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Sparky
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Oh man if I don't get to unironically use the term "triple shit" quite shortly there might be hell to pay. Kugu.com is flaky as shit lately
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Phred
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Are they getting DDOSed again? Kugu must have pissed someone off recently. And where am I going to hear all about how Di-Tron Heavy Industries left Atlas to join Brick Squad?
I'm not so sure it's being ddos'd as the https trick isn't working and that trick always works with goonfleet and kugu, unless the crooks have figured out to flood both ports. I'm not sure how much part the encryption plays in the protection but if it figures largely there'd be no way to ddos a site using https urls. Kugu never fixed his site to work after the last ddos though after his upgrade so it would be a bunch of work to make https work there again I'd guess..
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« Last Edit: September 09, 2010, 10:07:16 PM by Phred »
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Gets
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Kitsune
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Only in Eve would you see a huge war sparked off over ruining one douche. It only adds to the funny that PL apparently withdrew when they found out that he wasn't actually in AAA. Can you just imagine the current discussion going on in the Dead Terrorists directorate?
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Sparky
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Pretty sure the withdrawing thing is a troll but we'll see.
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Sir T
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I have a feeling Bitter Dog will very shortly be enjoying the company of the newbie corp as no-on e in eve will have him. I'm sure the Dead Terrorists will be really happy to have an excuse to boot him out.
Someone should shop a pic of the tv show "Dog the bounty hunter" with "Dog the mouthy hunted"
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« Last Edit: September 10, 2010, 07:33:52 PM by Sir T »
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Hic sunt dracones.
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Kageru
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It's just as likely it will be a cover for them pushing over the swaying -A-. They put the CSAA's into reinforced and the test will be if they come back to kill them. They've got a fairly massive momentum and material advantage at the moment and they've got to be tempted to us it.
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Kageru
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PL also have to maintain the massive morale boost they gained from smashing Atlas apart. That's done by giving their pilots lots of nice killing without taking the sort of losses that would blunt their momentum. So throttling -A-'s production of supercaps gives them both good fights, easy kills and maintains their advantage. The don't want to hold the space but they don't want anyone else fielding massive super-cap blobs either.
For the sake of the game it would be good if they lost some serious resources in this, but I can easily see that not happening.
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Is a man not entitled to the hurf of his durf? - Simond
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setar
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Why would they stop? There's nobody in -A- who would organize any resistance, and there's a *lot* more systems with CSAA's. So far they've only hit a single corp.
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Kageru
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You have to admire that Blaster Worm post. He's pretty much managed to give PL/Init more reason to kill him and burnt about the only possible meaningful ally he might have.
That said I do hope IT are building a lot of super-capitals and have the people to fly them. If a super-cap fleet saunters into your home system they're not likely to be bothered by a battleship fleet. Though that would probably have been cut apart by AHACs / bombers well before that time.
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« Last Edit: September 11, 2010, 10:26:13 PM by Kageru »
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Is a man not entitled to the hurf of his durf? - Simond
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Endie
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Sorry to be such a tease, and not terribly important, in most respects, but there's a couple of "oh... heh"-type individual personel-level things coming up in the alliance.
In the meantime, we've been focussing on integrating a tighter bloc of alliances around our comms, working with WI (who also have excellent IT infrastructure people), Test and the DC to fashion something a bit less unwieldy than the NC with whom to Do Stuff. One advantage is that a very substantial number of active supercaps are shaping up, here.
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Comstar
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I'm not sure what's going on, but Ev0ke seem to be invading the NC. They've deployed POS's in Pure Blind and regularly rep it with 2 Supercarriers, 5 carriers and 10 support (someone needs to Hotdrop them). They are also attacking the Pure Blind Jump bridges.
Also, Molle, now is your time to backstab AAA. Do it, do it now.
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tgr
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And apparently they're doing just that. HED apparently just got SBUed.
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Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.
