War

[Goumindong]

Wow, if that is true... what the fuck.

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Its true. We might get sov 3 back. Who knows. But apparently CCP doesn't actually log sov changes or some such crap and so needs the exact date it changed to sov 3 in order to determined what happens.

Yea, i know. Its retarded.

[Jayce]

This really wouldn't even be so bad, to me, if it weren't for C9N and R2TJ.

C9N - get the whole alliance together, have epic battles, shoot tower, it goes invulnerable instead of exploding, following morning an enemy tower is there mysteriously.  Petition: silence.

R2TJ - get the whole alliance together, have epic battles, save the system with a clear large tower majority.  Following morning, neutral sov.  Petition: sorry, we cannot help thee with that.

And now this.  Makes me wonder what the GMs spend their time on.  One of the largest (if not the largest) alliance in the game, CEO is on the CSM, and the war is the biggest war currently going on in 0.0.  If you can't get attention in our situation, I guess everyone's screwed.  Are they all spending their time helping stuck mission runners in Sinq Laison?

It's painful, but bottom line is as Endie says: we just have to shrug it off.  Seems like all good PVP games have fairly clueless developers.

[setar]

To be fair, C9N doesn't really count: the tower was stronted and shouldn't have exploded in the first place. Agreed on RZT though, and the jury's still out on DG-. Traitor in a GS corp, someone messing up the setup, or an actual hack (which would be pretty bad indeed).

[Meester]

In further news BoB has taken the station system of DG-8VJ in Detorid.

COVEN have taken another station system in Esoteria with Systematic-Chaos taking a few systems nearby. Executive Outcomes have taken F-E4MQ which is a station system from TCF in Wicked Creek.

Red Overlord still hold onto their last outposts.

[Endie]

In further news BoB has taken the station system of DG-8VJ in Detorid.

COVEN have taken another station system in Esoteria with Systematic-Chaos taking a few systems nearby. Executive Outcomes have taken F-E4MQ which is a station system from TCF in Wicked Creek.

Red Overlord still hold onto their last outposts.

This is a terrible, terrible post XD  The DG- thing is what we're all talking about for twenty posts directly above you, fyi.  The Esoteria pos spam was happening last week, and I don't think it has been contested for a month.

I am surprised, however, to hear that Exe have retaken F-E, seeing as how Exe got their arses soundly kicked in both fights and spamming and TCF should have taken sov today as far as I was counting it.  You sure you don't mean Exe (temporarily, I think) taking 5H?

At least you were right that there is no change in the ROL station systems.  Though they lost the all-important plex system that they seem to value more than life itself.

Setar, I agree about people taking things too seriously, but for a lot of people this is the first time they've experienced this sort of crap.  But yes, I honestly believe that exposing someone making an arse of themself and having affairs is more "fair game" than cheating in the game.  Especially when that person was party to the same sort of thing being done by Molle and Dianabolic for years vOv

And hey Trevor.  Is life in AAA any more cheery for you than it was under Darius?  And just how many parachute accounts do you have?

[trevorreznik]

And hey Trevor.  Is life in AAA any more cheery for you than it was under Darius?  And just how many parachute accounts do you have?

Not having to run ops / do strat planning takes  a lot of stress off.  I've got a few parachute accounts, but didn't need them until some forum stuff got changed :(  I really feel bad right now for DBRB from the posts I've been seeing around-I know exactly what the position is like that he's in right now, and having people start to dogpile on him just makes it that much worse.

[Goumindong]

And the EULA trumps 'real life' incidents such as breaking into servers hosted by a company? Please, let's not split hairs here ;-)

Being given access =/= breaking in.

[Simond]

An expired trial account (owned by someone reliable) with POS manager roles was mysteriously reactivated and resubscribed, which then unchecked sovereignty claims on the Goonswarm poses in one system for one downtime. Which was exactly long enough for BoB to come along, shoot station, and jump out all the crap which had been locked up inside since we originally took it over years ago.

So that's either a hell of a coincidence, or someone in BoB stole the account.

[Phildo]

Sorry, who was Evoke allied with when they were exposed as POS exploiters?

