War

[Trigona]

We all knew the campaign for Fountain was going well and now we know the dysfunctional crap going on behind the scenes with IT.  This does not bode well for Blast or Hun Reloaded who are IT's pets in Fountain, in fact it doesn't bode well for IT down in sunny Delve either.

[Sir T]

When I did backup FCing in IAC I generally was in a Covert Ops frig so they could NOT take me out. Granted I know how to fly one without dying every fight unlike Mollie (or DBRB for that matter)

Its also one of the reasons I leaned wing command skills as no spy could warp me into trouble if i was in a wing command position, and a spy warping to me would generally miss decloaking me if i was moving (happened a few times)

[palmer_eldritch]

I hope you tear down Delve and then just fuck off and let them retake it from whichever bunch of no-hopers moves in.

And then go back and tear it down again. And again if needed.

[tgr]

I didn't bother typing up anything after the big fight (and the cake), since it was just basically us goons+allies derping around shooting SBUs, stations, ihubs, tcus and the occasional (one) smartbombing HUN BS fleet, but damn I've been waiting for this forum porn.

I don't think I've mentioned this, and it probably isn't news either, but I'll just throw this out there. I am literally shocked at how badly IT were at fleet fighting, compared to both a year ago (in fountain) and half a year ago (in MAX2). I'm surprised we were even fighting the same alliance.

As for delve, I wonder what would happen if we were to just take fountain, then just sit there for half a year, sending ~wulfpax~ into their systems, and let them wallow in their own filth until they died all on their own.

[MahrinSkel]

Yeah we take out their FC, their backup FCs and target callers, their anchors and their command ships in the first few minutes of each fight, together with any ecelebs that turn up on their mains.  It has meant that FCs are strangely reluctant to show up for some reason, with today's FC calling off their op, yesterday's never actually existing and Molle chickening out and leaving it to a minion on Friday.

This is why we used to put our FC's in CovOps, and if they couldn't then the tactical chain of command descended to our CovOps scouts.  I was never officially an FC, but I wound up commanding engagements (at least long enough to manage the retreat) a dozen or so times.

I would have expected that to have become normal by now, at the very least expecting FC's to two-box with a CovOps alt.

--Dave

EDIT: BTW, you might let mittens know he's got a 'tell'.  Pretty sure I know which CEO he's getting his info from, just from reading that.

[Fordel]

That's what I don't understand, can't the FC just run some no-name alt while still calling from his main e-fame account?

[tgr]

Mahrin: Pretty certain mittens doesn't care about throwing away who the spy is in this case.

I'm not seeing whatever the tell might be from what I've seen, but then again I'm not exactly bothering to look that closely, nor am I well-versed in anti-spy techniques. vOv

[Endie]

Our FCs generally run three or four accounts, but in the last few weeks they've just sat on grid in the FC position as anchor and let the hostiles try and primary them.  It is very hard to take down a vulture when we had to lift the 50-person limit on the logistics channel due to being overwhelmed with those heroes of repping.

One big difference between us is that the IT FCs have yet to grasp the basic skill of how to call targets that their fleet can hit while our FCs are running probes and getting warpins on the hostiles within five or six seconds of them arriving on grid.

[MahrinSkel]

Mahrin: Pretty certain mittens doesn't care about throwing away who the spy is in this case.

I'm not seeing whatever the tell might be from what I've seen, but then again I'm not exactly bothering to look that closely, nor am I well-versed in anti-spy techniques. vOv

It's his economy of words when doing these dumps, when he says something he doesn't need to it speaks volumes that he said it at all.  I know *why* he does it (too easy to start running off at the keyboard and give away things without realizing it), but if you know what to look for, it make certain things jump right off the screen.

And he's willing to risk the spy in this case, but he's not outright burning him.  For his purposes, making the IT CEO's paranoid about which one of them is playing both sides is useful in and of itself, he doesn't want it to be easily resolved.

I used to gather a lot of this kind of thing, learning from party B what C's spies were seeing in D.  I got pretty good at reading between the lines, and saw a lot of Mittens' stuff (sometimes 2-3 versions of the same basic intel summary, tailored for different audiences).  People will guard their own intel like grim death, but once it starts getting handed around a coalition they aren't so careful with someone else's.  Especially when you have it from multiple sources, and they haven't consulted on how and what to cover.

--Dave

[tgr]

Oh, you mean the descriptions of the people being quoted? I thought that was mittens' comments. No matter.

I'm kind of miffed that aj regard isn't still in IT, I would've loved to see what his ... unique view/spin on this would be. I really do not get snsmasta's attempt at misdirection by saying "but there's better porn on the forums". It doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his alliance, in fact it makes me desperate for more forum porn and to join fleets to push their shit in even further, just to generate even more.

[Numtini]

Really? Mynas in Goons might have some problems with "cultural fit?" How could anyone ever think such a thing?

Please please give me a heads up before we reset them. I've been playing MMOs since UO and this is the single biggest jerk I've met in that entire time. I've never shot blues and it would be a great place to start.

