left it.

--Dave

We are going to give you uncharted, unknown places to visit via paths that shift and slide through the fabric of space. We are going to give you thousands of new solar systems which will contain new NPC's, new exploration content and new pockets of resources to exploit.

Wormholes will bring us to this new frontier, appearing all over New Eden as a result of a cataclysmic event, the nature of which we'll reveal in the coming months. These wormholes are unstable and will spawn and vanish randomly throughout the known universe. A pilot who stumbles across one of these stellar phenomena can fly through it and travel to unknown space, where there are no stargates or stations, just the unexplored void of a new solar system. And when I say "new solar system" that is exactly what I mean. It will not be moving you to instanced space but rather to one of the thousands of new solar systems we will be adding to the EVE universe.

The wormholes themselves will be open only for a randomly determined amount of time and can only let through a certain amount of mass before they collapse. Pilots should carefully consider the information their ship's computer gives them about a wormhole before committing to travel through it. Although there will always be a way back to known space from wormhole space, you may have to search long and hard to locate it.

We are in the process of revamping the entire scanner mechanic, making it faster and easier to use. A shortlist of the new scanner features is:

-You will be able to drop more than one probe in a grid
-Probe scan ranges can be adjusted via a drag and drop interface in the 3D map, removing the need for multiple probe types
-Probes can be repositioned in the solar system map using a drag and drop interface and will warp to their specified positions
-Scanning will now use triangulation to refine and improve accuracy of scan results
-You can recall probes for re-use at a later point and time
-The transition from ship view to 3D Solar System view to Universe Map view has been made near instant, allowing for quick switching between them

There will be two new probe types, exploration and combat. There is also the chance that you could stumble across a route through wormhole space that links two widely separated areas of known space and gives you a lucrative, fast trade route for as long as the wormholes stay open. Wormholes will shift all the time. Wormhole space will not be able to be claimed as sovereign space.

Update your friendlist with 'CCP Amarr HM'  :awesome_for_real:

Don't they have a rewards program for suggestions that make it into the game? A vanity frigate or something would be a nice gesture.

Are you still playing amarr? I haven't seen you online in a while.

This is going to be hilarious.

Yeah, we're gonna see a heap of Empire Carebears popping out in the middle of 0.0 and getting pwned before they know whats happened them.

Does EVE need to be bigger? Has the population grown that much?

Last time I played, I had entire systems to myself as long as I went 10 feet off the beaten path.

-  "While it is theoretically possible to move a control tower into wormhole space, set it up and maintain it, the logistical challenge and risks of fueling and defending a tower in a system with no permanent links to known space would be considerable. But then again the potential rewards are equally great."

I wonder if it will be possible to cynojump in capitals to these systems or if they will be too far out to do that. If they are in cyno distance, reachnig them should be no problem.

I read 'no stations' and then I read "you can get in, but have fun getting out"...  :|

They'll probably start putting CONCORD in them

That's true.

From what I just read in the comments thread you CAN put up a station in W-Space (what they are calling it internally) but you won't find fuel there so you will have a large logistics problem.  A large or dedicated group may be able to maintain a semi-permanent presence in a particularly nice system you will just have to deal with long shifting lines of supply.

I think the attitude is wait and see if something is broken and then they will try and make it easier/harder.

I wonder if this means that Marauders are going to become more valuable in the short term, high-damage, big tanks, extra slots for probes and cloaks and etc...?

Does EVE need to be bigger? Has the population grown that much?

Last time I played, I had entire systems to myself as long as I went 10 feet off the beaten path.

Unless there's a mechanic which suits marauder bonuses really well then I'd guess people will bypass them as expensive toys which cost many times more than their T1 equivalents but only provide marginal benefits.   Don't get me wrong, they make really nice solo ships but I'd think twice before committing 1b worth of ship to an unknown location when there are cheaper tools available.

Pair of T1 battleships working together can do pretty much anything a marauder can, if they're using either lasers or drones then barring acts of God (or CCP) they also have a limitless supply of ammunition - combine that with some kind of supply dump to deposit loot and you have a ship which can remain in the field indefinitely and can be fully insured.

I thought introducing freaking 5000 new solar systems would cover the carebear angle?

Will they be testing "no local" in those W-space systems too?

You'd think so but if even 10 percent of those 5,000 new systems are accessible from Empire space it will provoke shrill forum whining from the crowd that bitches endlessly about people being able to run greater than level 1 missions in high sec.

Unless there's a mechanic which suits marauder bonuses really well then I'd guess people will bypass them as expensive toys which cost many times more than their T1 equivalents but only provide marginal benefits.   Don't get me wrong, they make really nice solo ships but I'd think twice before committing 1b worth of ship to an unknown location when there are cheaper tools available.

Pair of T1 battleships working together can do pretty much anything a marauder can, if they're using either lasers or drones then barring acts of God (or CCP) they also have a limitless supply of ammunition - combine that with some kind of supply dump to deposit loot and you have a ship which can remain in the field indefinitely and can be fully insured.

However as someone stated they take forever to lock and have some other disadvantages.

Why should T3 be issuable?  Anyone getting to T3 should be a vet and handle the risks.

T3 ships will all (initially) be Cruiser sized....

Tech2 battleship.  Large cargo capacity.  Hardpoints have a double damage bonus - the point of which is to be able to make one hardpoint worth two so that you can fit salvagers and tractors and other utility things.

However as someone stated they take forever to lock and have some other disadvantages, so you'd be stupid to use them in PvP, especially at a 1b investment.  They are made for long PvE voyages in relatively safe space.

"Basic research is what I am doing when I don't know what I am doing."

Wernher von Braun (1912 - 1977), because quotes are cool

Whenever I am not aimlessly hanging around in CCP offices, mumbling like a desecrated zombie, I am actually busy attempting all kinds of most interesting experiments to improve mankind's living conditions. Would a man work faster in a computer science company with a third arm grafted onto his chest? Are human ears compatible with RJ-45 wires to build a local network? Could brains be replaced by SATA hard-drives for better storage capabilities?