Edit: Also, where were Es & Whizz's exploiting towers set up?

[Yoru]

Keep the war thread to War topics, not "omg u sploitz."

I'm going to try to split out what I can.

New topic for the sploitz/hax discussion here.

[Endie]

Interestingly, Evil Thug is madly shitposting on every forum he remains unbanned on that DBRB is the only Goon FC, and that him losing his Nyx is potentially an end to GF ops.  Now that is desperately clutching at straws...  I am not sure, right now, whether he is waiting for Steiner's divisions to commence the breakout or for another Miracle of the House of Brandenburg.

[setar]

I'd say he is just enjoying himself. Goonswarm seems to have its usual participation problems, and poking them a bit to wake them up might very well work. -A- declared a war on GS, and instead we are fighting everyone but in the last week or so. If you want to see the other side of him posting, here's a good example. Also liked the description of the Catch campaign; his reasons sound very similar to why MC ended up dropping out (and yes, we also went from best brosefs to scum in the space of 24 hours).

[Endie]

Oh come on: that first post by Evil Thug reads like him starting to lose it.

Still, if you're being paid cash to do a job and with only a couple of weeks until you originally thought you'd be finished you're having to claim it was supposed to be a year to take one region then I guess some post-facto rationalisation is only to be expected vOv

[Phildo]

His post about the Catch campaign isn't bad, but I really doubt the sincerity of it given how much time he's had to put the story together about his motives.  I wouldn't trust him one bit, nor would I trust BoB.  There are simply too many egos involved in running that coalition and I get the impression that it's only a matter of time before the Superfriends eat themselves from within like RA did prior to its fracturing.  Other people have said it before, but can Molle, EvilThug and Nync really stay friends, especially if they do make major territorial gains against Goonswarm?

Then again, Goons tend to eat their own as well.

Edit to ad: even though I feel like in this conflict Goonswarm somehow manages to hold the moral high ground in this conflict it's really, really, really hard to defend the actions of a large number of its individual members.

[slog]

An expired trial account (owned by someone reliable) with POS manager roles was mysteriously reactivated and resubscribed, which then unchecked sovereignty claims on the Goonswarm poses in one system for one downtime. Which was exactly long enough for BoB to come along, shoot station, and jump out all the crap which had been locked up inside since we originally took it over years ago.

So that's either a hell of a coincidence, or someone in BoB stole the account.

Was thinking about this.

It's pretty careless to deactivate a trial account without first removing all the access it has to stuff like this.  Espicially when there is a history of accounts being reactivated by stolen credit cards.

[Meester]

In further news BoB has taken the station system of DG-8VJ in Detorid.

COVEN have taken another station system in Esoteria with Systematic-Chaos taking a few systems nearby. Executive Outcomes have taken F-E4MQ which is a station system from TCF in Wicked Creek.

Red Overlord still hold onto their last outposts.

This is a terrible, terrible post XD  The DG- thing is what we're all talking about for twenty posts directly above you, fyi.  The Esoteria pos spam was happening last week, and I don't think it has been contested for a month.

I am surprised, however, to hear that Exe have retaken F-E, seeing as how Exe got their arses soundly kicked in both fights and spamming and TCF should have taken sov today as far as I was counting it.  You sure you don't mean Exe (temporarily, I think) taking 5H?

At least you were right that there is no change in the ROL station systems.  Though they lost the all-important plex system that they seem to value more than life itself.

Setar, I agree about people taking things too seriously, but for a lot of people this is the first time they've experienced this sort of crap.  But yes, I honestly believe that exposing someone making an arse of themself and having affairs is more "fair game" than cheating in the game.  Especially when that person was party to the same sort of thing being done by Molle and Dianabolic for years vOv

And hey Trevor.  Is life in AAA any more cheery for you than it was under Darius?  And just how many parachute accounts do you have?

Sorry I didn't see that bit about the account until after I posted. Thought it was something else I read through before.

Is BoB currently attacking D-G and reinforcing towers there? CCP will reinstate sovereignity while BoB are attacking?

