Bethesda gets Fallout

[murdoc]

I've never played a Fallout game 

[Murgos]

I'll settle for any game where you can cut a person in half, with a chaingun.  Hell the overall lack of post-apoc settings in PC games is disgusting.

Or, if you planned right, cut them in half with a vicious punch to the chest.  Slayer perk rules!

[Daeven]

I've never played a Fallout game 

If you also have not played Planescape:Torment you are hereby exiled to the land of Woe, where all you get are EA sport title rehashes and buggy FPS's with 10 minutes of gameplay.

[Ironwood]

I've never played a Fallout game 

Then you just haven't fucking lived.

Get Fallout 2 now.  It's not dated (really) and it will provide hours and hours and literally hours of endless 'proper' RPG amusement.

[Ragnoros]

Fallout 1 is better. 

So I don't get killed maybe I should say I liked one better,  it was easier to get into because real weapons were more common early on and you didn't have to use a fucking stick to kill shit. The first 10% of Fallout2 really turned me off. After that it was all great but I put it on hold several times before I finally really got into it.

[Ironwood]

Well, you can balance that against the increased depth and range that 2 had and make up your own mind.

I'm with 2.

[Ragnoros]

Just to be clear IMO you should play them both, in order

AS for Falout3. I'm looking forward to playing it quite a bit. I think Ovlblivion was good with the exception of 2 major things. 1 Combat was meh, 2 I never gave a fuck about anyone or anything in it. It had little personality, and the lore was  IMO uninteresting. Fallout had interesting people and places, and it was fun. So heres hoping they make a worthy sequil.  But seeing as it probably wont be out for 2 years + I'm not holding my breath or anything.

[Ironwood]

If Fallout 3 can, on release, be described in any way or even in the same sentence as, Oblivion, it'll suck goat.

Unless that sentence is "Fallout 3 from the makers of Oblivion and completely different from said pile of cack is realeased...."

[murdoc]

I've never played a Fallout game 

If you also have not played Planescape:Torment you are hereby exiled to the land of Woe, where all you get are EA sport title rehashes and buggy FPS's with 10 minutes of gameplay.

*whew* Just barely dodged the land of Woe...

Currently trying to track down a copy of Fallout 1 AND 2.

[Sky]

I'll settle for any game where you can cut a person in half, with a chaingun. 

Well, you can cut someone in half with a shotgun in FEAR. I was running gpu tests on the new card last night and blasted a guy in half. Girlfriend was watching and I got a satisfying "Oh, gawd.." of disgust from her general direction. Pumped blood for a few seconds, too. I wish body parts didn't vanish, maybe there's an ini setting I could tweak it out.

Still, as fun as FEAR combat is, the utter lack of rpg elements or really much in the way of anything beyond shooting things gets old fast. Having started Planescape when the good PC was down, everything kinda pales.

[rk47]

If they hit the ranged combat right like Stalker, then there might be hope.

[Riggswolfe]

Well, this thread convinced me to drag out my Fallout 1&2 CDs to see if they play in XP. I'm not hopeful about Fallout 1 but we'll see.

[Ironwood]

Since this thread I've been hunting like hell for my F2 CD, which I saw only a week before.

But I can't find the fucking thing.  I fear I'll find it in one of Elena's Nappies shortly.

However, if I get it running, I'm totally keeping this thread alive by posting my character build and any interesting happenings.

(After reading the walk-through I posted, I finally figured out why the fuck I couldn't complete the child-ghost quest.  Apparently, the UK version removed the children to stop us shooting them in the crotch and waiting until they bled out.  For The Children, or something.)

[Strazos]

I'm somewhat sure that Fallout will actually run in XP.

[trias_e]

I'm playing fallout 1 in XP at the moment.

The game is a little simpler than I remember.

Still awesome.  Having 10 luck is just plain hax though.

[Strazos]

Sniping FTW...

Except for the final area...those fuckers were impossible to 1-shot with the sniper rifle.

[bhodi]

yeah, I abused the hell out of the crit system. I remember that. That, and having so much strength the sledgehammer knocked people clear across the map.

[Strazos]

If I play through again, I might go with energy weapons =)

[Yoru]

I can't find my Fallout 1 CD any more.. guess I'll have to pick up a fresh copy. Fortunately I found my F2 CD this weekend while cleaning out some old boxes. :)

[Ironwood]

If I play through again, I might go with energy weapons =)

Don't.

[Strazos]

But But But, WHY?

Last time I went through I used the top-end sniper rifle to 1-shot Deathclaws. I don't like melee, so What does that leave me with?

[Riggswolfe]

If memory serves Energy weapons are incredibly rare and so taking that skill is basically a waste.

I'm glad to hear FO1 runs on XP. I've heard rumors that new computers run too fast and so things like the random encounters on the world map don't work right, as in you rarely if ever have any. Anyone know if it's true? I'll probably post my build too. I usually choose the same two perks, the one that gives a +10 to stats but a minus to skills and the one that makes your enemies explode bloodily when you kill them but has no real gameplay effect.

