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And for some reason, I'm OK with that.

Wtf Johannson thread w/ no pics.

(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3609/vanwilderwl2.jpg)

Van wilder is one of those guys you just can't hate, I only hope that if goes south, he leaks all the nekkid pictures.

Hell, hope, he's Van Wilder, he might leak em anyways!   :drill:

I love that kid. He seems like a decent actor, and cracks me up to no end. My blessings. As long as he doesn't prevent her from accepting numerous offers for full frontal nudity. Soon.

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He's very cute.  I have no idea who he is.  I googled and found I still don't know who he is.  But he's very cute.  I've seen her in a couple of films and she's okay.  I might be too old for this thread.  So is WAP.  Get out of this thread, WAP, and put on some clothes!

Is that photo from a tutorial on photoshop?

He buffed up for Blade 3.

Still shopped. Or maybe they just used the old trick of drawing on his body to accentuate the muscles. Yes they really do that.

I don't know. He was pretty much lil' hulk in B3.

All professional photographs of that sort are shopped and use lighting/makeup tricks. That's just the business.

Heh, yeah, that pic looks really fake.. like it was merged with some dude from Men's Health...

I'm sure it's real though. If Christian Bale can go from this:

(http://www.socalworkout.com/wpblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/155113__machinist_l.jpg)

To this

(http://www.socalworkout.com/wpblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/cin_bale.jpg)

In 6 months, then that guy up there can at least gain some lean muscle mass and lose his body fat. As long as there's a will, rich actors have some of the best training options around.

Didn't he do it the other way around?

Nope, he was American Psycho sized before... Then starved himself, ate only tuna and smoked alot.. then dropped to like 120 or something. Then after that, he prepared for Batman and gained like 100 lbs in 6 months.

[edit] Not to take anything away from that accomplishment, but his physique in Batman isn't supertoned or anything. You can see he packed on some body fat too, and possibly had a heavy dose of creatine... There's a bloated/watery look to his muscles. That, along with some consistent weight training could get him to that point... But it'd still take some serious self-asskicking to do it. He mentioned not even being able to do just one pushup when he first got started.

It's almost impossible to be "super toned" and that big.  He's much bigger than Van Wilder in the above pic.  Body builders can only manage it for short periods before shows.  Of course, I'm speaking in generalities as freaks of nature do exist. 

Besides, since he was wearing the suit the whole time, being extremely cut wouldn't help him much.  He probably needed to look as big as possible inside the suit.  But that's speculation.  Either way, going from the Machinist to Batman is one of the great miracles of our time. 

I ballooned pretty quickly once (about 60lbs), but it wasn't muscle! And sadly, I got the stretchmarks to show for it. I wonder if Bale does.

There's no way he gained that much muscle mass without some pharmacutical help. 

As for Van Wylder, watch the remake of Amityville Horror.  Or something like that.  I've never seen an actor as defined as he was in that movie. 

Yeah, I could never find the specifics on that. I wish I knew, because i'd do it myself.

The way I gained weight was like 8-10 McD cheeseburgers a day, a lot of ramen, and a lot of milkshakes, coke, and chocolate milk. Probably not good even if I had trained during the whole time. I doubt that shit converts into muscle mass well.


I don't think anyone beats Bruce Lee.

American Psycho rocked.

On topic. I don't like Scarlett Johansson much. She's shallow, she only wanted me for my body.

I don't see why this is a difficult concept. Pictures like that are shopped and manipulated with lighting and makeup as a rule. That is how the industry works. It's NOT REAL. God, you have to be a total rube to think that in this day and age publicity shots like that are real. Don't people notice that actors and athletes are never as cut in real life as they are in professional photos?

I'm not saying the pasted his head onto another body or that the guy isn't in great shape. I'm sure he is. But those types of photos are manipulated. That's just how it works, and it's willful ignorance to think otherwise. Modelling shots are shopped, period.


LOL. Well, you had the fat, sodium and sugar parts of the food pyramid covered. That's pretty much the worst diet imaginable if you want to look defined.

Damn calm down man.


Definitely not disagreeing with this. Heh I'm sure about only 5% of that was actual, usable fuel for my body.

[edit] Oh, btw, I didn't mean to say I was doing that to gain muscle mass. Not even close. I simply just didn't give a shit back then. I mentioned it as a joke, to contrast with Bale. It was probably more than a 60lb gain too... I was a scrawny motherfucker before that.