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Sparky
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Heh, short of a miracle AAA is done. Don't think many will be sad to see them go. Interesting times down south.
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setar
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Bit of a shame. I was still hoping ET and some of the old crew would come back for one more round; the game did benefit from some of the 'evil russian' style policies and campaigns.
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Sir T
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Whats your take on what happened to AAA, Setar?
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Hic sunt dracones.
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setar
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Same what happened in a lot of other 'old' alliances. Lack of interest, burnout, and general lack of interest. Even when ET was still around -A- was struggling, but with him gone there was nobody left to keep the Russian folks in the loop and actively engaged (hence White Noise, Darkside and Co). Any attempts to reform was blocked by the (non-playing) old guard, and how well diplomacy works, internally or externally, is aptly demonstrated by Kir Laeda and Blaster Worm right now.
There are tons of other reasons. With some leadership folks having alts in WN and PL to ensure a continuation of ISK farming I'm sure RMT issues also played a significant role in what could and couldn't be done.
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tgr
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Just another victim of cyber age discrimination.
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Molle forum porn: http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?6777-Catch-Tenerifis-Immensea&p=114481&viewfull=1#post114481Kir Laeda13:39 ok, can we talk about reestablishing our relations? Molle13:40 What would we stand to gain from that? Kir Laeda13:41 What is it that u would like to gain? And this whole WN stuff will not stop after they siege us. Molle13:42 WN doesnt worry me whatsoever Kir Laeda13:42 we can start with helping protecting each others motherland Molle13:42 we have three choices 1) Do nothing 2) Ally up with WN 3) Ally up with AAA right now im standing firmly at 1 Molle13:43 And protecting each others motherland is protecting yours, ours is not in danger from anyone The bit I bolded sounds like something just begging to be contradicted.
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« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 02:01:58 PM by tgr »
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Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.
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Comstar
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Krugs's up and down all the time- Alternate thread. It's like reading a discussion between the Polish Foreign Minister and Molotov while the Panzers are headed to Warsaw.
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Kageru
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Strategically it is a brilliant move on IT's part though. Having used the silly buggers stuff in cloud ring to start waking up the alliance he takes the initiative and puts PL in a relatively tough situation. Since they're not defending their own territory there are less ways to force IT into disadvantaged fights, it removes PL's support since Init is blue to IT, they are fighting in hostile territory (vaguely) and provides a chance to slow PL's morale and momentum. In theory if they can make it costly for PL then even, even if PL comes out on top, the weaker industrial base of PL should mean they feel the losses more. Though in practice I suspect their battle-chest is pretty huge. Either way a much better battleground for IT.
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Sir T
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I'm not sure where you are getting the "putting PL in a tough position" bit. Mollie did fuck all to get PL to attack AAA. That convo (as far as I can tell) is someone from AAA trying to get IT to intervene. We've had PL vs IT quote recently and it was a load of IT Supercapital wrecks. I don't see what PL taking AAA space (if they bother) is going to do to change that. PL can stage from Aradia and raid anywhere in Delve in any case.
Mollies actions are more like Hitler thinking occupying Poland is going to break the Russian advance in WW2.
The real defense IT have is that Delve is a royal pain in the arse to occupy AND the fact is its not very valuable strategically. Uniquely, there is no space behind it to make it worth going through to gain access to that real estate, whereas space in the east has been expanding for years.
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Hic sunt dracones.
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Phildo
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I'm personally more concerned about PL and IT stepping on each others' toes and not getting the job done.
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Kageru
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I never suggested Molle did anything to mobilize PL, nor did I suggest PL is going to be taking -A- space or can't find stations to stage from (though it might limit their ability to use super capitals).
PL has always had the mobility gained from not being interested in holding space or being forced into defensive fights. As long as IT is fighting in -A- territory they share that advantage and have removed PL's allies leaving them possibly over extended. Even if IT don't win much better to try and whittle PL down a bit in Catch than wait in Delve and allow them another morale and material boosting walk-over.