However, my cloth-staining work seemed to be quite misunderstood, and I was sentenced to serve as Team Epic member, put within the (evil) grasp of CCP Zulupark. Of course, it contains many genetically-mutated Dev specimen, like CCP Oneiromancer and CCP Gangleri from Quality Assurance, CCP GingerDude and CCP Incognito from Software Engineering and myself, CCP Ytterbium from Game Design.

So, for quite some time now, Team Epic has been studying one game facet that most players confront on a daily basis. It is that part shortly after accepting a task from an agent, at that moment you arrive and survey the asteroid belt or exploration site that you were dispatched to. You know what we are referring to, when floating red crosses appear in your overview, often not for long before they are consumed by explosion, flashes and fumes: Non Player Characters, NPCs.


All your belts are belong to us

Team Epic's first goal was to restore balance throughout the known regions of New Eden by spreading NPCs where they were direly needed. As such, with the expansion arrival, expect various pirate battleships to arrive into low-security areas to ambush the unprepared pilots. Of course, the nature and type of these new spawns will be put into scale towards null and high-security space as we plan to even out rewards, not destabilize them further. To be clear, no pirate battleship spawn will make it into high-security space.

 

The Sleeper has Awakened

We have been observing the current strength scale between players and NPCs with watchful eyes for quite some time now. More often than not, PvE interactions in EVE are quite limited, merely consisting of watching the NPC explode after a few volleys. We are not satisfied with that. We want to offer our players true PvE challenge, requiring real team effort and proper gang coordination. We want to give players satisfaction when finally overcoming these PvE situations and reaping the rewards. And of course we want to achieve all of this while giving you the most enjoyment out of it.

That is why for Apocrypha, we are unleashing an ancient race into the universe: the infamous Sleepers, lurking throughout the vast unknowns stretching at the other side of the Wormhole maws. Do not underestimate them, as they will remain radically different from the regular pirate factions you are used to. More often than not, they will give you some substiantial bang for your buck and will require player gang coordination and effort to be dispatched. More details are left for another Dev Blog, but at the moment, know they have comparable player attributes and thus require variations of PvP fits to engage.

Why shoot them? Because they will guard and yield the very components needed for Tech3 ship production. There will be more details on this in future blogs.


Rise of the Machines

Last but not least, we are further improving NPCs by assigning advanced AI capabilities to them. Of course we are not going to assign such improvements all of a sudden to all NPCs, but rather proceed on a careful step-by-step approach which starts with the Apocrypha release. At first, only Sleepers and existing Officer spawns will receive such improved behavior and no other changes will be made to existing PvE interactions. However, with time, we might want to progressively revamp the whole face the EVE Online PVE experience by giving most NPCs clean and fresh roots to rest on.

How will they react with such a behavior? Let us just say at the moment they are going to make logical target choices depending on the most threatening targets available; but again such details are left to be explained in another Dev Blog.

Great, rats are going to start spider-tanking and doing drivebys now.

I'm all for pumping up the rewards in lowsec, lowsec is shitty shitspace right now.  But if they're making everything harder, maybe that means they'll make bounties go up across the board.  Of course, if they increase bounties, they'd have to decrease the m3 of raw ore so that miners don't get shafted, and then it's just more mudflation.

Do I need to explain why this wouldn't help?

--Dave

What it sounds like is the rats will now shoot the weakest target, *NOT* the tank or the 1st person who entered the wormhole and forgot to cloak.

Or even go for the logistics first :/

I thought the mudflation comment at the end meant it wouldn't work, although I'd be all for giving lowsec a purpose so it's not just that worthless space you can get ganked in but they take a sec hit between 0.0 and hisec.

It wouldn't work because increasing the metal output of the minors would lower prices per unit (or lead to fewer people mining).  It also wouldn't help low-sec vs. high-sec or 0.0 mining because there are few ore types unique to low-sec.

--Dave

The skill training system we came up with allows you to queue skills that will start training in the next 24 hours. You can enter in up to 50 skills in a queue, as long as they all start training within 24 hours. This leaves room to start a skill that will take 6 hours, followed with one that takes 12 to complete. With only 18 hours of training prepared, the queue still has room to start another skill.

 If you train a skill the old fashioned way (by activating a skill as you do now without the queue window) it will still be listed in the queue as the top skill; the skill you are training now. If you don´t add a follow-up skill then you´d have to come back when that skill is finished. You can still start training skills from your normal character sheet without entering the queue.

(http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/devblog/img/skillqueue_final2.png)

What does the 1x, 2x and 3x mean? How often a skill fits into the timeframe, level-wise?

What does the 1x, 2x and 3x mean? How often a skill fits into the timeframe, level-wise?

I'm training up missiles atm and the 20minute skills are bugging the shit out of me.

That screen shot looks off.  Paint targeting has less than 800 points to go but its bar is 14+ hours.

/me risks getting flamed "I think it's not a bad idea actually" shame they didn't bring it in last patch though.

Oh it's a fantastic idea that should have been implemented *years* ago and has been repeatedly asked for by the players ever since I can remember. But Gets is absolutely right, CCP will fuck it up, guarantee it.

Oh it's a fantastic idea that should have been implemented *years* ago and has been repeatedly asked for by the players ever since I can remember. But Gets is absolutely right, CCP will fuck it up, guarantee it.

It's not the skill queue that is a good idea it's the implementation I approve of, think of how many short shitty skills you can fit in the space of 24 hours.

The short queue is certainly a step to a larger one as well.  Really 24h seems fine to me, I can't think of a ton of situations where you would need something larger, just set a long skill if you aren't going to be around.

They name the expansion after you but that isn't enough, is it??

How about 'you are going away for a week, and don't need to train a V right now'?

reallocating stats surprised me (though I think I was just out of the loop)

Say what?  Is this the end of Achura?

Say what?  Is this the end of Achura?