Possible, but Wylder has three times as much muscle as Lee did, which makes it much, much more difficult. 

Not sure who he is, but I'm guessing that SJ probably wasn't going to hook up with any of us anyway...

Not really. Whether you're working lean or for bulk, you're working hard either way. The difference isn't in commitment or time invested, but what kind of exercises and weights one's using. Lee did it out of choice anyhow. He did get to 150 or something once, but cut down since he thought it took him off his game. He was shooting for the right balance of power and speed. The only thing he always left remaining bulky were his laterals though (example (http://www.bruceleesite.com/images/iblock/7f4/traditional-bruce-lee.jpg)). Now that shit is hard to do. That Van Wilder guy isn't even close. Hardly anyone is. Especially guys as small Bruce Lee was. Most people who get that big in that area are bodybuilders. That's what kind of discipline he had.

Besides all that, anyone training with yoga, isometrics, or wing chun techniques like Lee did had a helluva lot more strength training going on under the hood than is noticeable. It's twice the amount of work maximizing strength levels. Just getting big won't do it. Most bodybuilders or people who just want to look good (like actors) don't even bother with this stuff. They're not as strong as you think they could be at first. While smaller martial arts practioners or people training in iso could knock your ass cold quickly.

YOU WASH YOUR FILTHY MOUTH OUT!

 :drill: :heartbreak:

I need to see some shopped pictures of Scarlett instead of Van...

Just as an aside on this, he was dating Alanis Morrissette for a long time (Hollywood long)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/barney1969/195_01.jpg)

Anyone ever see the movie "Waiting"? He wasn't too bad in that....with that young looking guy from the Mac vs. PC commercials.  Didn't like him in Blade - same "witty" character in every film.

I bet if I were to be paid millions of dollars if I got buff, I could do it to.

I saw "Waiting" and I was surprised it wasn't terrible.  For some reason, most films with that sort of setting are just dreadful.  I also saw "Blade" which was okay, too.  I always almost sort of nearly recognise the actors whose pics you guys post on f13.  I either have to google or you have to keep feeding me info for me to make a connection though.  I'm so bad at names and faces... and most other things that take a memory, too.  I'm still not quite sure why we care who any of these people marry.  It's not like it'll last forever... or even a couple of months sometimes.

Also, Iain, there is a rule that if you hook up with celebs, you must provide pics, even photo-shopped ones.  Otherwise, you're just being a prat, you prat, you! 

I bet you're a ginger.

I absolutely love her look, then again,. im in love with the 20's and 30's.




I would kill all of you for her. Twice.

What's not to like?  She's a beautiful woman.

I'm sure if you kill everyone on your nerdy gaming board, it'll make her really, really want you.  (http://www.invision.smileyville.net/smilies/disdain%20(29).gif)

I'd rather talk about veiny man muscles and bananas myself.

lol.

That was my inside voice.

Waiting... was a great movie, even if it starred the Mac guy. What movie isn't made better by Luis Guzman flashing his genetalia at you?

Anyways, here's to a local boy doing good for himself. (we need a smiley doing a beer mug toast)

Isn't she the woman who is famous for saying she doesn't believe in monogamy? Ole Van Wilder must be built in more places than just his chest.

Honestly, I think she's good looking but her personality turns me off.

I am in love with the high 30s, preferably of the DD type  :inluv:

Personally, I think her career peaked with Eight Legged Freaks.

(http://www.xboxworld.com.au/forum/images/smilies/beer.gif)

I think her career peaked with her chest.

Fuck, that woman is hot.

From Wikipedia.....all I could remember was the Bat-Wing

The above two replies didn't really need to follow each other, did they? (I'd add appropriately horrified smilies, but posting from my phone...)

