War

[palmer_eldritch]

I was in the support fleet. Initially, a bunch of us were titan bridged into 90- right next to a POS where Kenny etc were sheltering. I guess that at that stage they had already withdrawn from our cap fleet.

We shot anything which came out of the POS until Kenny got more reinforcements into the system and attacked us. I think we retreated for a bit (I died so I'm not certain).

I got back into 90- in a new ship just in time for us to attack them at their POS again. They came out to fight, but when the battle turned against them they went back inside.

We then spent 40 minutes or so shooting anything which came outside the POS, which they did quite a lot for some reason.

I got on 13 killmails but I was only in a Brutix and can't shoot stuff unless it gets pretty close to me.

The most important thing though is that Kenny was stuck fighting us instead of harassing our caps while they do their thing.

[palmer_eldritch]

Ok I meant to edit my post and quoted it instead.

[Endie]

The killboard report on the hostiles involved in that battle makes good reading next time anyone criticises the alignment of the six alliances TCF, PL, Goons, MM, Razor, ZAF as a naptrain or blob:

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/battles/1157

Also, look at the difference in balance between losses (24 frigates, 11 cruisers and 37 pods) and kills there.  Obviously, our allies will have stuff lost, too.

[Phildo]

 Do I see 16 alliances there?  I think I see 16 alliances there.  Here's the NC battle report of the same fight, they lost quite a decent number of T2 cruisers.

http://www.northern-coalition.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=400298

[Sir T]

It was a fun fight. What essentially happened is that the caps found a pos to attack to the came in with gusto, then multiple enemy fleet pored into system to attack our caps at the POS and reinforcements started coming in from Catch. When we bridged in from PR they fled inside the pos and our caps flew to the gate, the dreads cynoing out. More enemies poared in from multiple systems on top of our fleet now at the UEXO gate and AAA titan bridged into the battle. Our carriers held open a cyno and everything that went near them died. Eventually our dreads were brought back in and they started smashing apart enemies out of siege, from long range, as the battle moved away from our capitals. The enemy eventually bugged out back to the pos, where they continued to pos dance and lost a lot of ships hoping into and out of the pos shield.

[Sparky]

CAOD is rarely worth linking to, but there's some very interesting dirty laundry being aired in the "Request: Mittani and Haargoth of Goon" thread.  Starting here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=991216&page=2#44

Just in case you passed over that thread like me.

[Endie]

CAOD is rarely worth linking to, but there's some very interesting dirty laundry being aired in the "Request: Mittani and Haargoth of Goon" thread.  Starting here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=991216&page=2#44

Just in case you passed over that thread like me.

Yeah, Lord WarTron of the Endless Wealth was suiciding T2 ships with faction fittings in the cargohold (lets hope some newbie in a rifter made a profit off the drops!) to entertain the PR camp for a few days, as part of his public disgust with Kenny.

Also, I dunno why this post by SirT was Syndicated, because it has some very useful battle reports and a reasonable bit of analysis:

Am I supposed to be intimidated of bieng called primary by Kenny with the amount of battles I've been in with them? Besides they already know who I am and they called me primary for a month solid in this war and they never got me till I got lazy. (Love the agility of the mega)

And btw we have been hearing lots of people reporting that EXE really has no idea why they are still allied with Kenny and one of their FCs said straight out in local to one of ours that he has no idea why EXE are following Kenny orders. EXE knows as well as we do if they get clear, they will be fine. Kenny needs EXE, but EXE has no need of Kenny.

Anyway, just chased a 70 Man Kenny gang away from NOL with 30 people (killed 5 or 6 hacs and BCs and lost a destroyer, 2 frigs and an interceptor) and then bridged them onto another 100 man Kenny lead gang with even numbers (when you add the TCf gang already there) and Kenny fled rather than fight. Sometimes you have to realize you lose more running than standing and fighting.

This last bit seems reasonable: Kenny are hardly the first alliance (Vanguard, anyone?) to discover that "deny them kills" and "sit tight, boys, we'll wait them out" are not sustainable strategies if you want to maintain effectiveness at short notice.