Stats are no longer tied to your character race as far as i can tell. You may re-assign them for 5m isk every 6 months. You must have 1 point in every stat and have a base of 4. So 5 +/- whatever. You also get a nifty bar that tells you how well you've trained your learning skills and how much implants you have in.

New characters start with 50k skillpoints and train at double speed until they have made up the difference(so purpose built alts are much easier especially with the queue, and capital training gets a big block knocked off as you can have your primary skills at 5 for your train)

So yea, Achura fleet comes to an end March 10th.

Sounds interesting. I'd like to see them grandfather learning skills too and build the bonuses into base stat packages instead. It's a pointless cockblock really.

This. They were an okay idea, but evolved into skills you must train all off, and effectively don't get any progression out of. So essentially, newer players are told to spend 2 months in a frigate mining, instead of seeing the stuff that actually makes Eve interesting.

Same goes for many of the fitting skills, Navigation, Science, Mechanics, etc etc. Anything that is just something you need to 5 on every character is a mistake.

I'd mark all these skills as 'base new player skills' in the UI, then make them all train 5 times faster. 

I might spend a month doing cha related skills then move it all to perception.

Stats are no longer tied to your character race as far as i can tell. You may re-assign them for 5m isk every 6 months. You must have 1 point in every stat and have a base of 4. So 5 +/- whatever. You also get a nifty bar that tells you how well you've trained your learning skills and how much implants you have in.

New characters start with 50k skillpoints and train at double speed until they have made up the difference(so purpose built alts are much easier especially with the queue, and capital training gets a big block knocked off as you can have your primary skills at 5 for your train)

So yea, Achura fleet comes to an end March 10th.

What is the 'difference' in relation too? Your main? Some general 'SP Average' across the game?

I'll be the first to say that giving new characters 50k SP and double training speed until 800k is fucking retarded.  Whoever thought that was a good idea should have their testicles dangled in front of a feral cat.  Now, if characters could insta-train any skills up until 800k, I'd be on board, but bringing back the massive noob cockblock is a horrid idea, they're going backwards.

Yeah, I'm a bit curious what the 50k are and how painful this is going to make it for brand new players.  How long do 750k worth of skills take to train (I guess divided by two for the 2x training thing)?...

So Amarr, the T3 basic hulls are essentially the same as their T1 and T2 counterparts?

The training multiplier only effects the amount of sp you need to finish a skill, your attributes effect the amount of SP you can generate, so you could train anywhere from 10-80k a day. A balanced character with good learning and affordable implants should do about 45-50k a day.

Ye gods.  So ~2 weeks for a new 50kSP character to catch up with a new character created with the 800kSP new character system we have today.  That's pretty obnoxious.

But that new character will be much better focused with less wasted skills.  Sounds like it will be GREAT for stuff like making VCBees, POS gunner alts, Cyno alts etc...

But that new character will be much better focused with less wasted skills.  Sounds like it will be GREAT for stuff like making VCBees, POS gunner alts, Cyno alts etc...

I notced new (I think) racial navy doctrine skills in the leadership skillgroup in Evemon (showing non-public skills).  I wonder if that is related to T3 (a command ship type module for bonuses).

Evemon which should be fully updated isn't showing them for me & not on SISI either.

That was wishful eve-o thinking.

If your ship gets all blowed up, you lose one level in one of the 5 T3 subsystem skills chosen at random.

T3 bonuses are linked to the five subsystems and associated skills.

Well, never mind then.  Loosing a potential 30+ day train means T3 ships will never be flown in combat.

your revamped rookie – coming to an asteroid field near you! – part one
reported by CCP Fear | 2009.02.18 12:47:04 | NEW | Comments

Hello all!

Apocrypha is on the horizon and we are getting closer and closer to the final list of changes that will be popping up in March. But as usual, I get to talk about the New Player Experience (NPE).

I want to get one misconception out of the way. This blog will concern you and everyone else. If you have played for a year, 6 years, 3 months or a week, you will want to read further than this. Chances are there will be changes that will affect you! Although NPE in it‘s very existence focuses on the new player and how they are introduced to EVE, this can have an effect on older players as well. Many believe that the NPE extends only to the first 5 minutes. With some games, this might be true. But as we have all gone through the first months of EVE and often thought; „oh my, this game is too hard!"

This is something we want to help with. Our goal is to ease players into the game and not intimidate them with a hundred choices in the first minute. Start with the basics and then leave them to decide on their destiny. A true sandbox experience. Give them a shovel and a rake, and let them dig in.

Character creation

The biggest change you will probably notice is character creation. For the past few years, the process of creating your character has been a multi-step process with a lot of choices. Choices that were intimidating, to say the least, for anyone who had never played EVE before. You needed to choose a race, sex, bloodline, ancestry, career, specialization, school, and allocate free attribute points. You also had to select a name, read about the 30 skills and the 800K skill points you received from this experience.

For Apocrypha, we simplified this process. We eliminated choices that had no effect on you whatsoever and moved these choices to a more appropriate time where you could make an informed decision. You are in charge of your destiny.

We have simplified the UI, moving all choices into one screen. I think you will be quite surprised with the functionality, as it works quite well. We went through a whole fully functional "new" version of character creation before we re-did the whole thing again. These changes will be on SISI pretty soon (if they haven't arrived already) so I urge you to give it a try.

We have removed the School, Career and Specialization completely. These added quite a bit of complexity. Players were required to select these without knowing what to expect. Many times, people would choose blindly, leading them to feel let down or disappointed later on.

We have moved the allocation of the 5 free attribute points. A new player has no idea what the attributes means and, as many of you probably have done, assigned 3 to charisma because it must be awesome!

Skills received from character creation have been re-visited and removed, many of which were irrelevant to new players. Just to name one skill that a certain path could get - Who needs Siege Warfare when you are fresh out of military school? Are you going to siege a POS in your Velator?

These choices, all important, are better made once you have a true understanding of how things work in EVE. Once you know what you want to do, what you want to fly and so on, that is when you should decide on your career and skills. And it is better that you understand what the attributes do, before you start fiddling with them.