Actually that's a common misconception that people who don't train seriously often have.  Muscle mass is muscle mass.  Someone who is very "cut" simply has a very low percentage of body fat, which stretches the skin tautly over the muscle, creating definition.  Ergo, there are no special exercises or weights one needs to do in order get cut versus to bulk up.  Bulking up is usually harder and more time consuming than acquiring definition for most people, although predispositions can exist for any phenotype.  For example, a kid who plays soccer in highschool runs around during practice a lot, but probably doesn't hit the weight room.  He will not be very strong, nor have much muscle mass, but he will probably be fairly cut.  The reason it is so hard to be both huge and ripped, is because the volume of food necessary to bulk up to Batman level proportions is staggering.  Bodybuilders eat upwards of 400 grams of protein a day.  That's a fuckload og protein incidentally, and is extremely hard to do, even with whey protein powder shakes.  Eating that much facilitates optimal muscle growth, but also fat accumulation.  This is why serious weight trainers undergo feast/famine cycles.  The bulk cycle is followed by a cut cycle.  Rinse and repeat.


Edit:  The reason why Lee's lats are so monstrous in comparison with the rest of him is because he didn't do any weight training. He did do a fuckload of push-ups and pull-ups though.  Pull-ups are the best overall back exercise you can do, and are essentially the squat of the upper body.

Ryan Reynolds.

Shit, I can't believe the thread got this long without the name of who you are talking about.  Every performance I've seen of Reynolds has been memorable.  He wasn't just Van Wilder.  That's just his first big role people know him for.

Oh, and the Mac guy is Justin Long.

I like that oxblood jacket he's wearing in the pic with Alanis. I've been looking for one like that for a while.

I can't believe there are rules and punishments for meat gazers...  That's the internet for you!

Huh? He did a fair share of weight training. Why are you saying he did none? He writes about every aspect of his physical training, weights included, especially early on. If any of his books were online, I'd point them out, but this article (http://www.mikementzer.com/blee.html) delves into a little of bit of his training info. The rest of him isn't necessarily that small either. His entire abdominal area is almost as impressive. He also had unusually long arms for a short guy, so take that into account.

I was actually wrong about the 150 weight though. He got to 165 at one point (at 5'7").

And I don't have misconceptions. You aren't just going to get cut by reducing body fat. You'll just end up looking like Bale from the Machinist doing that. You still need lean muscle. That could be gained by various exercises, sure, but you still need to enrich your diet with protein, and most people include light, but highly repetitive weight training to gain lean. Not saying that's as hard as what bodybuilders do though. I was saying that martial artists like what Lee did is harder than what actors do. They have restrictive diets all the same, they incorporate weight training, and more importantly, they incorporate strength training. An actor (and most average joes with a good physique) are fairly superficial and have easier to accomplish goals (which comes down to looking good).

Bale didn't just lose fat, he lost muscle mass.

Lol, damnit... I edited that post a few times trying to cover everything I wanted to say... But there's always something I'll get snagged on at f13..

Yes, yes, you're correct. His body basically started feeding on itself. I'm exagerrating a bit. My point though was basically when a person starts at square one, they aren't going to have much muscle at all. Losing body fat isn't going to magically make them look like Bruce Lee. That's silly. Like I've said already -- lean muscle mass. It's still something that needs to be worked on. It isn't "just there" hiding behind all of that fat.

True, my main point was that you can do a shitload of low weight high rep exercises, or you can do high weight low rep exercises, and both will bulk you up.  The former is called german volume training.  Essentially your body is doing the same work, just in different configurations.  I was actually just speculating about Lee, sorry for talking out of my ass a little.  I was simply working under the notion that flexibility and endurance would be more important than brute strength for that discipline, and therefore a significant amount of weight training would not be optimal..  Bulky muscles restrict range of motion.  And while I understand your point about Bale, I wasn't suggesting one would look their best by avoiding weights and just doing cardio.  Yes, Bale essentially starved himself, he was clearly malnourished.  But a person with normal levels of muscle mass and very little body fat would look "toned." 

Fair enough.  :-)

I wanted to post this in the thread but it's mildy NSFW. (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2724/scarlett1uv4.gif)

Clip from Eight Legged Freaks, yes?

Golly she is swell.

So, here's a question -- say you have a great deal of bulk muscle in one area and want to replace it with leaner muscle (basically "unbulk"). How do you go about that?

Speaking for myself, I have outrageous amounts of leg muscle -- calfs and thighs -- from years and years of swimming, and something of a genetic predisposition to bulky leg muscles. It makes finding boots that fit a pain in the ass. I was thinking of taking up running.

If you're genetically predisposed (are you a german female? lol), then not much to stop that, I think..