[JoeTF]

By the way...

I have been looking at the activity on corporation and alliance forums, as well as TS presence (took me 5 minutes to locate Evol and RKK channels, cause they were deserted, at euro prime) and in-game presence for few past days and I just came to conclusion that BOB is now officially dead.

Well, not officially, but still pretty much dead.

I'll be talking one week vacations from EVE, maybe it will miraculously revive by then. We will see.

[Nevermore]

It's all a clever ruse!  Freed from the shackles of POS warfare, BoB Kenny has the Goons right where they want them!

[JoeTF]

That's one fast answer, Nevermore:)

[Reg]

I've never been a fan of BoB but it kind of saddens me seeing you say that Joe.

[Murgos]

That's one fast answer, Nevermore:)

117 characters in 28 seconds = and average of 4.18 characters a second.  Whooo-Weee!  He was hot on ya, dawg!

[Endie]

By the way...

I have been looking at the activity on corporation and alliance forums, as well as TS presence (took me 5 minutes to locate Evol and RKK channels, cause they were deserted, at euro prime) and in-game presence for few past days and I just came to conclusion that BOB is now officially dead.

Well, not officially, but still pretty much dead.

I'll be talking one week vacations from EVE, maybe it will miraculously revive by then. We will see.

Well, if it turns out that you're right then good luck with what you do next in Eve.

Just not too much good luck, seeing as how I imagine we'll be the target 

[Nevermore]

That's one fast answer, Nevermore:)

117 characters in 28 seconds = and average of 4.18 characters a second.  Whooo-Weee!  He was hot on ya, dawg!

Missed the 5 4 minutes to go along with the 28 seconds?

[JoeTF]

Ups...

[Jayce]

We've been seeing pretty regular LadyScarlet gangs, 50-100, in US prime the last few nights.

She is DICE though if I remember correctly, so that may be different.  Also, what about the other two "main" ex-BoB corps?

[Murgos]

That's one fast answer, Nevermore:)

117 characters in 28 seconds = and average of 4.18 characters a second.  Whooo-Weee!  He was hot on ya, dawg!

Missed the 5 4 minutes to go along with the 28 seconds?

Yeah, I thought Joe's post was at 1:59:59.  Missed that '5' in there...

[Phildo]

I've seen some BNC and FinFleet in the Lady Scarlet wolfpacks, but not too many.

Joe: pretty much what Endie said.

[JoeTF]

By the way...

I have been looking at the activity on corporation and alliance forums, as well as TS presence (took me 5 minutes to locate Evol and RKK channels, cause they were deserted, at euro prime) and in-game presence for few past days and I just came to conclusion that BOB is now officially dead.

Well, not officially, but still pretty much dead.

I'll be talking one week vacations from EVE, maybe it will miraculously revive by then. We will see.

Well, if it turns out that you're right then good luck with what you do next in Eve.

Just not too much good luck, seeing as how I imagine we'll be the target 

Don't worry. General agreement is that we have fought goons for long time and that PL are in dire need to have their egos deflated with nail gun. The plan for goons would be to wait till you have less allies in Delve area and then wipe you out. Of course, it's an open question if BOBKenzoku will survive for that long.


(Disclaimer: be so nice and don't c&p this little drama porn to CAOD and everywhere)
It's actually quite funny. Remember when Sir T wrote that we are going to launch a huge offensive during Christmas (I think) and I answered that he got no clue?
I said that because at that moment (it was day after cleist suicided our capital fleet in 0-w during goon prime), BoB was literally, a centimeter close of falling apart. In fact, I was busy packing my stuff into jump freighter. the plan was that we (BOB) attack 0-w and act like decoy, while AAA takes out another constellation. the key part of the plan was that we were not to engage into any decisive battle under any circumstance, just make sure the goons have to camp us and be busy. There were literally entire pages written about it by DICE and FNFL directors. Then, after when the whole operation was about to succeed, Cleist comes and basically suicides our fleet.
Now, that by itself wouldn't be as bad, but the fallout... Tholarim got a bit extra emo on irc, and apparently Molle waked up on wrong foot that day too, since he banned Tholarim from irc...
and all other alliance communication channels.
That drove already angry Tholarim into emo-overdrive; emergency corp meeting was called, where members were told to leave BOB operated fleets, effective immediately, and start packing their stuff. FNFL was about to follow suit.