Skills and attributes

In our newest build, a player gets about 50K skill points from character creation. This might change, depending on testing. But we will be reducing the 800K quite substantially. New players should not feel intimidated by their skills, and they should be given a chance to decide, on their own, exactly what skills and path they want to go down. As a result, you will be able to create an alt which is more focused and get there quicker than before, as you can decide exactly what skills to train.

I will talk more about the skills and their effects in my next blog.

Your attributes will be very similar between the races once you start out, but now you will get to change them. A new player will have the opportunity to respec his attributes twice. This allows a new player to change previous decisions they made resulting from not knowing the system.

Once a year, you - and everyone else - can take 14 attribute points, and re-arrange them within reason. Attributes can be set at values anywhere from 5 to 15. This means, that every year, you can take all your spare charisma points and put them into perception if you so please. Or the other way around.

Careers - the sandbox way!

As I mentioned before, in the existing system players chose a career before even the first 10 minutes of play and, as with many games, it is an important choice. But with EVE, as you know, you can become anything you wish. You can move from shooting players to mining at any time. You are not bound by any restrictions by your "career." It gives the false impression that you are deciding on something, which then doesn't mean a thing in the world of New Eden.

However, you can learn about these particular career paths. As before, we will have 10 missions per career, which will teach you the basics of Industry, Business and Military occupations. These have been revamped, and are all available to you. You can go through them all if you want, or just one, or none. Your choice and your destiny.

This concludes the first part of the Apocrypha NPE overview blogs. There will be more from my design counterparts and myself in the coming weeks, so stay tuned.

Until then!

Just to name one skill that a certain path could get - Who needs Siege Warfare when you are fresh out of military school? Are you going to siege a POS in your Velator?

Once a year, you can re-allocate skills? Once a YEAR? Seriously? Don't you think that's a bit, uh, long term? Like, so long term no one is going to give a shit beyond their initial Actura charisma-dump-stat re-allocation? You're basically going to be on the verge of your NEXT expansion by time this feature can be used!

Well new players get two free respecs which I'd imagine are additional to the yearly respec that everyone gets. For existing characters the yearly respec is still infinitely better than the current no respecs ever situation. I know I'll be using it to siphon some of my excess charisma into willpower and memory, for many players it is an opportunity to balance out some extremes. For an existing player making a new alt you can also start by loading up int and memory to get your learning skills out of the way, then respec for extreme charisma to get social and leadership skills then finally respec to a more rounded build for general training beyond that - and you'll still have your free yearly respec if you want to go to a third kookie stat distribution before settling down.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=995241&page=2#43

Double speed will allow you to "catch up" to those pre-apocrypha in about 40 days, which is at 1.6 million SP. This is calculated at total SP though so you can go more than 40 days if you don't spend all days training.

That it is going to take 40 days of training to get to where a new player is now on finishing their character is absolutely one of the dumbest things ever.

NERF NEWBIES!!!  Who needs them!

The stat re-allocation isn't as big a deal as the immense reduction in skill points.  This game is painfully boring to new players and re-erecting this barrier to entry is uttlery pointless.  CCP needs to encourage more folks to immediately get involved in PvP, because it is the crux of the game and the most interesting part.  The PvP is just terrible and I can't imagine any changes that they are contemplating that will make it any better.  This also sucks because:

1.  It increases the disparity between new players and the vets, seriously, how can a new EVER plan to compete with someone who has 100 million SP?  Doubling SP acquisition to 1.6 million is no where NEAR enough.   I say make it to 20-40 million.

2.  It makes new players almost completely useless to established alliances looking to recruit into the 0.0 game.  A 50,000 SP can barely fly a newbie frigate, and will be of marginal use even as a tackler/miner.

Seriously CCP, no one wants to wade through an extra month of your shitty PvE, why don't you get this?

There is a solid 1-2m of 'support' skills that you simply need before you can fly ANY ship semi-effectively. I think a lot of people forget how painful it is with no SP. Oh, you can't equip X because you need 100k of support skills to fill the preequs, where X is everything from BCS to invuln fields to armor repair to MWDs to cruiser weapons. Seriously basic shit requires III-IV in stuff like electronics, navigation, repair, shield, weapon upgrades, each taking 4 days or so of training - a whole SLEW of things that just means more pain for the newbie.

In fact, the whole skill system qualifies as "a good idea at the time..." as regards to absolute necessity t1 basic loadouts. I almost quit after getting my caracal - training for days just to get in the hull, then more training to be able to equip the heavy missile launchers. I get all ready to go, ready for an evening's of missions, I go to try and use them an OH WAIT the MISSILES require heavy missiles skill to be put in the launcher - that's another 8 hours training - I guess I'll go do something else tonight, fuck this game.

Double speed training doesn't even come close to offsetting it. Give them even MORE skills. Just give them L3 in ALL the support skills. Who cares? Does anyone really find 'book hunting' and logging in every 2 hours for training of a new skill that much fun? No, it's not. It's tedious. It's tedious to try and figure out what skills you need, which skills are good, and which can be passed up later. You end up having to use an external program to plan a skill training path, even (ESPECIALLY!) as a newbie. Lower the god damned bar to entry already.

1. Remove basic learning skills, or give everyone learning IV to start.

If you thought that was retarded wait until you hear the details of W space, which i will now go over to explain how retarded they are

1. You cannot leave W space if you do not have a scanner, don't worry if you die, the sleepers will POD you.
2. There is nothing in the "belts" no ore, no rats
3. Local is in delayed mode
4. You have to find encounters using some sort of scanner


So basically its totally retarded and CCP has no fucking clue what they want out of it. The sleeper AI is supposedly good, but its also pretty much raid content that is going to destroy your triage repping carrier gang.

Every time CCP does something like this they just confirm to me that the success of EVE was a fluke. How much do you want to bet that this next game they're working on is a huge flop?