Seriously though, I'm surprised that swimming would do that. It, along with running, would produce lean muscle. Are you sure that there may not just be some overlying fat there? If so, then just slimming your diet and burning fat could make a difference in the bulkiness.

[edit] If it is muscle bulk though, I'm not sure if there's even a way to go about that. You can easily reduce muscle as a whole (i.e your entire body) by just letting them atrophy (not good), but I'm not sure about "spot" reducing. If you were to go about losing everything in a fairly healthy way (as opposed to just being lazy), you'd have to expend enough energy to the point where your body starts fueling itself on it's own muscle. Eat less calories, less protein, and still try to expend whatever energy you have through cardio and/or light weighting training. Once you got your legs to how you want, then you could go back to rebuilding the rest of your body to where it was. Haha. This isn't exactly what you're asking for though.

Wow. She looks smart.

German heritage all the way through. In junior high, they had that damn "You should be able to bench your own weight and leg-lift twice your own weight" test. I couldn't bench half my weight, but I could leg lift (or press or whatever the hell it was) almost three times my weight. I could do twice my weight with my calves alone, and it wasn't exactly straining me to do so.

Blaming swimming rather than genetics might be wrong. :) There is underlying fat -- I've been getting rid of that slowly (20% weight loss in two years. Go me!), but I really do have way to much bulk on the thighs and calves. I think running or biking (and raquetball -- love raquetball) is about all I can really try. They'll promote lean muscle and body fat loss anyways, so it can't hurt.

If I had known that was in Eight-Legged Freaks, I'd have watched it before. Now I don't need to.

Or do I?

Alas it's from 'A Love Song for Bobby', still no real reason to watch Eight Legged Freaks.

Sorry, I get my "Scarlet Johannson in a towel" movies confused.

You should make a slideshow. And then post it, so we can all keep it straight.

Take up pilates or yoga to get lean and toned.

That's the first time I ever thought she looked hot to be honest. I think it's the red hair vs blond.

My wife's been wanting to do Yoga, AND bitching I never do anything with her. Thanks. I hated to derail a thread, but it appeared there was some semi-knowledgeable people here and "How do I LOSE muscle mass" isn't really one of those common questions on the internet.

Seriously, it sucks finding ski boots that fit.

Many many ways to lose muscle mass.  Make a separate thread or shoot me a PM and I'll be happy to help.

I'm good with going back to talking about Scarlett's rack.

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:KcEKpm3VkK7fHM:http://bp3.blogger.com/_Ybv8mgZF3HU)

(http://bp2.blogger.com/_38BFeLLYQPE/Ri7GluGsl3I/AAAAAAAAAGA/lvzscjCcnCA/s200/Scarlett.jpg)

There's really nothing you can do.  It's called "old man strength."  Especially if you're athletic, as you mature, most men get thicker.  Look at the legs of professional skiers over 30.  You should be happy you don't have skinny toothpick legs.  If you lose weight, your whole body will slim down, but if your legs are bigger in proportion, they will stay relatively the same size in proportion.  There's no way to target weight loss in a specific part of the body. 


Edit:  There's no such thing as "lean" muscle.  There's just muscle.  If you're super desperate, you could just become wheelchair bound until your legs waste away Stephen Hawking style.

?

There is fast twitch and slow twitch muscle. However you can't really switch between them and I don't know that there is any size difference anyway.

It never was supposed to indicate a different type of muscle. It's a distinction between training and dieting types. The term is used througout every aspect of fitness discussion.

yes but almost always in a misleading way by the dieting/weight loss/exercise machine industries.  I mean we can talk about someone who "looks" lean.  But "building" lean muscle?  Not appropriate. 

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You're the best... AROUND! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9fWvub_WBho&feature=related)

I don't know what you're talking about.

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Samwise once again proves that you can be glib without uttering a single word.

I welcome his glibness. I don't want to argue about any of the things dusematic thinks I want to argue.

Yeah, using words correctly is kinda frowned on in these parts.

I use the word the only way it's been used in all fitness discussion since I could remember. "Lean muscle" will give you over 2 million results in Google -- so I'm not some isolated case of oddity to warrant any of you geeking out about it. A lot of people say it. Nor I can find one example of someone making the fallacy of using it to indicate an actual biological distinction in muscle fibers -- so I have no idea what "machine" dusematic is trying to rage against here. If there is one, it's not big enough to bring it up and project that on to me. It's always meant to signify diet and training regimen, nothing more.