-A- are pretty irrelevant. They're almost certainly done between IT, Init and PL wandering their space.
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Kovacs
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Is it possible that we should be giving Init. credit for some sort of Machiavellian coup to get both PL and BOB to blue up against -A- or just right time right enemy?
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Kageru
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I doubt it. It's all about morale and momentum. PL wants to continue the killing they've been enjoying and IT wants to slow them down and make them a bit more cautious. -A- was just in the middle and really vulnerable.
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Sir T
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I doubt this is strategically anything more than a land grab by IT, and I VERY much doubt they have any intention of going anywhere near PL if they can help it.
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Kageru
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The IT and PL AHAC gangs have already been shooting each other. Probably the first time in a while PL has bled a little (10+ T3 cruisers, all but 1 logistic and some number of zealots). wait we lost 45 people? how? - Mr Rivers.
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« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 09:14:06 PM by Kageru »
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Is a man not entitled to the hurf of his durf? - Simond
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Sir T
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You sure you have the right battlererport there? I'm trying not to be a prick but that battlereport does not bear out that description at all, and I did look around the Pandemic killboard and I'm not seeing 10+ strategic cruisers dead either (5 died in that battle and I think I saw another one somewhere)
Fairly significant losses isk wise, either way.
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« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 10:00:42 PM by Sir T »
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Hic sunt dracones.
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Kageru
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There were about 7 separate engagements and 4 fleets on field. You can piece all the kill-board reports together if you like but since the loss quote is from a PL battle report I can't see why they'd exaggerate their losses. We pull off, killing some dudes while starting to lose zealot or two. We kill most of their tackle, but at this stage are 10+ ahacs down, having killed 5-7 only in draeks/etc bc. So I call align and save what we had left with 1 guardian left alive. Naturally remaining T3 is tackled along with few HAC. I rage some more at our br0ski Noobjuice and we retreat to few jumps off and logoff for a break after 8h pew-pew op.
Massive fun, got too cocky in the end and lost our T3 fleet (like 10+) and took a bit of anal penetration. But the cock was starting to be too sore anyway for frontal assault, so nobody really minds. They do mention 10 of the losses being "cyno cheetahs" and lag having a part to play in their losses. It is probably only a tiny tiny dent in PL's resources but it reduces momentum a little and no doubt encourages IT (even though I'm sure they lost more). The other interesting question is where are the supercaps? In theory everyone has some but none of them have a really safe staging ground. It will be interesting to see what part they have to play. Barring -A- breaking out their own, if they haven't been sold, I could see the fight staying at the AHAC level since neither IT or PL want to lose supercaps in this.
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« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 10:09:55 PM by Kageru »
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Is a man not entitled to the hurf of his durf? - Simond
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Sir T
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I just cross checked all the PL losses going down the list. All I see is 7 T3 losses in catch, 2 to -A-. *Shrug* Its just a minor thing really, and maybe not all the losses are up yet. {edit} Hah, reading that I can see why he was exaggerating. He was saying he lost 10+ of their T3 fleet, not 10+ T3 cruisers, which is accurate. Ok, Nit picky brain is now satisfied
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« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 10:32:51 PM by Sir T »
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Hic sunt dracones.
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Yoru
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Revisionist history slapfight split off and syndicated. Stop eating into my Recettear time, dudes!
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Phildo
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Reposting Molle's initial response to Blaster Worm's CAOD thread: Excuse me?
Are you trying to give me bad conscience that we are NOT supporting you, after YOU reset us, and basically left us no choice but to leave the north?
And you have the stomache to go public claiming the same?
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Gets
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VIDYA is joining TEST. The North now has the most annoying trolling power in the known universe.
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Comstar
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Who are they and how do they control such power?
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Defending the Galaxy, from the Scum of the Universe, with nothing but a flashlight and a tshirt. We need tanks Boo, lots of tanks!
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