If I were CCP, here is how I'd fix it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: CCP do NOT want EVE to be massively popular. They've had very slow, but very consistent growth now for years. They know that if their subs rocketed that they simply wouldn't be able to cope in any way, so slow, steady growth in a small niche is what they're happy with. The harsh, harsh newbie experience is their main weapon in keeping things like that.

I suspect that the top CCP honchos see EVE as their first run and that they're hoping their next MMO will be the big money-spinner. EVE is the tech-demo. Ambulation is a good example - it will serve no useful purpose in EVE whatsoever but it'll be awesome experience for CCP for the next game.

Either that or they're all insane gibbering morons.

    That's not how I intend to keep the rest of my gang safe. I'll be doing heavy scanning anyways so the fact that I have to press the scanning button isn't a byproduct of delayed local but more a byproduct of wormhole space. If you don't want to press that button you really shouldn't go there in the first place, whether you intend to roam or run plexes.

However, that doesn't really answer my question at all. The fact that you cannot be bothered to scan regularly does not shaft PvE plex runners when it comes to roaming gangs and the fact that local is delayed. I'm pretty sure some industrious people will figure out great setups for staying safe. Humans are pretty adaptive and inventive.
Besides, as unrelated as the argument is, it applies to both sides. If it's universally true that nobody wants to press that button more than once a day that has to apply to roamers as well. They will NOT have the patience to triangulate the plex runner ships if they've got the patience to do a deep scan for ship presence in the first place. You seem to think that it's enough to enter the system, press scan and all the plex-runners go *pop*. That's just not how it is.

Besides, you could always have fun with leaving a couple of Hulks by an armed POS. Wink

Edit:
As to alliances bringing in their blobs and pwning everything that's running PvE missions...
First of all you need to keep in mind that blobs are pre-nerfed due to mass restrictions. But if they manage to find a wormhole that will accept their blob, and they want to go punk plex runners rather than take to their frontlines.. I have no problem with that. As always, we only provide tools. Tools can be sharp instruments with edges on both sides. I for one will be the first to lol when alliances start losing space because half their fleet is locked inside of Sleeper Space ganking carebears. Twisted Evil

CCP Prism X
CCP    
Posted - 2009.02.19 15:31:00
  
you really shouldn't go there in the first place

So, ugh...

Lowsec gets boosted with 500k BS rats, 0.0 gets nerfed by having all regions equal (some are "more equal than others" right now) and you can no longer chain belts, because belt rats warp in and out at will.

"We've taken the opportunity to completely revamp the way system truesec works. As such, all 0.0 regions now have roughly the same chance of spawning faction and officer rats. In the vast majority of regions this resulted in a significant buff to those making their income via ratting. We consider this a large improvement to the risk/reward of living in 0.0 space. However, in the process we did find and address a database error that was causing far more rare spawns than intended in certain NPC regions, such as Delve."

viable ewar support shutting down 5 ships with a reasonable armour buffer

Bolded the funny parts.

Bolded the funny parts.

Can't find this quote on any recent blogs or posts. Where are you looking?

Whether its a rumor or not, I think it will happen. CCP have always favoured Bob and from what Ive seen, seem to detest Goons.

It's going to be hilarious when CCP's pet economist spends six months trying to figure out why T3 costs an order of magnitude or two more than CCP expected.

It's hilarious to see CCP 5 years behind everyone else in terms of gameplay thinking. Their success really was a fluke.

It is retarded that they are allowing new players to start without learning skills.

If new players don't have any points in learning half of them won't even realise the books exist for a month or two.

To fix this...

They need to give everyone a few levels in each of the basic learning skills, then they need to add a second 100% speed bonus whenever you are training learning skills, then they need to increase period of double speed learning to around 4M points.

Oh, and they should let people pick between the old and new way for creating a character. You'll soon see which is 'better for players'.


This.

Or they could just fucking remove learning skills altogether, and boost stats by 10 across the board.

10 is not the maximum benefit from learning skills. Not by a long shot.

Am I missing something on the stat learning skills then? basic+advanced are each +1 per, and go to level 5, by my maths thats +10 to each stat.

I saw a pic of someones char stats the other day.  I thought that sitting in the 18ish range (when in a implant clone) was about as good as I could reasonable do, this guy was in the 28ish range.

That's a really big difference in training time.  I may need to go back and fill in some gaps, though I'll probably never have +5's in.

I bet he's an Intaki like me and made his character before there were giant how-to guides all over the web telling us to take charisma as low as possible.

Why yes, I am looking forward to being able to rearrange my stats!

Gallente/Gallente and yes, I didn't check out any building guides before I rolled it. Annoyingly though I used my discretionary points to smooth out my starting stats then I got a bunch of new bonuses in the screens that followed and I didn't realise until much later that I had such a skewed build. The order of character creation should be different so that you spend your discretionary points after you've got your 'final' stats from race and bloodline etc.

Remind me when this is being rolled out?  I want to finish WC V and get armor linking IV before it hits.

CCP can compete against Blizzard in terms of production schedules and promptness in patching.

I'm scared to think how badass the Minmatar one will be.

Whats skills should we be preparing for maxing out other than the obvious? i.e. HAC V or BC 5 ?

Well, I luckily maxed out my char for exploration, so I'm sort of looking forward to profiting off this  :why_so_serious:.

Fuck actually flying the god damn things.

Don't  condemn the ships before subsystems 4 & 5 are out.
Word is of cloaking boni and Khanid Legions.

The ability to be cynoed around by a black ops would be pretty neat, too, but that's wishful thinking.

Where do tech 3 ships fit in?

I think I have to answer this in more detail and explain our current limitations and goals.

As you know we're limited to three subsystems in the March 10th release. The fourth subsystem will then follow very shortly. With the first 3 subsystems we're trying to create useful baseline setups options, which don't stray far off the racial flavor that currently exists in EVE.

Strategic Cruisers are not meant to take over roles. They're not supposed to be better than their Recon counterparts. They're not supposed to be better than their HAC counterparts. They're not supposed to be better than their commandship counterparts. They are meant to fulfill multiple roles. They are focused on heat, which means they are meant to fulfill those roles properly for a (not so) limited time.

