Bethesda gets Fallout

[Murgos]

The music on the teaser site is definitely Soule.

If the teaser has Ron Pearlman doing his "War.  War never changes" bit, I'll be on board til more gameplay mechanics come out.  I'm perfectly willing to enjoy the game on its own terms while wishing they had called it something other than Fallout.  I'm gonna hold out hope (for 34 more days, apparently) that they know that they didn't have to buy the Fallout license to build a FPS/RPG hybrid set in a post-apocolyptic desert.  It just makes no sense.

Yeah, they could have got Wasteland much cheaper...

[schild]

That song on the fallout 3 site is crap. But that's neither here nor there. If that building on the left is a convenience store, it's entirely possible that they very well MIGHT "get" it...

Personally, I'd have done a close up of space ice cream or something else entirely micro. The stuff Black Isle really paid attention to were the little things, in both Fallout and Planescape, and I think that's what made the difference. It's what put those games above and beyond the Bladur's Gate and Icewind Dale stuff. Oblivion ignored the little things. I fear Falluot 3 might also.

And if you're wondering what I meant by small, the coincidental dialogue, the item descriptions in stores (especially the curiosity shoppe), the way Morte would read the Nameless One's tattos, etc. These made the game a masterpiece.

Bethsoft doesn't know how to do shit like that.

[Trippy]

Fallout 3 is going to be more soul crushing than MOO 3 was.

[Furiously]

Then play THIS!!!!!! And by this I mean the real fallout 3.

[squirrel]

I fear they might forget to give Fallout 3 the retro feel the other 2 had and go for plain scifi. And forget the weird humor. I hope I'm wrong.

Unfortunately I don't think you are. Just the 'vibe' I get off the trailer teaser is totally wrong. We'll see.

thanks
pen

[Strazos]

Just wondering where BG2 falls in that 2-camp assessment.

[Yegolev]

I like BethSoft as well, insofar as I like The Elder Scrolls.  There are two points that stick out to me.  One, I am not aware of a good game they have made that is not a TES game, and B, they have not even been getting TES right lately.  Did any of you play Daggerfall?  If so, do you not cry a little when you play Morrowind and Oblivion?

I would like to believe that Fallout 3 will, in fact, be Fallout Number Three, but it's probably going to be The Elder Scrolls: Somebody Set Us Up The Bomb.

[Sauced]

The first games I bought when I got out of college and had enough money for a pc were Daggerfall and Fallout, just off the box art.  Lucky me.  I loved Daggerfall so much I continued playing it even though it crashed my machine every 15 minutes.  I think I spent more time saving my game than actually playing it.

I don't miss that.

[Sky]

Of course, this is the most important element of the entire demo: companions that don't shoot you in the back with an automatic weapon."

Gaaaah. I just related my MoH-rage in another thread from exactly this bone-headed kind of AI. How much cooler would it have been if the brit had yelled "Outta my way yank, I want to shred some nazi!"?

Bah.

Fallout 3: Why are the hobos in power armor? Seriously, if they can't put a scratchy old jazz tune on the trailer, they've missed the boat.

More importantly, why is Obsidian so crappy? They seem to do well and then fall short with both KotOR2 and NWN2. What could they do with a NEW post-apoc IP and without publisher pressures? That's what I wanna know.

[Strazos]

More importantly, why is Obsidian so crappy? They seem to do well and then fall short with both KotOR2 and NWN2. What could they do with a NEW post-apoc IP and without publisher pressures? That's what I wanna know.

You sort of answered your own question; KotOR2 and NWN2 are the only games they have released so far.

Surely, they have talent...they just have a critical problem with Finishing What They Start. Also, I hear NWN2 was not very good.

[trias_e]

How they fuck up the music so badly there is beyond me.  It's really not hard.  Fallout is great because of, at least partially, its minimalism.  Just some wind blowing in the background would have been far superior to what they have there.

[sinij]

Just in case you live under rock and missed it. Fallout 3 demo... well sort-of.

[NiX]

I'm tempted to try it, but I really don't want to torture myself with a "What-if" demo.

[Hayduke]

I can't imagine Bethesda releasing a product buggier and more unfinished than Troika would have.  And I'm a huge fan of Bloodlines and Arcanum, but they just fall apart at the end.

And Oblivion wasn't awful, but not all that great either.  I'm not too bent out of shape about it.  I didn't care much for Morrowind but got more playtime out of it.  Course I really loved Daggerfall, despite all the bugs.  I liked the random dungeons and guild quests, I felt the game lost something when it got rid of that.  Played the game for months and I never even started the main quest line.  And yes it had a game system that could be very easily exploited.  And quite often I did exploit it terribly (yay for superman vampire/lycanthrope characters).