[trias_e]

Interesting.  I've only had 2 random encounters so far, and each of them based on having 10 luck score.  I wonder if the real random encounters are indeed not working correctly.  Very possible, and unfortunate.  I figured it was just a statistical anomaly. 

IIRC Energy Weapons are good in the end-game, but you really need small arms to carry you through the first half.

[Murgos]

From what I recall the problem with energy weapons was that you can't get one until way late in the game.  So what ends up happening is that you have to split your skill points between energy weapons and some other 'temporary' ability.  I also think I recall that foes in combat armor were very hard to kill with energy weapons.

I did a quick shot specialist once.  That was pretty fun.  Nice to be able to shot two or three people and move before anyone else even blinks.

[Calantus]

If memory serves Energy weapons are incredibly rare and so taking that skill is basically a waste.

I'm glad to hear FO1 runs on XP. I've heard rumors that new computers run too fast and so things like the random encounters on the world map don't work right, as in you rarely if ever have any. Anyone know if it's true? I'll probably post my build too. I usually choose the same two perks, the one that gives a +10 to stats but a minus to skills and the one that makes your enemies explode bloodily when you kill them but has no real gameplay effect.

It's true. World encounters still work... you just fly around the world map so fast you don't leave the RNG much time to give you one. :P There's a fix out there somewhere, can't remember where though.

As for characters I always like:

Fast Shot (1 less AP for shooting, no targetted shots)
Gifted (+1 all stats, less skills)

Small Guns
Lockpicking
Speech

Then for stats I choose whatever will give me 10 of perc, luck, agi, and int by the end of the game. Why yes, I *am* a munchkin. :P Fast Shot is le awesome. Once you get sniper with 10 luck you wont need targeted shots for higher crit rates, and with better criticals you have about the same chance of extra damage or instant death with normal shots. Once you get 12 ap and the gauss pistol with fast shot and rapid fire you shoot 6 times in one round and are able to cut down entire squads of badguys before they get a chance to shoot back.

On the subject of energy weapons, lasers are pointless because anyone in metal armor or higher has huge resistance too it (plus mutants in the first game...). Plasma is alright, and the best weapon you can get in the first game, but you always get them late. In the first game my strat is always to tag small guns and then by the time I have plasma I have plenty of spare points to throw into energy weapons. In the second game you can get pulse pistol/rifle which are about as good as gauss, but they often disintegrate bodies (plasma also does the same from melting) leaving the loot on the ground making it hard to pick up, so I often dont bother and just stick with small guns in F2.

[MrHat]

So I never played Fallout either, and only played through maybe half of PS:Torment (oh so good).

Tried to reload PS:T last year and couldn't get over the gfx, I'm such a dirty whore.

If I get Fallout, will I have the same problem?

[Rasix]

Very likley.  Fallout 2 might have higher resolution options since it's not infinity engine game (offhand I don't know though), but it won't be pretty by today's standards.

[schild]

Torment is still gorgeous by today's standards.

Fallout 1 & 2 were never really that great looking. Ya know, browns.

[Rasix]

Torment is still gorgeous by today's standards.

Fallout 1 & 2 were never really that great looking. Ya know, browns.

Post apocolyptic is always loads of brown (or grey).  Auto Assault nailed that!

It adds something to Fallout's setting.  In Auto Assault it just felt lazy.

Edit: Maybe it's time for another Fallout play through.  Not sure if I still have my Fallout 1 disks. I know I have the disks for 2.  Other games are going to get angry with me.

[Rasix]

Loaded up Fallout 2. Couldn't find my Fallout 1 disks.  /cry

Noticed something I never had before.  When I first arrived at the Den, I talk to Rebecca and she gives me 1k cash, an uzi and metal armor. Said that my boyfriend was gave them to me and he was going to go be a commando or something (female char).  Does this happen in every game and I just haven't played in long enough to remember or was this a "lol chix get free stuff" moment?

Making a combination quick shot, gifted small arms/martial arts/speech person.  Your basic fast talking, run-and-gun super hero.  Fun so far, but I pretty much always play a Fallout game with some variant on this combo (usually more of a sniper).

edit: Hah.  Just looked on Gamefaqs.  You get the free stuff if you name your character "Buffy".  I love this game.

[Ironwood]

Which leads us to the conclusion that you named your character Buffy.  You're a sick man.

I think there's other stuff that you get for Buffy as well, isn't there ?

[NiX]

There's a fix out there somewhere, can't remember where though.

On that note, any suggestions for patches? I know there are official ones, but I'm seeing a lot of fan made ones to fix bugs that were still left over after the fact.

[Azazel]

This thread made me start playing Fallout Tactics again. I love me some action-point, turn-based combat.

Too bad my guys can't hit the broad side of a barn.

[NiX]

Found the fix for the lack of encounters. Unfortunately it's at gamespot

[Calantus]

There's a fix out there somewhere, can't remember where though.

On that note, any suggestions for patches? I know there are official ones, but I'm seeing a lot of fan made ones to fix bugs that were still left over after the fact.

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/dload.php?action=category&cat_id=16

I got mine from one of those, again I can't remember exactly which it is, but if you look there you'll find it.