Now post a funny gif or shut the fuck up, please. Not every subject needs to be some outlet for "debate". For crissakes.

I'm not raging, dipshit.  You're simply being a douchebag because you were talking out of your ass and someone called you on it.  "Lean muscle" returns 2 million Google hits?  Irrelevant.  "Poopy pants" returns 47,000.  What the fuck is your point?  Lean muscle is almost as redundant and stupid as saying "fatty fat."  All fat is fat you fucking idiot.  All muscle is muscle.  There is no debate.  You're wrong.  Deal with it bitch.

(http://content.ytmnd.com/content/9/7/4/9745107ff36a6aca1b8a123a6bfd7006.gif)

I'm talking about how someone like you could end up sounding like such a complete idiot.  Get it now?

Hah. That's on a good loop.

[edit] Actually, I'm pretty speechless here. What the hell is all of this anger about? It's like you're expecting me to represent a point of view that I don't even hold, just so you can fight with me. And now that I don't hold that view, you want to get angry about that too. I'm sorry I can't oblige, but please, get a grip. This isn't worth your rage.

And yes, you are raging. That much is evident.

Dude, please. This is basically your MO.  The most recent example being the book thread spat between you and Schild that got denned.  Periodically, you say a bunch of stupid shit, someone calls you on it, and then you throw a hissy fit. 

My MO? I probably have a record around here for saying "my bad", "sorry", "oh, I was wrong", or "I stand corrected" when things get to that point. I'm almost sure of it. I hardly have a problem with being wrong about things. It's not some big priority of mine to be "right".

I barely argued with Schild in that book thread. Not sure why that stands out to you. It was like two or three exchanges, we disagreed, and left it at that. Fine with me. But since when did it get resolved? Was he just declared right by fiat? I missed that part.

And as far you go, I don't even see what you're "calling me out" on. At least me and Schild actually had a clear difference of opinion. While all I see here is someone pissed about something other people supposedly said -- and then blamed me for it! Then I tell you "I don't know what you're talking about" when it came to these hypothetical people. After that, you somehow managed to find a way to take offense when I said "I don't know", and started talking like a maniac. Ooohkay.

I have no clue what "hissy fit" I'm guilty of either. I'm amused. It never ceases to amaze me how mundane subjects like this can go sour at F13. Serious business indeed.

What exactly would "lean muscle" be? What makes muscle "lean" exactly?

By the way if I google "lean muscle" the first few links are all to marketing BS and the next is to a discussion like this one with people questioning the term.

I can't answer your second question (because, again, I never made a literal distinction between types of muscle), but I'll answer the first.

Lean muscle, again, is simply what I used to signify training that focuses on bulking up, while at the same time burning fat (and one without an emphasis on an insane protein intake) -- not literal biological differences. Now that I know what a fuss this has caused though, I could admit that it sounds strange. Perhaps the better set of terms would be "lean musculature" (or something to that effect) -- because that's all that is meant.

What sparked this conversation was when I was comparing Bruce Lee's training with that of a typical beefed up actor (like Christian Bale). Someone was under the impression that since a guy might be bigger than Lee, then it would follow that he worked harder than Lee. Which wouldn't be the case. Lee was superhumanly out of his fucking mind, as far as hard training goes. What he and others like him did require as much work as guys twice as big -- unlike them, he basically had no body fat at all. A guy with a physique like Bale still has a bit of fat surrounding his muscles (which can be told just by appearances), and if that's the case, has fat between muscle sinew as well. Both give off the illusion of having more bulk than one has. Also worth mentioning is the route these bulkier types take to achieve their look -- they boost up on creatine, which pulls water into your muscles, ballooning them up.

Don't make too big a deal about me using the Google hit thing either. The only reason why I mentioned it is because some of you were acting all shocked and shit, like I just made up the word.

Ok, understood, lean musculature is a much better term, or just lean in general.

I look pretty lean myself. A sexy beast.

I can't speak for everyone, but as far as I can tell you were just acting like a dick.

On another note, being really lean is bad for you. Bicycle riders get the leanest and they only do it for short periods of time. It's not healthy.

No really, I wasn't. I'd never deny it if I was either.

Or at the very least, I wasn't being a dick anymore than usual.

