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Topic: Ghostcrawler's Leaving (Read 106600 times)
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Lakov_Sanite
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"but I have a great opportunity for something new and exciting"
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Ingmar
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I guess this means a year down the road everyone will realize "I guess it wasn't all his fault after all" when Blizzard keeps tripping on the same old gopher holes.
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luckton
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Mithas
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Most of the big time complainers will just move on to the next guy.
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kildorn
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I guess this means a year down the road everyone will realize "I guess it wasn't all his fault after all" when Blizzard keeps tripping on the same old gopher holes.
No, they'll just bitch that the new guy is just as bad, but it was always GC's fault.
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Merusk
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Depends on who's replacing him. Since the X-pac is still under development, some of the changes will be in place and have GCs touch on them, but I suspect not a lot, based on the Blizcon "gee we haven't decided yet" fest.
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Rokal
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I'm bummed that he's leaving. As Lead System Designer he was probably responsible for a lot of the better mechanical changes the game has seen in the past few years (active mitigation, better feeling damage/healing 'rotations', talent/spec revamps, etc.) It's (still) weird that people heap all the blame for anything they don't like in the game on him. I guess that's what he gets for being the only developer that was willing to talk with players. Doubtless the antagonistic playerbase was a factor in his decision to move on.
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Sjofn
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Guy got way more shit than he deserved, I hope he enjoys where ever he winds up. Healing as a paladin got fun under his watch (reluctant as he was to change it at first), so he's okay in my book.
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God Save the Horn Players
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Paelos
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Despite what Ingmar says, he's one of those people I think deserved to be fired long ago. Not everything should be blamed on him, but the systems he put in place for things like tanking have now made tanking into something even old tanks don't want to do. Now we just need to get rid of Metzen and Chilton, and we're in solid shape.
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« Last Edit: November 27, 2013, 01:55:11 PM by Paelos »
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Simond
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Nah, Ingmar's right and you're just a
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Fabricated
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Finally. To late for me to care but good on blizzard until they find another dickpunching autist to replace him.
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"The world is populated in the main by people who should not exist." - George Bernard Shaw
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Simond
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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angry.bob
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"but I have a great opportunity for something new and exciting" Please let it be Brad McQuaid's thing. Pleasepleasepleaseplease.
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Simond
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I was Lead Systems Designer most of the time I was on WoW. I split lead duties with Cory as Lead Content Designer. Both of us reported to the Game Director, Tom Chilton, Kalgan. Nearly every decision any of us made was by consensus. Systems design = classes, items, professions, PvP, encounters, UI, combat & major features. I spent most of my time on features. Now watch as people, without taking a pause for breath, switch over to blaming everything on Mumper. E: ^^ I'm pretty sure he's said that he's not moving to another MMO because, well, what's the point?
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« Last Edit: November 30, 2013, 03:30:35 AM by Simond »
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Rendakor
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I figure the hatred will just be doubled down on Metzen.
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Khaldun
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Metzen 100% deserves it.
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Nevermore
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He was class balance guy and he was shitty at it.
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Over and out.
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Simond
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Most of what I did was features and UI. Class design was a small part, but the part players want to talk about. I'm always happy to take the blame, but every balance change is a group decision of the class team if not the whole design team. I think you will find WoW design philosophy comes from the team and not any one individual. Don't expect many changes. The class team is largely intact, so I wouldn't expect many changes to balance philosophy just because I am gone. Sorry. Looks like you're wrong.
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Nevermore
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All I see there is "It's not my fault!"
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Over and out.
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koro
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But class design and balance was what he placed himself front and center on, all the way back when he started being the most visible public face of the dev team. To my knowledge he rarely, if ever, discussed UI and general game features during the time I played. It was all classes all the time with him.
If he was mainly a features/UI guy with only minor focus on class design, he sure as shit spent a whole slew of years talking about something he really shouldn't have been.
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Paelos
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He's trying to dodge responsibility. There's a shocker.
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Dark_MadMax
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All I see there is "It's not my fault!"
Yep if I a Lead system designer skirt responsibilities with "its a team effort" BS. He was never the right person for the job. Maybe he is good designer - who knows , but if you are in lead role you have to have balls to do what is necessary AND take blame when it comes to it (and there always be blame as you cant make everyone happy no matter what you do)
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« Last Edit: November 30, 2013, 07:53:33 PM by Dark_MadMax »
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Fordel
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The person to blame is still the evil Kalgan, he's the one with the 'yes/no' powers.
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and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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Soulflame
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That's the name, yes. I couldn't remember.
GC probably isn't blameless, but the idea that his leaving means the game gets better is likely ludicrous.
No matter how true I wish it were.
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Nevermore
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I have no doubt the game won't get better. The ship has long since sailed for me either way anyway. But I'm still glad Ghostcrawler is gone.
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Over and out.
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Lakov_Sanite
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I have no doubt the game won't get better.
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Evildrider
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Maybe he's going to go help on TESO!
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Simond
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All I see there is "It's not my fault!"
Maybe you should stop channelling the bnet forums then. But class design and balance was what he placed himself front and center on, all the way back when he started being the most visible public face of the dev team. To my knowledge he rarely, if ever, discussed UI and general game features during the time I played. It was all classes all the time with him.
If he was mainly a features/UI guy with only minor focus on class design, he sure as shit spent a whole slew of years talking about something he really shouldn't have been. He was a willing scapegoat. He put himself out there front and centre so dumb fucking idiots could blame everything on him rather than sending two dozen pizzas to 'their' class dev because their dps was reduced by 0.1%. Judging by reactions in this thread, it worked out pretty well. It doesn't get to me. I am trying to talk some sense to discourage the inevitable backlash against the current team. Maybe they should hire Tweety to do PR. An updated version of her "Try being a guide..." rant would be useful here about this point.
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« Last Edit: December 01, 2013, 03:03:08 AM by Simond »
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Paelos
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He wasn't being the virtuous scapegoat, Simond. You sound like his agent.
He enjoyed poking the playerbase with a stick. In many cases he was a common troll, but with a much more powerful megaphone.
Tom Chilton is still the guy to blame for the overall decisions at the very top, but Ghostcrawler wasn't sitting around going, "Gee golly guys I'm just a wittle ole systems guy, don't ask me."
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Simond
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He wasn't being the virtuous scapegoat, Simond.
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Paelos
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Ah yes, fall back on that old cliche as if you can prove your opinion that he was.
But then again, I guess trolls do stick together.
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Pennilenko
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Ah yes, fall back on that old cliche as if you can prove your opinion that he was.
But then again, I guess trolls do stick together.
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Miasma
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Maybe he's going to go help on TESO! I would like to know where he's going.
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Nevermore
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All I see there is "It's not my fault!"
Maybe you should stop channelling the bnet forums then. Maybe you just need to accept that when you're the team LEAD, you are responsible for whatever that team does. In this case, that includes class balance.
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Over and out.
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