Selecting which bonuses belonged in the first iteration was not an easy task. We had different racial sensor strengths in the first release, it got cut. With three subsystems, we knew one would have a racial EW bonus, we just couldn't justify it. Once we've got a solid baseline, we can start thinking about the fourth variation (which I believe will enter the game before Tech 3 ships become a common commodity).

We've got plenty of ideas (too many) concerning the roles for the upcoming subsystems, but I'll leave that discussion for a later thread.

The assembly of the ships has become a great annoyance to me. Even though having proper descriptions with correct bonuses in-game will make things much easier; I still think the usability is a bit off-putting. Hopefully in the future we can combine the assembly window somehow with the fitting screen and add information about bonuses so you can see the bonuses and slot layout as you go.

While I’m at it I might add something about the prices of Strategic Cruisers. The goal has always been to have them considerably cheap, around the price of tech 2 cruisers. The subsystem cost will be about 1/8th of the hull itself, we want people to own multiple subsystems to mix and match as they see fit. If the price gets out of hand (we can’t even predict it accurately ourselves) we’ll do something about it.

What we’re looking for from you guys is inconsistencies in attributes and bonuses. Tell us why the attributes don’t make sense with the bonuses and what we can do to improve them.

PS.
I'm falling in love with Proteus 13131 (fitting screen top to bottom).


PPS.
I'm at home now without access to a Singularity client, but I'll be in tomorrow and will hopefully be able to give you some numbers.

Is it me or does Nozh sound somewhat disappointed with the entire strategic cruiser concept?

There's currently a few fits on the Gallente and Amarr ship that are nuts, like you can configure seven turrets but it's impossible to wrangle even seven of the smallest sized ones on and still have PG/CPU for the MWD booster and tank, you also end up with some horrible slot layouts like 8-4-4.

If he has new roles for t3 ships, what the fuck would be wrong with putting them on new t1/t2 ships?

If he doesn't mean new-to-the-game roles, I don't see how they aren't linearly better versions of existing ships, which is also tiresome.

There are some good gallente fits. The Amarr ones all suck, you can get 6 turrets without the cap to fire them or the slots to make your ship half decent, or you can get 4 turrets and slum around with tech 1 cruiser DPS and more slots.

You an make 8/4/7 gallente blaster boats however with 6 or 7 turrets...

No, it sounds (to me) like they wanted T3 ships to be like WoW shamans - able to perform as DPS, healer, tank, or CC without the need to dock (respec).  But what they're implementing is more like druids, where you need to dock to change from tank spec to healy spec.  But anyway, without using wow-speak (some may hate it), it sounds like the two major things that T3 ships have going for themselves are:

- they can perform multiple roles (even if they have to dock to change roles).
- no more recognizing, just from the name (Arazu!!), what your enemy is capable of.

They've fixed up the Legion you can do some nice things with it now and having just lost one I lost 67k SP this time from a level IV subsystem which is about 12 hours training so not so bad actually.

Probing is pretty sweet looking now it's been totally revamped. The launchers only use 15 CPU so you can fit all sorts of other stuff to your covops you only have one type of probe available you change the range of it in the scanner screen. The probe scan range sphere on the map has been updated nicely and it's seems to be a lot faster I'm just getting my head around it now but it's all looking good so far. Not to mention being able to recall probes and switching between solar system map and universe map is a helluva lot faster than before.

Wait, can I still launch all my probes from one launcher (like my sisters scan probe launcher), or do I need a special launcher to look for wormholes now?

The launchers only use 15 CPU for the ones that only scan for wormholes/plexes. Its there so that everyone can fit the requisite scanner required for you to actually go into wormhole space and successfully leave.

So have the SpreadSheet gods figured out if the new or current new character system is superior?

Male Khanid have that psuedo stormtrooper look going for them, with their hood/mask thing.

They look pretty good without it.

See; My avatar.

We are anti booster, so I guess it does not matter.  Maybe one day ccp will give us a bit of a boost, after all, not every system has an outpost yet.  This expansion has nothing of interest for me =(

New Blog About Scanning:

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=642

I initially read it as New Blog About Scamming...  :awesome_for_real:

From reading that, I get the impression that you can launch probes from your current
position and warp them to target areas to scan, rather than warping there yourself
and launching the probe. Am I reading this correctly?

Also being able to recover probes rather than just tossing them away is rather tasty if you're rather frugal or in a situation where resupply is a pain (null sec)

Patch is available for download now, time to see if Eve has been destroyed!!!

Well my main character can't log in anymore. I just had to petition about it on an alt.  Hurray for database problems!

I'm slightly concerned that I could only see a download for premium when I actually want premium lite

Skills that finished training during downtime reverted to 0SP.

...  One of our teams landed in the drone regions.  That is a long ride home.

I like the sound effects but I've noticed a few issues so far.

- Unsure when warp is beginning / ending because the sound effects are too low or don't happen.

- Autocannon sound working intermittently

- Gate activation / cloak sounds inaudible (yes I have the settings up LOUD!!!)

Is there a way to disable the new watery effects of tower shields.  Neat at first, annoying after a minute or two.  The new fitting screen is ok.  You can import/export overview settings now (in theory).  You can also make ship setups for your corp?  Wormholes?  Who cares?  One of our teams landed in the drone regions.  That is a long ride home.

Well I relisted my attributes so they make more sense other than 24 intelligence and everything else at 16.

However I lost carrier 5  :heartbreak:. I petitioned but ccp wil give me a patented fuck off.n*sigh*

And I wonder why I've started playing other games again...

With a bit of direction from WJK and Alexander Omega, I am now in a w-system and anchoring a POS. After trying to collapse the wormhole and trap some PL/Goons, Alexander and I ended up stuck ourselves. After two hours of probing we found a wormhole to empire. So far the empire wormholes has been stable and a trickle of pubbies has been coming in through it. I intend to setup base here in an arazu + bubble and gank people. Anyone that wants in on this let me know and I will tell you where you can enter from.