So, why BoB didn't that day?
It wasn't due to utterly horrible mediation attempt by [Evol] Zeus*. It was because during second directors meeting someone said "Guys, but if we split know, it's gonna look like goons won". It was followed with moment of silence and everyone agreed that "We have to finish this goon business first, and then split".

Basically, the BOB didn't fall apart that day just because of you. And that was closest ever it was to falling in it's whole history.
That day you saved BOB, and now you apparently killed it.


*the very first words he heard when he joined DICE channel was "Tholarim: "(...)go to BBQ and set Molle on fire" (it was actually a punchline of lighthearted joke about him never showing on any RL meets), and from there, things only got worse.

[Thrawn]

(Disclaimer: be so nice and don't c&p this little drama porn to CAOD and everywhere)

We do have other Goons reading this thread just so you know (and I'm guessing you are aware).  Including Darjius Johnson who I'm told is not someone faking the name as I originaly assumed. 

[Sir T]

Joe we have the IRC logs. I've read them. Stop lying.


Yes including the director ones.

[Sir T]

Moving away from fiction here's Mittani's blog on the fall of Delve

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/65110

(not coping and pasting its too long)

[Phildo]

Joe, that's a pretty great post.  Still, I don't suppose there are TS recordings or chat logs to back it up?  I'd be pretty flattered if BoB hated Goons so much that it held them together even when they were apparently falling apart.

[Goumindong]

The plan for goons would be to wait till you have less allies in Delve area and then wipe you out. .

Is this some sort of joke?

[Predator Irl]

Don't worry. General agreement is that we have fought goons for long time and that PL are in dire need to have their egos deflated with nail gun.

PL have been kicking Bobs asses for months, camping their fleet in stations etc. (Which makes basing out of PR- even more of a moronic leadership decision to base there for this war). What makes you think a morale drained alliance is going to do anything now? Also, why would Kenny focus on PL when its Goons taking their space? Nonsense!

The plan for goons would be to wait till you have less allies in Delve area and then wipe you out. Of course, it's an open question if BOBKenzoku will survive for that long.

Same answer as above, replace PL with Goons! Also, if need be, how long do you think it takes us to call on our alllies, we could throw a rock that far these days!

So, why BoB didn't that day?
It wasn't due to utterly horrible mediation attempt by [Evol] Zeus*. It was because during second directors meeting someone said "Guys, but if we split know, it's gonna look like goons won". It was followed with moment of silence and everyone agreed that "We have to finish this goon business first, and then split".

Ahhh, the old obligatory "we were leaving Delve anyway and didn't want the best space in the game anymore" implication.

Come on Joe, you can do better than that! (10/10 for entertainment value though).

See you guys in Kenny need to stop lying to yourselves and take a reality check. Stop listening
to the shit your leaders are filling into your tiny minds. You don't have an omnipotent alliance, never had and never will. Your alliance has lost all its space, are paralysed and getting their asses handed to them daily. Your
best allies (Exe) are publicly slating you and question why they even bother helping you. AAA don't want to
bother their ass helping now that they got the extra numbers they needed from you in the south. You've served your purpose to them my friend. Tip, next time round try not treating your members and allies like shit!

[Sparky]

I'd be pretty flattered if BoB hated Goons so much that it held them together even when they were apparently falling apart.

We control their game :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Endie]

Joe, that's a pretty great post.  Still, I don't suppose there are TS recordings or chat logs to back it up?  I'd be pretty flattered if BoB hated Goons so much that it held them together even when they were apparently falling apart.