[trias_e]

Hey now, Bloodlines is flat out awesome, and doesn't fall apart at all, ever.

Of course, I waited for a few patches to play the game, so I might be biased.

And, based on bloodlines, I'd definitely pick troika for fallout over bethesda (although I do think Oblivion is cool in some respects)

[Special J]

Fallout 3 is going to be more soul crushing than MOO 3 was.

The mere mention of MOO3 makes me cry.

[Yegolev]

And yes it had a game system that could be very easily exploited.  And quite often I did exploit it terribly (yay for superman vampire/lycanthrope characters).

You could give a high elf a critical weakness to paralysis on creation but they would still remain immune to it.  That sort of thing is why I like Morrowind and Oblivion less than Daggerfall.

[rk47]

it's the same ol story again.
Liam Neeson's gonna voice Fallout3.

ANd I bet we can't kill him in game.
And here's how it's gonna be.
Liam's gonna have 30-40 unique lines in game.

Then Beth will hire 10 actor . 5male 5 female from 5 racial grp:
Chinese / hispanic / African / white american / russian

and give them 50 generic same lines to spam.

'hi'
'what's up'
'the brotherhood of steel is hiring again'
'i saw a deathclaw on the way to the hooker's den'
'what's the news from washington DC'
'get out of here'
'good day'

[Bunk]

And at least two of those 5 actors will have voices reminiscent of fingernails on chalkboards.

[Sky]

At least half the characters will be voiced by more than one actor. That bugged me, you'd be talking to a guy for a few minutes and suddenly the entire timbre, accent, volume, everything about his voice would change for a few lines. Heckuvajob.

[Wolf]

new art on the main page - http://fallout.bethsoft.com/.

It is the white house.

[Xerapis]

Apparently the Bethboys haven't registered the webscreams of pain at hearing their music choice yet.

Wake up!  Fallout is NOT EPIC!  IT'S QUIRKY!!!!

Or, in business-speak:  Your inappropriate music selection could result in a loss of sales.

Does it register yet?

[Ironwood]

I'm not sure the Whitehouse would be left that intact after a Nuclear War.

[Xerapis]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

Looks a little too staged.  I think they could have achieved the same visual effect without it being so...minimally damaged.

Pretty sure it would be a big fucking target.

[Miasma]

That's not the White House, it's Congress.  If we can't even get the targets right what chances do we have of destroying them?  Come on people!

[Ironwood]

OK, I'll rephrase :  I don't think Washington would be left that intact in event of a Nuclear War.


I guess we'll find out soon.

[Sky]

I've got a baad feeling about this...

[Yoru]

That's not the White House, it's Congress.  If we can't even get the targets right what chances do we have of destroying them?  Come on people!

To be pedantic, it's the Capitol Building, which houses Congress, with the Washington Mall in the background. I haven't been to DC in years, but I'm fairly sure they're improperly positioned if the long open space behind the Capitol is supposed to be the Reflecting Pool.

[MrHat]

Lots of nukes won't reposition things?

[NiX]

Lots of nukes won't reposition things?

It wasn't enough to reposition the buildings structure...

[Miasma]

Maybe the anti-ballistic missile shield actually worked?

[MrHat]

Maybe the fallout and subsequent years of hiding and breeding have caused, uh, memory relocation?

[Murgos]

OK, I'll rephrase :  I don't think Washington would be left that intact in event of a Nuclear War.


I guess we'll find out soon.

Scotland planning a sneak attack is it?  I guess now we know what they have been hiding under their kilts all these years...

[Strazos]

That's not the White House, it's Congress.  If we can't even get the targets right what chances do we have of destroying them?  Come on people!

To be pedantic, it's the Capitol Building, which houses Congress, with the Washington Mall in the background. I haven't been to DC in years, but I'm fairly sure they're improperly positioned if the long open space behind the Capitol is supposed to be the Reflecting Pool.

Just for you.

Also, the "Long open space"-type pool you are thinking of is between the Lincoln and Washington Monuments. There is a reflecting pool directly west of the Capitol building, but it's not especially long. It can be hard to pick out the pools without the overlay if you're not familiar with the layout of the area, as the water isn't exactly pristine.

Point being - the picture on the F3 site is accurate. And actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they sourced an original photo and just....photoshopped it.

[Yoru]

Yup. That open space just reminded me of the Lincoln/Washington Reflecting Pool, but apparently it's just open space consisting of the National Mall.

I stand corrected.