[tgr]

Ok, I give up searching for it, but I thought it was just one MH corp, not mynas' corp itself that left/was kicked out of MH, taking down EC- with it.

I'm a retard, it was in the CEO update. Ok, the possibility for some inter-alliance drama suddenly spiked.

[Numtini]

Nope, at least according to his killboard, he's in ETNY.

[Sir T]

I remember Mynas bieng a worse local fagger upper than me at my worst, and thats saying something.

That said, Proxay of Blade takes my prize as one of the worst wankers I've ever run across in an MMO.

[eldaec]

Mynas will do fine in Goonswarm - he posts for one thing, but doesn't go about making EVE = WWII analogies or asking people to tighten shot groups, but recognises EVE is a bunch of neckbeards in basements (its us), keeping this in mind is 80% of the trick to avoiding drama in goonswarm.

I'd only really worry about any "e-honour gf gf" types in the ranks, but have no idea about the culture of the specific corp so don't know if this will be an issue.

Also, this is getting very specific and personal for the (public) holy Yoru War Thread - it might be better if this discussion moves to another place.

[Pennilenko]

I remember Mynas bieng a worse local fagger upper than me at my worst, and thats saying something.

That said, Proxay of Blade takes my prize as one of the worst wankers I've ever run across in an MMO.

There has never been anyone worse than you. Not ever.......

[Endie]

I made a sequel in the Molle Chronicles, if anyone has a spare four minutes or so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yojnHhSoQo4

[tgr]

I wasn't there to witness it myself, but apparently IT hotdropped the 9r4 SBU cleanup crew:

http://www.killboard.it/?a=kill_related&kll_id=244433

And they apparently also reinforced the station with around 200 people, with no real response from us.

On the one hand I hope they don't regain momentum and start fighting back (because it's hilarious to see them squirm and rage), on the other hand I hope they do (fights is why we play this shitty game after all).

Fakeedit: oh no you didn't just make a "biggest fan" and "huge support" joke.

[Sir T]

There has never been anyone worse than you. Not ever.......

Oh that is not even close to being true. Not even close. But who am I to rail against the power of meme. 

Anyway Mittani has posted some more porn in the above thread. Nothing too interesting or surprising, sadly.

[tgr]

Yesterday was more of the same, SBUing up quite a few systems and running around taking out cynojammers/reinforcing TCUs etc.

Today began with barely catching the fleet being gooncannoned to V6-NY1 to kill a carrier sitting afk on the station undock:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8509935

We then got gooncannoned towards LIWW, and DBRB told us on the way that we'd probably be engaging "slightly outnumbered". We decided to go in anyways and see how it went. Apparently, it could've gone better:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8510853

Turns out when DBRB said "slightly outnumbered", he should've said "outnumbered 2:1 BS-wise", and I don't remember any mention of how many logis we and they had. And while DBRB was doing a good job of FCing in the first place, this was clearly a case of a fight which was lost before it even began.

So that's two days in a row where IT have actually both outnumbered us AND won the fight, in euro tz. Maybe the CEO leaks lit a fire under their asses. If so, then it's about time, as it looked like we were going to just steamroll the entire region without any real opposition already, which wouldn't be much fun.

Final update: TCUs in y-1wq1 and a-hzyl destroyed, ihubs in e-bwuu and sple-y (mollish for 'spell'?), and a few systems saved (I think, I wasn't there and I didn't pay sufficient attention when the FC recapped the situation). Only reports of enemy movements were a few clown ~wulfpax~ gatecamps in 3we etc.

[Endie]

Blast, IT's biggest pet, are evaccing to Syndicate and/or Empire.

[tgr]

Fleet formed up as the 3we TCU was killed by IT. We spent a few minutes de-SBUing PNQY while we waited for the rest of the fleet to catch up. We then burned to 9r4 and within 50km of the station while we waited for IT+pets to either engage or stand down. The IT fleet was mainly maelstroms, backed up by sys-k in drakes, and they were outnumbered about 2:1.

In other words, this was shaping up to be a repeat of tuesday's welp, only with the roles reversed. The main differences were that we jumped into them through a gate, whereas they got into the system just fine before they warped to our grid and engaged us, and if it even mattered, they had more logis than we did.

Apparently they didn't have a targetcaller, as they were switching between going A-Z and Z-A until they just warped off into their POS. They then gave their fleet the order to run and hide. A short while later, someone just joined the IT fleet and asked where the fleet was. The response was "scattered to the winds."

9r4 station has been shieldrepped, and the SBUs killed.

In other news, I stumbled upon this awesome bit of IT propaganda (rehosted in case they take it down):

Compare that to what our side made:

Needless to say, their propaganda machine has much to learn.

[Sir T]

Mittenz has posted some IRC logs of the guy 'everyone in IT respects' and is is such a good and calm leader...


For those who don't know, Messiah is Molles alt.

Seriously if any leader in any alliance I've ever been in had gone off like that, he would have a page of "fuck off you wanker" to deal with.

[FatuousTwat]

Words

You forgot the part where their FC's last order was "HIDE!".