I claim this unknown system in the name of 8yo and the lobby crew. WJK and Alexander Omega are honorary founding members and are welcome to join the fun and use the tower whenever they want to.

Update: The system is [redacted]

Another thing I've noticed since the patch is the kill mails have gone a little funny. I don't know whether it was lag in the systems in question, which was significantly terrible, or relating to the patch itself but people on KM's in the gang I flew with last night were finding some erratic DPS on the mails. Some that were shooting the targets for some time show on the KM for 0 DPS.

Review for parents:
Not for kids! Very inappropriate player content and online interaction!
CCP are jerks for releasing this as 12+ ESRB. Not for kids!

Game creator is CCP, Iceland.

I agree that CCP created Game Content is ESRB Teen, However...
This game and CCP intentionally exploits a major loophole in the ESRB called Player Content. ESRB does not rate player content. Write the ESRB today to complain their policies.
Player Content is ESRB Mature+
CCP communicates and promotes a sexual, perverted, profane and drunken adult social community in this game. Bars and Night clubs are coming out within a year. View their fanfest 2008 dominination video on youtube to real people getting their heads blown off.

You have read what the game is about. Here is what kind of Player content your child will be exposed to.
The average age in game is high, about 28.
A group called SomethingAwful (search internet, CEO is in jail) largely controls the game at the moment and will have access to your child.
They run the largest in game entity called GoonSwarm, (youtube, somethingawful forums).
This sick organizations members and CCP are extremely perverted and have inundated the game with inappropriate player content.
Their members have a majority of the Game Manager positions working for CCP in Iceland and ignore all parental complaints.

Your child will be exposed to:
Inappropriate chat discussions
Inappropriate voice discussions (both the games integrated voice chat, teamspeak, and ventrilo)
Links to porn sites in chat
Sexual stories from other players

Inappropriate Jokes to include: Racism, Sex, Politics, Drugs.
Your child will "hear" people doing drugs.
Your child will "hear" people drunk.
CCP the maker of eve will broadcast fanfest events through the ingame voice system. Your child will hear inappropriate things during their presentations.
While flying through space systems your child will see and be overwhelmed with content named with inappropriate names. I once saw someone had their ships out and they were all named a modified version of penis.

You will not be able to protect your child:
There is "No" in-game method or mechanism to shield your child from this player content.
There are "No" chat filters
The same person that posts links to porn will be talking to your child

I am a long time player of MMO's and of all the games I have played this game is the worst for nasty player content and interaction with a shocking lowest ESRB rating. In comparison to other companies CCP does absolutely nothing to counter this type of behavior. Not even a chat filter. Don't buy this for your kids unless they are 18.

Just for a simple comparison for parents if I had to choose the lesser of two evils between Grand Theft Auto and Eve Online I would have to go with Grand Theft Auto.

With the box release there's a small side-effect that we didn't anticipate on when putting EVE on the shelf for soccer moms to pick up. Mr. J Gardner in an Amazon.com review (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A24WU5YF374TTI/ref=cm_pdp_rev_all?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview) is very angry that CCP "released" this game with an ESRB rating for Teens.


Hey, now, hold on there for a second, some of the blame should be put on Jade Constantine for opening up a chain of space brothels and we haven't had people doing drugs and being drunk for everyone to "hear" since Suas left  (http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-colbert.gif)

An Anarchyyt > We were in our w-space system
An Anarchyyt > The only wormhole in there lead to the same system
An Anarchyyt > But it wouldn't actually jump through ours
An Anarchyyt > Like it said jumping, but we just sat there

I'd just be happy if they got Jita back online.

Has anyone mentioned how hilarious the bumping of capital ships has been?

The skill queue has made my training soooo much more efficient. 

I had a problem for a while where I'd set a short then a long skill, go to work, come home, note that Evemon was reporting my long skill was training on schedule, but upon login found out that I was not training any skill.  That hasn't happened lately thankfully.

It has been a godsend though - I am able to pick up a lot of the piddly 2/3s that take 1-6 hrs that I needed, but that under the old system you had to strictly schedule yourself to be around when they finished.

The Life and Death of the first Proteus.

http://killboard.caldarimilitia.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=101149

http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Siigari+Kitawa&id=6274378&page=1&filter=losses#mail

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1030997&page=5

Core probes only hit exploration sites - signatures (wormholes, profession sites, complexes, hidden belts/gas) or anomalies (mini-plexes).

I know I've seen structure hits when using Deep Space probes. I haven't tried combat probes yet as they're weaker than cores for exploration sites, and I only really need to know if there's other folks in my sites before warping to them - deep spaces work just fine for that.

# Every scan result will now get a unique ID allowing you to manage and sort scan results with greater ease. You can now filter this unique ID and ignore all other results when scanning for certain signatures.

Woot! \o/

Need for Speed

    * Major market hubs will benefit from a significant increase in performance with changes to the client that result in fewer database calls and a more streamlined performance.

Tech 3

    * The fourth offensive subsystem will allow the fitting of covert ops cloaking devices and the ability to use covert ops jump bridges.
    * The fourth defensive subsystem will provide a bonus to warfare links.
    * The fourth propulsion subsystem will provide immunity against non-targeted warp disruption fields, interdictor spheres or anchored bubbles.
    * The fourth engineering subsystem will give you a bonus to heat damage reduction allowing you to overheat your modules for longer.
    * The fourth electronic subsystem will provide bonus to equip an expanded probe launcher and gain a 10% scan strength bonus to probes per level
    * The "Legion Offensive - Convergent Beam Focuser” subsystem has been renamed to “Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization” and now gains a bonus to Heavy assault missile damage and missile launcher rate of fire following a new Khanid focus.