[trevorreznik]

Interestingly, Evil Thug is madly shitposting on every forum he remains unbanned on that DBRB is the only Goon FC, and that him losing his Nyx is potentially an end to GF ops.  Now that is desperately clutching at straws...  I am not sure, right now, whether he is waiting for Steiner's divisions to commence the breakout or for another Miracle of the House of Brandenburg.

Without getting too much into arguments, I don't think ET's really wrong on the FC issue.  Scavok's back to a degree, but has an established reputation as a FC who will show up for fights and disappear as soon as the campaign turns to POS shooting, because he's a smarter man than the rest.  Jbev is great, but is rarely on, and who else really is there?   From everything I've heard, DBRB is doing what I did back in Delve-playing an awful lot and running into some frustrating walls, many of which aren't his own doing.  Extrapolating it to him burning out isn't worth doing, because who knows what the final straw will be with someone. 

[Endie]

Is BoB currently attacking D-G and reinforcing towers there? CCP will reinstate sovereignity while BoB are attacking?

CCP won't reinstate dick.

Oh, and Trevor, yep, DBRB is virtually monopolising running ops, despite everyone predicting for months that he'd burn himself out doing so.  Although there are, in fact, several other FCs running ops at the moment (no specifics for you!), I think they're happy to let da boat keep carrying the bulk of it.

What I thought was funny was ET's persistent attempts to jump on every single cliched piece of GF behaviour that we all know happens every couple of months as if it was the death of Catherine the Great and he was Frederick the Great.

[setar]

I look forward to seeing BOB making excuses for cowering in Poses terrified of hotdrops in DG- for the next month.

Not quite DG-, but since 5H- is also lacking a cyno jammer: seems NC has been taking a cue from GS and logged off their capitals after a hotdrop. As I'm stuck at work and the reports on CAOD are friggin' useless, anyone got an idea why the order was given?

Edit: Nvm, reports now surfacing. Seems NC was done anyway, extracted part of the cap fleet via cyno from a safespot, and asked those stuck in the lag to log off for now. Probably best call given the state of the node.

[Meester]

Solar Fleet/Wing and Legion of Death (add as many x's as you like) seem to be sporadically engaging members of the GBC.

One aeon, jump freighter and some carriers have been destroyed by them yesterday. Of course whether they are helping the southern forces or just doing their own thing is hard to tell.

[setar]

I understand on the motivations thing: best to hide your hand as long as possible, especially if some outcomes might be a mixed blessing.

Guess I can answer that now: BDCI was there for a trial membership with -A-.

[Phildo]

 

[lac]

So is _{soon to be} ex-TRI corp Rionnag Alba and possibly Coracao Ardente.

[Phildo]

When you say "Ex-Tri", you must mean the only two corps left in Tri.  Because they are.

Also, I've concluded that this war has been about two things for AAA: EvilThug getting paid real-life bucks and auditioning new PvP corps.

[Endie]

I suppose we should be flattered: even when it was AAA, SE and ROL together poor lil Thug realised that we were better and that he'd need more numbers if he was to have a chance vOv

Of course, inviting three of the more unstable occupants of Eve, with a track record of drama-shattered alliances and short-lived power-blocs behind them, may not be the single smartest way forward.

Maybe he should accept the ex-Tri corps in Atlas as well 

[Phildo]

Apparently the NC (with a few Goons in support) was just epically hotdropped by the Superfriends resulting in the death of some 15 NC dreadnaughts.  Look at Jake Noble troll on CAOD!

[Endie]

Here is some forum porn from the person who is employing AAA, SE and the rest, the rich Russian whose money is buying him a war in Eve, and who is talking about the hack, then moves on to other stuff:

All methods fair in this game! I'm not asking your bees friend who kicked LETA/rus-1-ukr from RA. Goons are beggars, they envy LETA that they had 5 titans and a lot of caps and cap pilots and petition all of it. I could kill for such things in rl, but it's not rl. LETA will have 5 more titans soon and a lot of caps and all this will be bought officialy! I'll sell hundreds, or THOUTHANDS TK on eve-o and get all my accets* back and you will be only whining about injustice. MONEY will win  (you just need to invest more money). Do you ready to invest it? I already doing it.  GG to all.