[tgr]

Actually, I did say that they gave their fleet the order to run and hide, but I didn't emphasize the fact that the FC literally said "HIDE!" as his final order. vOv

Quick edit: As an apology, imagine this is IT's retreat from the battlefield:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX07ierlgc0

[tgr]

The op start off well, with 1 drake pilot almost getting killed before the op even starts because he was idling at a gate in j5a while watching youtube. Once that's taken care of, we start the op off properly by reinforcing the j5a 11-1 and 11-3 POS of SUITS.

We then bridged to e-bwuu, but the ihub was already incapped when we got there, before burning to z30, incapping the 5-2 POS, killing all the modules on that POS, and taking the ihub into shield reinforce.

next up is VG, where we took down the cynojammer before the supers were cynoed in and supers and subcaps began a race to see who could finish what first. Supers on the ihub, subcaps on the pos (and its mods). It was a close race, but subcaps won by a hair. 2 SBUs were FA's, and interestingly 1 was IT's. I've no idea why.

The FC calls it a night even though the majority of the fleet wants to go finish off the final system that's vulnerable, and we go break up a 35 strong IT HAC gang who had been camping 3we for 3+ hours.

AFAIK, only 2 clowns were killed on this OP, and no porn was read.

[tgr]

I'm lacking most of the details of today because the game went :ccp: and didn't want to let me bridge along with the main fleet, but what I gathered was that we got hotdropped by IT while incapping the z30 IHUB. Apparently they jumped in 30+ supercaps 150km off the main fleet, but the titan which was supposed to bridge in the subcaps jumped instead, which meant that even though our dreads had around a full minute left of their siege cycle, they still all got out. 2 carriers weren't so lucky, however and were DDed.

Intel said that IT eventually ended up with 85 mael, 17 drakes, 8 scimi, 23 super carriers, 29 regular carriers, 8 titans, 21 apocs. I think they incapped 9r4 before leaving to somewhere, while we incapped the E-B IHUB, took out one of the 4-e SBUs and went home.

IT apparently found their balls again about 30-60 minutes later, as they were reported going to 4-e, then xf-, then YZS where I think they took down a TCU, then 4-e where they fiddled around with SBUs, and finally j5a where they repped the two POSes they had on 11-1 and 11-3, and put up SBUs. A few hours later, and they've all left or logged out, leaving just a 30 strong bomber squad.

Action picks up again around 22:30 eve, when IT manages to reinforce the IHUB shortly after we got into the system, after which their supers jump out, leaving their entire subcaps to be camped into j5a for 2-3 hours.

Tomorrow sees 2 important IT systems have their final timers, so should be interesting to see how IT defends them. Hopefully there'll be a ton of fighting to be done, because there hasn't really been a lot of it the past few days.

In other unrelated news, found more sad IT propaganda (again rehosted in case they take it down):

Our response?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwRaYWHfdTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IAcF5qg3Jw

[tgr]

Today didn't go as well as was hoped. Fleet formed up and bridged into z30. Long story short, we scrapped for a bit at our staging POS, one aeon got bounced out of shields and died right before he got back into shields, and the race to kill the IHUB or SBUs first ended up with IT+pets winning that race. As a result, IT saved both z30 and v6- stations.

Quick analysis of the BR showed that IT had 12 titans, 28 SC, 7 dreads and 61 carriers, in addition to their subcaps which I can't be arsed to count.

IT rebounded from this victory by apparently derping around incapping various crap in j5a, b-db and pnqy, and probably a few other systems I didn't catch while glancing at the intel channel.

[Gets]

Server went down while we had titans on gates  :welp:

[Sir T]

Seems like standard tactics from them. Blob like hell with Supercaps.

[tgr]

Unlike us, who blob like hell with angry dudes in subcaps during US TZ.

I'm not going to make WW2 analogies, but this has turned away from being the landgrab we've enjoyed the past few months, and into what might become more of an endurance war. With IT resetting z30 and v6- on their last timers by using their caps superiority in EU TZ, and us using numbers superiority and reinforcing their stuff in US TZ, it'll be a case of who breaks morale first.

In this, the CEO leaks have given me confidence that we won't be the ones breaking first, but time'll tell.

Quick edit: Anyone know how much IT were helping INIT the past week, or have they retreated from that scenario to bolster up on the fountain front?

[tgr]

Long story short, IT reinforced tons of our shit in EU TZ, we repped it and reinforced tons of their shit.

Because the update is so boring, here's a consolation prize:
http://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=66549

[Muffled]

How much does it cost to use a doomsday, if anything?

[Sir T]

It uses up a load of isotopes, 50,000 is the base amount, and I cant remember if there's a skill to reduce that.

The bigger question is what the hell was a stealth bomber doing sitting around long enough to be doomsdayed?   It takes 30 seconds to fire!

[MahrinSkel]

From the looks of it, they were using the DD for a speed-clean of leftover POS modules (they're a PITA to shoot up, and you can't drop a new POS until you get rid of them all) and caught an AFK bomber somebody was using to watch them.

--Dave