[edit] As for the lean being bad thing, that's the first I've heard of it. Got any links? I don't know what to think about that. I would suspect that it'd be ideal to be as lean as any typical wild predator is.

On a sidenote, I live in one of the fattest cities in the world. I'm nowhere near 0% body fat (and never will be, I imagine), but I am lean. Every once in awhile, I run into a fat person who tries to make me feel bad about it... By saying just that -- that's it's not "healthy". Like I'm not the normal one. Heh.

By the way, this has nothing to do with what you're saying lamaros.. I know you're talking about extremities (I think?). It just reminds of it.

I love lamp lean.

I hear physicians describe fitness regimen as building "lean muscle" all the time.  The term is used to denote a specific type of workout routine where the ratio  of muscle to fat is high relative to more traditional weight gaining methods.  Yes, you are correct in stating that muscle is muscle.  I think you're being a bit overly critical of Stray though.  The term gets thrown around a lot among health professionals.  I think the term gets as much play as it does because gaining weight through training that is largely due to the building of muscle mass with limited fat is one of the tougher things any athlete can do. 

So it's an oxymoron. Woo. We've got loads of oxymorons in the English language. Lean muscle or muscle, same difference. Good grief this thread makes me want to issue a silent scream. Some people were clearly misunderstood and passive aggressive behavior ensued. We're a small crowd here at the forums, but in the interest of being left alone together, we could make peace and go get legally drunk and listen to some soft rock, because nobody likes a butt head, and I would hate to have to call in the peace force, because that would be almost exactly the same difference as what has already occurred. Oh, and British fashion is as much an oxymoron as the living dead.  :grin:

Are you fucking kidding me? This is a Scarlett Johannson thread which should contain copius amounts of pictures of her breasts. Instead we have people getting all angsty McAngst on the term "lean muscle"?

 :uhrr:

Right on. Lets get back to johannson and stop talking about beefy McBeefersion.








There, that should clean off the manliness left on this thread.

You're all wrong.  This is a thread about the beautiful body of some guy who played some bloke named Van Wilder in a film I didn't see! 

(http://www.mrpbody33.com/archives/images/2005/12/reynolds.jpg)

(http://munfitnessblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/ryan-reynolds-as-van-wilder-in-blade.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q76/HawaiianPixie25/Ryan%20Reynolds/ryan1.jpg)

So there.

Fair enough.

That boy really did buff up a bit, didn't he ?

He did.  It sort of reminds me of Jeff Goldblum.  He was some tall skinny goofy guy and then The Fly happened and he had a new body.

Except Ryan Reynolds drips charisma (buff or not), while Jeff Goldblum is genuinely creepy.

I really like Jeff Goldblum.  I barely even know who Ryan Reynolds is. 

Well then, take the banana out of your mouth and go rent a Van Wilder movie or Blade Trinity.

I mean by comparison.  Don't be a shitnitz! 

Why's everyone hating on my avatar?  Goldblum's a master thespian, he is!

Ryan Reynolds gave me THUNDERCUNT. He is a God.

It's really sad to admit I love the first two karate kid movies. I can watch that final fight scene in the first one over and over. I'm such an 80s movie dork.


Agreed.

I've seen one movie with him and it sucked (Smoking Aces?).

I think he's funny and I think she is hot.

She is delicious.

And not just thundercunt, but cock juggling thundercunt.  :oh_i_see:

I thought it was cock gobbling thundercunt? But yeah, that one scene along with "Hello my name is Fuck You" made that movie bearable. Well, that and Jessica Biel naked in the shower, even if it was meant to be a dramatic moment.

Blade Trinity wasn't a very good film.  In fact, I thought it was pretty awful.  I haven't seen Van Wilder but from the calibre of jokes I've heard from it, I probably don't want to anyway.  They both received very medicre reviews, too... well, at least those that weren't bad were mediocre.   I did see Smokin' Aces on tv and it was pretty forgettable.    When I looked him up, I noticed that he had two recent films out that I hadn't seen and one of them (Chaos Theory)  has had very good reviews from several critics.  Maybe he's choosing better.

Of course he dated Alanis. He's Canadian. I think it's required by law or something. That said, Alanis looks good there.

And a good Ryan Reynolds flick, IMO is "Just Friends" That and probably "Fool Proof", if you dig those sorta flicks.