Like I said: you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.  The GBC must be so proud.

*I think he means he's been banned on some accounts

[Reg]

Has he managed to drive down the price of time cards yet? Maybe this is a good time to get a few months ahead on my subscription.

[Yoru]

Here is some forum porn from the person who is employing AAA, SE and the rest, the rich Russian whose money is buying him a war in Eve, and who is talking about the hack, then moves on to other stuff:

All methods fair in this game! I'm not asking your bees friend who kicked LETA/rus-1-ukr from RA. Goons are beggars, they envy LETA that they had 5 titans and a lot of caps and cap pilots and petition all of it. I could kill for such things in rl, but it's not rl. LETA will have 5 more titans soon and a lot of caps and all this will be bought officialy! I'll sell hundreds, or THOUTHANDS TK on eve-o and get all my accets* back and you will be only whining about injustice. MONEY will win  (you just need to invest more money). Do you ready to invest it? I already doing it.  GG to all.

Like I said: you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.  The GBC must be so proud.

*I think he means he's been banned on some accounts

Regardless of who that guy's affiliated with, that's a picture perfect example of someone caring about a video game way way too much.

[setar]

I love this war report thread. First there's laughter about -A- cleaning house, kicking inactives and obviously losing members, while bragging how GS members are coming back to the game and the effects of recruitment kicking in. When -A- gradually starts to add members after weeks of trial it is because they have to boost their numbers. Riight.

How about reports of recent fights? There's plenty of reports from the GBC/-A- side for the last three bigger fights (NC logging out their dreads, the BS jump in and the 15+ NC cap losses of this morning) for which I'd love to see a view from the other side. I realize few goons participated in these fights, but there got to be some NC or TCF member posting here?

[5150]

but there got to be some NC or TCF member posting here?

Actually I dont think there are 

[Endie]

I love this war report thread. First there's laughter about -A- cleaning house, kicking inactives and obviously losing members, while bragging how GS members are coming back to the game and the effects of recruitment kicking in. When -A- gradually starts to add members after weeks of trial it is because they have to boost their numbers. Riight.

Nae offense, but you're not "gradually adding members" if you have (at least) three large corps invited on probation as soon as you start to lose.  And given that two of them have partaken in both of Tri's collapses, the other was in Daisho (who provided me with the funniest episode I've ever experienced on TS when they were ordered out by their CEO), and I think all three were in the awesome hilarity-fest that was Requiem, the track record isn't glorious.

Bit of a difference between that and the unadvertised, uninvited, organic growth of people looking at an ISK-seller paying cash for allies to attack Goonfleet and deciding "hey, time to come back for a bit".

The fact is that AAA already has enough trouble with its own ISK-selling wing (hi Daira Lir!)  Sooner or later CCP will really crack down on the practise and it won't be GF that is hurt...

[Fordel]

Goons would need to HAVE ISK before selling any. 

[Endie]

Goons would need to HAVE ISK before selling any. 

Clearly we sold all ours.

[setar]

Nae offense, but you're not "gradually adding members" if you have (at least) three large corps invited on probation as soon as you start to lose.

Three things wrong with this statement. While it can be debated whether BDCI is stable we are not big; on average you'll see maybe ten of us during an announced op. Two, we got invited to fly along -A- at the time of the official war announcement, even before BOB decided to get involved. Three, starting to lose? While I am less than certain about the long-term outcome of the war it's pretty even matched right now.

And given that two of them have partaken in both of Tri's collapses, the other was in Daisho (who provided me with the funniest episode I've ever experienced on TS when they were ordered out by their CEO), and I think all three were in the awesome hilarity-fest that was Requiem, the track record isn't glorious.

Cannot speak for R-A or Cora; BDCI tried to help establish another neutral entitity after the end of MC, and was stubborn enough to try this even twice. Unfortunately the current game environment doesn't allow small neutral entities to hold regions long term. The MC/KIA model works (affiliate yourself with one side), as does Outbreak (roam). Don't think anyone feels bad for trying to establish something else, though.