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July 18, 2025, 05:53:48 PM

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Thai-mandick, huh? Hmm.

I don't know what set Hoax off, but what little sense that post made, was still largely true.

Quote from: schild on April 19, 2007, 08:25:10 PM

Trackmania doesn't count? I mean, ok, not a big lobby, but I think it counts. Also, "Acclaim" released that DDR shit in america.

I don't know about Trackmania. It's just online, like it could have been back in 1996 with Quake. Server list ---> Connect to Server ---> Play. There's no persistency nor customization at all. It's Counterstrike on wheels.

No, I don't think Trackmania counts. Still, Test Drive Unlimited does (and Motor City Online did).

If you just take the first sentence from Hoax's post, that is what I was trying to say (somewhat diplomatically) in my first response to Sinij.

I'm from the Louisiana and Texas area and I have heard enough stories about how we all ride alligators or horses as the case may be, everyone has a ten-gallon hat and belt buckle meant to be a 1/1000 scale replica of the state itself, etc to know that you can't just generalize about an ENTIRE COUNTRY and say "omg they like grindy stupid stuff; clearly they are all drones without their own personalities".

Quote from: schild on April 19, 2007, 05:11:55 PM

My avatar is from an arcade game made in the early 90s.

Oh, well that makes all the difference. Anyother reason for having a big red thing having its' underarms shaved just wouldn't have done.

I didn't notice the razor until this thread. How come his shaving avatar is more acceptable than all my shaving avatars? Let's not even talk about the avatar guy with the vodka bottle cock! Unless you want to.

I tried to salvage that post. Sorry about that folks, I was definitely on one last night.

The point is, Koreans are doing more for getting us away from the Diku driven, auto-attack hotkey grind then anyone else is at this point. Also Korea isn't afraid of pvp content which counts for something in my book. They are totally willing to experiment with new control schemes and new forms of gameplay.

Sure their games usually blow chunks because they are laggy as fuck hosted in Singapore or wherever the fuck, the devs can't speak English and they have almost no understanding of their audience's primary concerns when it comes to porting these games for the EU/US audience. But I fucking guarantee you there are games available to Azn gamers right now that bring actual new fucking ideas to the table in terms of gameplay. We PC gamers, or even worse PC-MMOG gamers may have forgotten what new gameplay ideas feel like because we haven't had one since '99 but shitting on the Koreans because they still think L2 is awesome, ignores the large amount of potential you can see in the direction they are taking the medium.

I had no problems with any of those avatars, Signe. I don't know what their problem is.

Quote from: schild on April 19, 2007, 08:25:10 PM

Trackmania doesn't count? I mean, ok, not a big lobby, but I think it counts. Also, "Acclaim" released that DDR shit in america.

Acclaim's DDR is "Dance!". The Korean one I'm talking about is Audition, coming from Nexon's deal with Viacom to publish through MTV. I haven't tried the Acclaim version, but Audition is actually pretty fun. If you're into keyboardDDR of course, and you're not a musician who would deride the "quality" of the music :)

But that's aside from the core point that it's that market which is offering a more successful (for that market) breadth of titles than in the West. We spit out DIKUs here and import that breadth. From, say, Korea. Yes, they have DIKUs too, and the grinds within them are worse than pre-Kunark EQ1. But when you take the games in aggregate and include how big they've each gotten, it's hard to argue they only have one successful style of game over there like we do here.

That's not to condemn the US. I love WoW, I love LoTRO, I enjoy the DIKU mechanic and even sometimes the PvP within it. But I, like apparently Hoax and a few others, see things a bit differently than the "Koreans like grinds because of <gamelikeLineage>" statements thrown around often.

Edit: I forgot that Preview button

Quote from: Lantyssa on April 20, 2007, 09:52:06 AM

I had no problems with any of those avatars, Signe. I don't know what their problem is.

I found nearly the same avatar pose as the Absolut Cock one only with a different product and a woman. I wonder if they'll complain when I use it? I bet not.

Personally, I LOVED your Absolut Avatar, Signe. You should definitely bring it back :mrgreen:

Oh, I understand that there's more to Korea than grind.

I also think that, for the most part, short of DJ Max Portable (and ALMOST Magna Carta), that their game design is dick.

They need to think better, not harder. New Ideas != Fun. Like I said, I'll try anything once, but korean games are a fart in the wind. Console and PC alike.

Again, much like their TV.

Samsung TV's are cool.

You think their TVs are cool, you should see their construction equipment. Nothing says "Samsung" like a bulldozer!

I really like the "Kingdom under Fire" games for the XBox. Sort of like Dynasty Warrior, but with much more strategy and unit-building. Really disappointed me that NinetyNine Nights (by the same dev house) was so dumbed down.

Hmmm intetresting thread.

Slight Necropostal: Someone put up a few new videos the other day. I though I would share.

Boppin' to the Beat.

DANGER! INCOMING HUGE NUMBER ALERT! DUCK!

Oooh. Aaah.

How can you not love this (potential) game? It has everything! Odd, sexy dancing. Eye popping emotes. I bet there will even be perching! And the boys! Are they not to die for??!!? I could hug them to bits! TO BITS! And it doesn't matter which one I choose because they are all identical twins!

Anyway, I will definitely give this game a go as soon as I can because I already love it. It will be gloious, I tell you. GLORIOUS!

The soul-sucking dance moves aside, it looks kinda interesting. Here's hoping its not another L2.

Interesting? Looked like another freaking hot-key driven Diku.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpEUBPsvm8I&mode=related&search=

whack. whack. whack. nuke. whack whack. nuke. talk to the guy with exclamation mark.
what are we missing? soulshots?

Quote from: Signe on June 23, 2007, 04:55:57 PM

I think that middle video turned me into an epileptic.

How can you not like the dancing? All the cool boys dance just like that in Mother Russia. I'm sure I'll play this one for weeks!

Quote from: schild on June 23, 2007, 08:37:11 PM

Interesting? Looked like another freaking hot-key driven Diku.

Well, duh. Its all in the details. What humor and writing skills the lore crafters have, how well balanced things are, do any quests/features reward you over a span of time, and if so, what type of reward, etc, etc, etc. So far, the toon work isn't ridiculously over-anime'd, which is a huge bonus in my book, and the scenery looks better than most, if not all I've seen thusfar.

Its like what you said about Paprika. I looked at it and said,"Looked like another freaking panty driven Anime." yet you saw much more behind it. Different strokes and all that.

Just a quick note on the whole "Korean produces original MMOs" thing, that's a large exception to the norm. They produce a shitton of MMOs over there and I've played a lot of them. While there's some originality to be seen in some cases the majority are fucking horrible. It's as if 99% of them are using some Korean WYSIWYG "MMO maker" software and merely switch skins. Content wise what's hidden behind the grind is a small fraction of what's in your average western MMO.

Oh, and Aion will be one of them.

When did WoW get a new graphics engine?

Quote from: Signe on June 23, 2007, 04:55:57 PM

I don't even know what that means except that in some way you've called me a zombie again!

Quote from: Signe on June 25, 2007, 01:21:04 PM

I don't even know what that means except that in some way you've called me a zombie again!

It means you are evil for continuing to show us these things. These things that you know we will try and eventually loathe ourselves for trying because we knew better but are powerless when under your formidable posting spells. You are the KMMO Succubus.

Quote from: Signe on June 25, 2007, 01:21:04 PM

I don't even know what that means except that in some way you've called me a zombie again!

IMPROMPTU SIGNE FANFIC GO

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Signe placed her hands on the keyboard. They slightly trembled, she was so excited. She quickly punched in the address to get to the NCSoft homepage. Yes, there it was - under new products. She moved her hand so fast to the mouse she misclicked a banner ad for Auto Assault. Signe became enraged, and threw three live poultry at the wall.

She landed back in her chair with a front flip, and properly clicked the link for Aion. Upon seeing the splash screen on the website, her blood raced. She imagined frantic clicking and hitting of the F1 key. She imagined setting up a shop where she sold hats that gave you bunny ears, or some seed that dropped off of pumpkins in a canyon somewhere. She started cackling furiously, eyes burning crimson red. Yes, they'd all pay, she thought. They'd pay in blood, as I trollop around with my Poring hat on.

As shining fangs emerged from her insidious grin, she leaped into the air and did a Chun Li spinning kick, knocking a man off of a motorcycle.

OMGWTFAREYOUSAYINGACKACKACKACKACK!!!!!

I AM SAYING THAT THERE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS GOING ON HERE OKAY

The picture + story combined are "post of the year" material.

Awesome work.

Woot!

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* PVP is possible in ALL areas, not just the abyss. Abyss is just in the middle though so it'll be most common. You bet we'll be rushing their zones and raping their lowbies as often as possible, as using flight you can get to the enemy's side. Griefing gogo.
* Air combat is confirmed to be very fast paced; it'll be WASD movement and mouse look only, much like a FPS. Normal movement can be click or WASD, whichever you like.
* There WILL be player housing, if not by release than implemented shortly after. Clan housing will also be available; and you will be able to pick where it's at too, and decorate it.
* Guild Emblems won't show up like L2; instead they show up on your guild's flags and can be used as decoration for armor and weapondry.
* If you "farm" a monster too long, it will evolve and become stronger. Antibot <3.
* The weapon enchant system is apparently very similar to the materia system of FF7. That should be... Totally amazing.
* Closed beta cap is 25, open beta is 50, final level cap is unknown.
* The dragon race won't have wings or tails, and the Asmodians (the devils) apparently don't grow wings either, but can still fly. It's unknown as to how right now, I would imagine they either get like semi-seethrough darkness wings or are propelled by magic. Both sides will have the same cooldown and flight length.
* Knowing when to fly, when to knock your opponent out of the sky and when to attack air-to-ground is apparently going to be important for PVP.
* Day and night change just like real life and there's an active weather system. Weather is confirmed to effect the environment AND... Skills? Should be interesting. I would imagine weather effects Flight, too, but that's just my speculation.
* Aion will NOT be focused on dungeons and will not require players to run instance dungeons or dungeons in general in order to succeed and get good equipment. (Of course not; you're supposed to chill in the Abyss.)
* There will be an auction house.
* The only time you can fight your own faction is in the arenas or duel mode.
* World will not be seemless, it will be zoned with 2-3 second loadings... This worries me about spawnkilling. Regardless, it's lineage-2 like.
* There are 4 basic classes (Warrior, Scout, Wizard, Cleric) that branch off into 8 classes (Knight, Fighter, Ranger, Assassin, Wizard, Elementalist, Priest, Enchanter.) You can think of these as Elven Knights, Rogues, Dark Wizards, etc. They further branch off into another two classes, for a total of 16 each. It's unknown if each side has different classes, though people are assuming they don't. Check the Classes Thread for more info on actual classes, and it'll probably be a lot more updated.
* One press release fron NCSoft clearly and energetically states that there will be no instances... But another one says that there will be. Good fucking job, NCSoft. We don't know if there will or won't be, as a result.
* There are plenty of floating cities that can only be reached by flying or taking a floating platform/airship. The Angel's "capitol" for example is suspended in the sky.
* Flight time is limited, think of it as a skill. You have a set amount of time you can fly and it has a cooldown. Items will be able to extend these but they don't believe that time will increase with levels. "Learning to use your flight time will be essential in PVP." For long, long distance there's a teleport system like L2. For short range, there's apparently an "auto-pilot" like thing for flight where you choose your destination and you'll go.
* Character customization is pretty damned nice. You can pick from some hairstyles (I would imagine about as many as GUild Wars allows, which is a good variety). You can then choose the color of the hair and skin. There's a sweet system that allows you to shape your face, and you'll also be able to alter eye color and choose your voice. Tattoos are present a well and are available for the face, and possibly other areas. They're also making a height/weight system that you can use to make your character anywhere from skinny to fat.
* Raising your PVP rank changes your wings and makes them sweeter looking, but as of right now they will not get more effective as they change. This fact is one of the reasons that I believe the Asmodians will get "dark energy wings", because uh... To leave that part out of them entirely is kind of rediculous. Then again, maybe you'll grow horns or some shit.
* There's no mounts in Aion. Why do you need them? You have wings. Shut up.
* Party size is 6 and apparently raids will probably be limited to 1 party. That means raiding should take a pretty long time and be a little more intense than "heal him. Spam hate." I'm worried that this will result in "prime parties" where certain classes won't get to raid because people will want an enchanter or a tank instead, but who knows.
* The game's looks are described as "dream-like" and if you haven't seen the movies they resemble Fable, with the exception of humans which look quite a bit more realistic. It's by far the best-looking MMO so far, absolutely no contest. The water effects are awesome and the sky is (as expected) the best looking I've seen in any game.
* Skills can be chained in a combo fashion, depending on the weapon you use. "Length of skill chains cannot be modified." What the fuck does that mean? Preset combos?
* There will be castles a-la L2 and guilds that get them will get special crap from NPCs (like books of giants from L2, lol) and will get tax money. Where have I heard this system before?
* You get PVP points for smoking people and they can be exchanged for high-end armors and weapons.
* The weapon and armor system is fucking neat. Not only can they be dyed like Guld Wars, but if you find a weapon that has a look you like and a weapon later that has higher stats, it's possible to change the new weapon's look to the one you like. This means it's going to be damned hard to judge opponent's strength, I bet, since you can't just be like "drac bow o shi-". It'll be cool to see how this pans out.
* NCSoft expects a flat $15 USD monthly fee, but it's possible it'll change. Release is expected April of 2008, possibly earlier.
* Aion runs on the CryENGINE1, which is the same engine FarCry ran on. It has better graphics and physics than the U3 engine and less system requirements. It's currently the only MMO being developed on CryE1.
* In the abyss, the 3rd faction (the neutral dragons) apparently gank both sides. This is obviously Anti-bot with an excuse, and it's an EXCELLENT idea.
* Aion is planned for 3000-5000 players per server, and there will be euro and asian servers. It's unconfirmed if euro players can get on U.S. servers.
* There's no character collision in Aion. That means no "MOVE FAGGOT WTF" blocking like in L2. In short, you can move through monsters and players.
* You can move while using skills, so combat is quite a bit similar to WoW.
* There's no info yet on if there will be Set Bonuses for armor, as they were in L2 but not Guild Wars. I would imagine there will be, though. There's also no info on if there will be a L2-esque grade system, or if it will be stats requirement a-la guild wars, or a simple direct level requirement.
* Stats are going to be static like L2 but there's a chance to custom mod them... Like L2.
* NEW Weapons currently have a set level requirement rather than a L2-like grade system, as shown in http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2...1635258wq3.jpg They can also be soulbound like in WoW, where you can't drop or trade an item after you've identified/picked it up.

For whatever reason, I still kinda want to play it. Information ganked from ngaf.

I want to play, too. It's Korean, it's grindy and has PvP. My sort of thing, really. Now and then I even miss Lineage! Maybe I'll play that for a few weeks or so. I love it at Christmas time, too. You get to kill Frosty the Snowmen!