Ships

    * The Falcon has gained one addition turret slot.
    * A 10m3 drone bay / 10 mbit drone bandwidth has been added to the Falcon.
    * The ECM strength bonus has been increased to 30% per recon ships skill level for the Falcon.
    * The ECM Optimal range bonus has been switched to a 5% Hybrid Damage bonus on the Falcon.
    * A 25m3 drone bay / 25 mbit drone bandwidth has been added to the Rook.
    * 100 base hit points have been added to the shield of the Rook.
    * The ECM Optimal Range bonus has been swapped for a 5% Rate of Fire bonus to Heavy and Heavy Assault launchers per Caldari cruiser skill level for the Rook.
    * The ECM strength bonus has been increased to 30% per level on the Rook.
    * The ECM optimal bonus has been switched to 20% ECM optimal and falloff range bonus per level for the Scorpion.
    * The ECM strength bonus has been changed to 30% per level for the Widow
    * Stealth Bombers have had their role refocused to be anti-battleship role. They now equip siege missile launchers and use torpedoes instead of cruise missiles which allow them to inflict large volley damage against big targets and gain the ability to equip a covert ops cloak so can warp around whilst cloaked. In addition bombs have been made cheaper and the bomb launcher can now be equipped in any of the bombers high slots along with other changes to aid them.
    * Stealth Bombers now gain a bonus to fitting siege missile launchers instead of cruise missile launchers.
    * Stealth Bombers can fit and use a covert ops cloak allowing them to warp whilst cloaked.
    * Stealth Bombers now have a 15% bonus to damage for racial torpedoes per covert ops skill.
    *
    * Stealth Bombers now have a flight time and velocity bonus to torpedoes. The power grid and cpu fitting attributes have been adjusted for all Stealth Bombers.
    * The base velocity of Stealth Bombers has been increased.
    * Bomb launchers can now be fitted to any high slot on the bomber.
    * Covert cynosural fields can now be activated in cynojammed systems allowing black ops ships to jump or bridge other covert ops ships into the cynojammed system.
    * Black Ops ships have received an increase to their base scan resolution attribute allowing them to lock faster.
    * Black Ops ships have gained +100m3 to their cargo bay.
    * The Black Ops base jump fuel cost has been decreased from 400 to 300 units per light year.

Modules

User Interface

    * All linked tutorials will now say "wiki" as opposed to EVElopedia.
    * Every scan result will now get a unique ID allowing you to manage and sort scan results with greater ease. You can now filter this unique ID and ignore all other results when scanning for certain signatures.
    * It is now possible to bookmark a 100% signature hit remotely via right click in the context menu. In addition, the scanner will remember signatures which were scanned at 100% so that they are not lost on subsequent scans.
    * The range for scooping items from a wreck or container has been increased from 1500m to 2500m. In addition the scoop range for drones has also been increased to 2500m

    * The ECM Optimal range bonus has been switched to a 5% Hybrid Damage bonus on the Falcon.

# Drones will now attack only the target assigned to them. In other words, drones will not just wander of and attack whatever they want. They will follow your wishes to the letter.

No more drones saving you from damps.

If that does what it says it does every Domi mission run in hi-sec just threw-up.

Heh, hah....ha...AH HA HA HA.

Heh..also supposedly someone posted a fitting for a T3 ship using the new subsystems that would be an uncatcheable covert ops cloaking anti-support sniper.

This latest patch is making me suspect something odd is going on at CCP.  Like they are becoming competent and aware of what people want....naahh...couldn't be.

Hi there 'The Blockade' where you regularly have <15km lock ranges even with a sensor booster active due to the 5 or more damps on you at any one time.

If you are experiencing a "black screen" issue, then try downloading and applying this patch http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/evepremiumpatch88517-88737_m.exe to update from Apocrypha 1.2 to a new 1.2.1. We believe this will resolve the issue.

Please note that this patch has not had a lot of testing yet, so I strongly recommend that you make a backup copy of your EVE folder before applying the patch.

I guess when I get a problem it isn't so much switching targets, but I'll tell them to engage target_1 and only 3 of them will; the other 2 will bugger off and attack something different.

We're aware of this issue, and that it is affecting a lot of our players, and we're hard at work fixing it. The only "workaround" currently available is to log out and then log back in. We currently do not have a deployment date for a fix to this issue.

Multiple changes have been made to the anchoring and onlining of starbase modules and structures. All offensive starbase structure anchoring times have been reduced by 50% and all offensive starbase structure online times have also been reduced by 50%. Defensive starbase structures such as hardeners will have their anchoring, online and un-anchor times reduced by 50%. Finally, all starbase tower un-anchoring times have been reduced by 50%.

Apocrypha 1.3 patchnotes - http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=27280&sid=7472114a69e7968b8a1db0585031e785


Great timing as always, CCP.

They are just trying to make BOBs comeback easier  :grin:

Rig devblog: My Rifter is fit with the following rigs... (http://cooln.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3693048)

We wanted to call attention to some extensive changes to the amounts that cargo holds will be able to hold on certain ships. Please be advised that if, after Apocrypha 1.5 is deployed, your ship's cargo hold is too full, you will be stuck in space.

Carriers, dreadnoughts, titans, and Motherships class ships base cargo capacity are affected by this change. The affected ships are:

Motherships: Nyx, Hel, Wyvern, Aeon
Carriers: Archon, Chimera, Thanatos, Nidhoggur
Dreadnoughts: Revelation, Phoenix, Moros, Naglfar
Titans: Leviathan, Erebus, Ragnarok, Avatar
Black Ops: Redeemer, Widow, Sin, Panther
Jump Freighters: Ark, Rhea, Anshar, Nomad
Apocrypha 1.5 has a long list of changes and additions. Be sure to review them prior to deployment on Thursday, August 20, 2009. You may discuss the upcoming patch in this thread.

You can now fully rig out a destroyer with salvage tackles for approx 5m, rig a rifter with 45% more armour for approx 5m or a hauler with 45% cargo boost for 30m. I like these changes.

Salvage tackles started at 9m as we all raced to populate the market.  Made me about 150m in the first couple hours.  :grin:

Damn nice, yeh the initial prices are gonna be :uhrr: But once they flood the market looking at around 1.5-2.5m per small rig.