I suspect that Joe's indulging in a spot of misdirection.  Like in his "Evil Thug annoyed Molle so we are leaving the south" post.

Anyway, it will be a bit of a race to log into PR- once the servers come back up, one suspects.  It would be funny if there is a later re-release of a yet-newer client to add more tension to it.

[Sir T]

In actual war news, yesterday saw a 3 hour battle between the southern naptrain and the western nap train. AAA brought 200 battleships  to hit some towers in another response to our planned invasion. Anyway, they managed to reinforce one tower before battle was joined. PL, being the incompetents they are, missed with the first 3 doomsdays. Regardless at the end they entire AAA etc fleet was smoking wreckage. (no real retails as I was not actually there) It was apparently tremendous fun for our side

Kenny decided to heroically assist by bridging into PR- and shooting one bubble into structure before running away when local started blue rising, 2 hours into the above battle. This contrasts with their earlier break in attempt where they cam in through NOL and fled in all directions when TCF turned up right behind them, in a maneuver technically called the"starburst". I'm sure AAA appreciated their assistance when filing their insurance forms with pend insurance.

Later of course they had a huge morale boosting victory. We got together a bunch of 20 BS on half an hours notice and wandered down to hit an EXE cynojammer deathstar with close range setups. So we set up on the tower, chatting to EXE gunners for a while as they failed to kill anything bar a Merlin, before a KFC Fleet turned up (only took them an hour to wind its way through the safe route and get up the 4 to 1 odds that they needed to take us on at one of their Deathstars, apparently). Anyway we got clear with only a few losses, then said fuck it and went back in again when local cleared. Lets be clear, we could have easily got clear as we were two jumps away from the enemies and we knew they were waiting for us, but we all voted to go in anyway.

We warped to the deathstar again and on cue KFC instantly reappears in system, so we warped to a planet, and easilly melted their ships before they ran out of range of our close range setups (they warped to 0 again on the planet, as we knew they would. That's how we got out in the first place by warping to 100, and waving at them as we turned and headed for a gate). Then we sat back and laughed on TS as the flacked away at us. 80 vs 20 ships tanked for Amarr = a good fight to kenny but by god we were laughing our heads off, and they still failed to kill our logistics cruisers which were all we cared about. As i indicated above, sometimes you gain a lot more by standing and fighting and I had one of the best laughs I have had in a long time.

[palmer_eldritch]

The AAA fight was a good one.  Massive lag and outnumbered 3 to 1, although we had capships and they didn't. I think DBRB got all our carriers into the system basically to use as bait.

According to the Goonswarm killboard I've now killed things a few more times than I've died, so something's going wrong.

[Furiously]

The l3 fight was so laggy. And the first two dd's failed but the third was a huge success.

[Endie]

The AAA fight was a good one.  Massive lag and outnumbered 3 to 1, although we had capships and they didn't. I think DBRB got all our carriers into the system basically to use as bait.

According to the Goonswarm killboard I've now killed things a few more times than I've died, so something's going wrong.

Are you remembering to cross-post to the F13 boards?  Those will give you more stats if you're interested (and give us stats, too, so we know whether to boot you for K/D reasons  ).

[palmer_eldritch]

The AAA fight was a good one.  Massive lag and outnumbered 3 to 1, although we had capships and they didn't. I think DBRB got all our carriers into the system basically to use as bait.

According to the Goonswarm killboard I've now killed things a few more times than I've died, so something's going wrong.

Are you remembering to cross-post to the F13 boards?  Those will give you more stats if you're interested (and give us stats, too, so we know whether to boot you for K/D reasons  ).

Can I post there if I don't have the killmail?

[Furiously]

You can copy and paste from the goon one.

[Pezzle]

For some strange reason Razor and AAA had a small skirmish in Providence, of all places.  We crashed the party with local forces.  Only a handful of ships on either side.  Just seems odd.

[Pax]

War update by a fellow Goon: