Bethesda gets Fallout

[NiX]

I doubt it means much, but I'm enjoying Fallout and playing it a hell of a lot more than I did Oblivion.

[Ironwood]

Why ?

(serious question, gie it some thought !)

[schild]

This game is Oblivion from the moment you get control of your character.

Third person is laughably bad. We're talking b-rate movie bad. Your character just floats through the world. Fucking lulzville.

I'm pretty upset about this game atm.

[Ironwood]

You're upsetting me by proxy.

 

[lamaros]

So third person is bad. We knew this.
So some NPC interation is  . Again, not shocking.

What are the reasons that the game is no good that we actually care about? So far I'm not seeing anything about that.

[FatuousTwat]

I don't understand the people who get all pissed off about it not being "Fallout" enough.

If it is fun, play it. If not, don't.

[schild]

Pros:
The world is gorgeous. Just outstanding. A little dark on my TV, but we'll see how it fares when I get the PC version.
Armor and weapon design >>> Oblivion
Sound is fantastic.
Missions are Fallout-y. Sort of. I don't want to spoil anything since most people will play it even if it had a metascore of 10/100.

Cons:
Characters still ugly, Bethsoft sucks at this. Just not as bad as Oblivion.
Missions are Oblivion-y also.
Too much useless shit in the world. Feels sily, next-gen pixel hunting even.
Voices are mostly meh.
Intro is just stupid.

[schild]

Oh, right, VATS.

Fun, but totally lulzworthy.

Also, I don't hate it, I'll play through the whole thing extensively on the PC version. It's simply not Fallout and I'm not going to pretend it is. It's not quite Oblivion either. It's the unholy child of both.

[FatuousTwat]

Too much useless shit in the world. Feels sily, next-gen pixel hunting even.

Do you mean there is too much clutter on the ground? Or do you mean it is a pain in the ass to search for items?

Or both I suppose.

[schild]

Too much useless shit in the world. Feels sily, next-gen pixel hunting even.

Do you mean there is too much clutter on the ground? Or do you mean it is a pain in the ass to search for items?

The latter, unfortunately. And the GUI is unresponsive and poopy (on the 360 version).

[FatuousTwat]

Bleh. I'm sure this will be addressed on the PC version via mods, but why couldn't they light shit up that you NEED to find for quests ala Bioshock?

[NiX]

Why ?

(serious question, gie it some thought !)

I'll do a brief run-down and expand on what Schild said, so you get why it's "lulzworthy":

The story is generally picking up. They're giving you a reason to discover the world and a lot of side-quests are hinting to there being a lot in the wasteland that you're not aware of at the moment. Overall, the settings fits a lot better with the engine, so I find it more playable than Oblivion. The removal of the annoying gates is a plus and the fact that there's more going on in the way of factions fighting and people trying to survive.

Pros:
The world is gorgeous. Just outstanding. A little dark on my TV, but we'll see how it fares when I get the PC version.
Armor and weapon design >>> Oblivion
Sound is fantastic.
Missions are Fallout-y. Sort of. I don't want to spoil anything since most people will play it even if it had a metascore of 10/100.

I'll agree to everything on that list and add a couple points.

- Random outposts/warehouses seem to have had more thought put into them than the random dungeons in Oblivion. Sometimes even painting a picture of the past that helps you understand the world.

- Male/Female characters play very differently. I decided I didn't want to play a good character, so restarted with a bad female and didn't realize how much I would lose and gain from it opposed to playing a male.

Cons:
Characters still ugly, Bethsoft sucks at this. Just not as bad as Oblivion.
Missions are Oblivion-y also.
Too much useless shit in the world. Feels sily, next-gen pixel hunting even.
Voices are mostly meh.
Intro is just stupid.

- Characters are definitely ugly, but at least they improved the hair! Some characters just look downright awful.

- Some missions wreak of oblivion, like the random escort side quests. If anyone hated them in Oblivion, you'll hate them just as much when a almost everyone has a ranged attack.

- The useless shit is VERY annoying at times when you're trying to pick stuff up. PC will be a lot better for this because thumbsticks are ass when you're trying to pick up a tiny bottlecap.

- Voices are hit or miss. Especially the sound level of some peoples voices. Sometimes I can stand in-between a conversation and hear it and other times I have to stare at one persons face to get the right amount of sound in the surround sound.

- The only point I disagree with. It's a unique intro for the most part and I enjoyed it. Now, multiple times through? Yeah, it would get annoying.

[rk47]

Bleh. I'm sure this will be addressed on the PC version via mods, but why couldn't they light shit up that you NEED to find for quests ala Bioshock?

There may be no mod capability to this game. Part of the reason why I'm very very worried. But who cares, Dogmeat Armour mod for $2 imo.

[lamaros]

It's simply not Fallout and I'm not going to pretend it is. It's not quite Oblivion either. It's the unholy child of both.

I played through Fallout and Fallout 2 a whole lot recently. The rose coloured glasses are definitely off in that regard. So I don't really mind if it's not 'Fallout-y', just so long as it's fun for what it is.

[schild]

Well, if you go into it calling it something like "OMG WAR" or somewthing, it would be awesome.

As Fallout, as I told a few other people, well, it's fucking not Fallout. And thus, 3 years on the license have been wasted.

I'm going to keep playing it because I do like it for what it is, but I'm a victim of caring about the franchise, whoops.

[Bunk]

It's not in a bad way. There are some assets they put into Oblivion that they just moved over to Fallout, like the random dungeons. They're just a bit less obvious in Fallout.

Not to be picky, but there were no random dungeons in Oblivion. They may have appeared that way since they were designed using prebuilt "tiles", so you did tend to see a lot of repetition, but I can assure you, they were not random the way Daggerfall ones were.

[CmdrSlack]

Going to full 3D and mostly first-person was the bad idea here, IMO.

That kinda kills the Fallout-yness right away.

[NiX]

Not to be picky, but there were no random dungeons in Oblivion. They may have appeared that way since they were designed using prebuilt "tiles", so you did tend to see a lot of repetition, but I can assure you, they were not random the way Daggerfall ones were.

Yeah, sorry, was referring to the repetitiveness.

[schild]

Alright, I've played Fallout 3 enough to write an article. That said, the article is going to be about never calling it Fallout 3 again. I will henceforth refer to the game as Trashland.

[Ingmar]

Alright, I've played Fallout 3 enough to write an article. That said, the article is going to be about never calling it Fallout 3 again. I will henceforth refer to the game as Trashland.

Damn you Bethesda!

[schild]

Oh, I also want to say that the writing is about HALF as good as the other games. It feels like they were trying too hard but didn't have the writers to pull it off. :(

Oh, and can't wait for the PC version with quicksave, I hate falling to my death and being set back an hour.

[Jain Zar]

Heh.

For all of you who are angry all Fallout 3 and stuff I have one thing to say:

NOW YOU HERPES SORE  DISCHARGE RIDDEN CUMSOCKS KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT REAL TIME COMBAT SYSTEMS IN EVERY (Non Action) RPG SINCE BALDUR'S GATE.

SUCK IT DOWN AND BE A MAN YOU NINNIES!

[Ingmar]

 

It sounds like the problem isn't that the combat is 'real time', it sounds like the problem is that it is a particular flavor of it that sucks.

[schild]

so

Guy on Gametrailers interview said this (from Bethsoft):
"No matter how compelling we make our story, a big vista landscape is more compelling and with Fallout it's kind of the same"

And now you know every single fucking problem with Bethesda titles. SIGH.

[schild]

Heh.

For all of you who are angry all Fallout 3 and stuff I have one thing to say:

NOW YOU HERPES SORE  DISCHARGE RIDDEN CUMSOCKS KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT REAL TIME COMBAT SYSTEMS IN EVERY (Non Action) RPG SINCE BALDUR'S GATE.

SUCK IT DOWN AND BE A MAN YOU NINNIES!

Nope, you're still crazy and you don't get it.

[Nija]

CONSOLED 

[Rasix]

Sounds more like BethSoft'd. I'll still likely buy it.  Oblivion entertained me enough that I finished it.

[lesion]

HONESTLY WAITING FOR THE MODDING TOOLS

BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'RE COMING

AND CONSOLES CAN SUCK IT

[NiX]

CONSOLED 

No! NO NO NO NO NO!

This was NOT consoled. This was, as Rasix pointed out, Bethsoft'd. Overall, they were too damn lazy to build an engine around the game, instead they built Fallout around the Oblivion engine.

[Calantus]

Argh! I'm officially not buying Fallout3 at release now. I hope you guys are happy with yourselves.

I will probably buy it eventually. Probably. But it was a must buy until now.

[Prospero]

Horse fuckers. Did they at least manage an interesting story? I don't think I can force myself to play an Oblivion clone, but maybe, maybe if the story is really rad.

[lamaros]

What the fuck were all you guys expecting? Had you not heard, ages ago, that it was based on the Oblivion engine?

I'm still looking forward to it just as much as I was before. I don't understand how some of you have switched from irrational hope to irrational angst so quickly.

[FatuousTwat]

What the fuck were all you guys expecting? Had you not heard, ages ago, that it was based on the Oblivion engine?

I'm still looking forward to it just as much as I was before. I don't understand how some of you have switched from irrational hope to irrational angst so quickly.

This. How you people can continue to build games up so much in your minds, that there is no way they will live up to your expectations pretty much every single time baffles me.

[Ironwood]

I don't mind the Oblivion Engine;  if they build a decent RPG (hell, even if it deviates from Fallout) around it, I'd be happy.

Instead, it sounds like they just remade Oblivion with guns.

I don't mind the Oblivion Engine :  I mind Oblivion.

Most Boring RPG Ever.  And you're talking to someone who is an absolute luv freak for Morrowind, Arena, Daggerfall and the rest.  I spent YEARS in Daggerfall.  Christ, I should have had a fucking Daggerfall passport !


Edited >>  I Agree With the Dalek.

[Moaner]

Well, I for one am disappointed Fallout 3 is exactly what I expected it would be.  Bethesda fucking sucks.  I'm pretty pissed they screwed up a sequel to what is one of my favorite games.