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Stabs
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Reply #8050 on: September 24, 2011, 12:50:53 AM

Is language part of the problem? Bob provided lots of forum porn and entertaining comments. Is it as much fun to fight an enemy when you can't smack in Local, you can't troll in CAOD and you can't entertain your troops by stealing the lamentations of their directors?
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Reply #8051 on: September 24, 2011, 03:29:30 AM

That and BoB were easy to portray as comic book villains.  With their attack on baby Goonfleet, the "we're better than you" forum whoring, their seemingly unassailable position after having got in on the ground floor with T2 lottery etc, the dev favouritism and their stated intention of controlling all of 0.0.  They were the perfect antagonists - BoB even called themselves "the Evil Empire" ffs

BoB vs Goonfleet defined 0.0 for what, 3-4 years?  Happy days.
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Reply #8052 on: September 26, 2011, 04:11:15 PM

That and BoB were easy to portray as comic book villains.  With their attack on baby Goonfleet, the "we're better than you" forum whoring, their seemingly unassailable position after having got in on the ground floor with T2 lottery etc, the dev favouritism and their stated intention of controlling all of 0.0.  They were the perfect antagonists - BoB even called themselves "the Evil Empire" ffs

BoB vs Goonfleet defined 0.0 for what, 3-4 years?  Happy days.

So the lesson for CCP to learn here is that they should play favorites with the biggest gang of asstards in the game so everyone else has a reason to band together to spank them?  Interesting.  And just meta-enough to suit EVE.

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Reply #8053 on: September 26, 2011, 09:38:07 PM


I think it's more "gather together to spank them" becomes a lot harder when there are only 2-3 meaningful factions in the game, and a large gap between them.

In fact that's probably a good metric for an open-world PvP game. If every faction in the game banded together without reserve (which will never happen), and still can't equal the dominant faction, the game has been decided. Though that also allows for the possibility of the dominant faction imploding, but once it gets large enough most players don't really want to be the underdog.

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Reply #8054 on: February 05, 2012, 07:48:33 PM


So it looks like things might be building up towards a team horde (CFC) versus team titan (PL/NC./Raiden + Init) showdown? The DRF having seemingly evaporated leaving really only two large factions.

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Reply #8055 on: February 06, 2012, 12:58:45 AM

What happened to DRF anyway?
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Reply #8056 on: February 06, 2012, 01:13:00 AM

They're down at least one alliance (White Noise). The rest of them are still there and still more or less the same old blob they were during the DRF era, only now they're pretending they're not blobbers while complaining about us blobbing, and of course they're dropping titans on worthy targets such as a battlecruiser fleet.

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Reply #8057 on: February 06, 2012, 05:38:37 AM


Solar and IRC used to be a part of the DRF though, and by the sounds of things that's well and truly over.

The titan-heavy alliances are steadily recruiting active, experienced titan pilots and leading to a concentration of "elite-PvP" force. Really the only meaningful coalition that might potentially cause a massive titan-welp is CFC. Which would be a lovely upset if it happened.

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Reply #8058 on: February 06, 2012, 05:55:40 AM

Duh, you're right, I forgot about that little bitchfight over there.

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Reply #8059 on: February 06, 2012, 02:16:32 PM

What's going on with the CFC/Raiden war? Are we expecting it to be a draw or is someone going to lose their space?
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Reply #8060 on: February 06, 2012, 02:44:38 PM

I'm not as active or as clued in as I was during the fountain war, but from what I keep seeing, tech is being fucked with on both sides, and I believe raidendot TCUed up all of the tenal systems they hadn't already TCUed up yesterday (or the day before yesterday, I'm not 100% sure). Apart from that, the majority I'm seeing is mainly just slapstick fights.

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Reply #8061 on: February 06, 2012, 03:08:59 PM

After the fall of Branch, Raiden, NCDOT, PL, IntativeDOTorMercsIForgetWhich, and some hired merc's have been attacking CFC tech moons in Venal and Branch. They have taken 10-20 of them I think. There have been some very large 1000+ ship fights that have ended in draws or minor CFC defeats or minor BoBmkIV defeats, but the moons have continued to fall. No actual systems have changed hands, and it's expected the moons in Branch will be retaken the minute you won't be able to cyno a 50-100 sized Titan fleet in. A few supercarriers have been destroyed, but nothing of consequence.

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Reply #8062 on: February 06, 2012, 03:36:24 PM


It's sort of cunning if it was actually the plan. Allow goons to exterminate white noise and be identified as the aggressors then take back the money-moons since goons can't really win a war not under cyno-jammers. With PL salivating at the idea of catching the goon supers.

No actual systems have changed hands, and it's expected the moons in Branch will be retaken the minute you won't be able to cyno a 50-100 sized Titan fleet in.

Super-capital balance is done though right?

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Reply #8063 on: February 06, 2012, 03:45:08 PM

SCs are balanced, titans being balanced is debatable. What usually happens these days is they drop 10+ titans who are tracking fit, and start one/two shooting BSes and BCs when their transversal is low enough. They sacrifice a ton of EHP doing so, so they are much more vulnerable, however I wouldn't expect to be able to hotdrop them on a regular basis given the amount of spies that are inevitable in a coalition the size of CFC. Or if we do hotdrop them, I'd say the chances they're no longer tracking fit would be higher than zero.

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Reply #8064 on: February 06, 2012, 06:05:19 PM


Titan's clearly aren't balanced or PL would not be so insufferably smug.

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Reply #8065 on: February 06, 2012, 11:08:44 PM

Well, at least titans can't be used to doomsday logistics anymore. The only things I can think of to really fix the current "problem" with titans is to either make it so they simply can't hit smaller ships (which would probably have a knock-on effect on smaller ships as well, not that this would necessarily be a bad thing), or make it so the act of concentrating fighting in ONE system like we do now is something which is discouraged through f.ex the SOV mechanics. That way titans wouldn't be so easy to amass in critical numbers in one system, without there being consequences elsewhere.

As for the money-moons, I suspect quite a lot of them are in SOV systems, which means they'll naturally fall back to the "right people" when SOV ticks high enough for cynojammers.

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Reply #8066 on: February 06, 2012, 11:32:12 PM


True... meaning either the Titan squad takes sov before that time or faces losing them when Jammers can be placed. Of course they know that.

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Reply #8067 on: April 14, 2012, 05:29:33 AM


So as I understand it Titans on the nerfing block, Goons and friends ascendant and lots of old alliances "hollowing out" and fading from the sov map.

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Reply #8068 on: April 14, 2012, 05:04:49 PM

Not sure how you concluded that. Titan's are being nurfed, but RadienDOT (successor state to BoB) has just lost their region to Goonswarm yet again. The CFC has 2-4 fleets max sized when needed.

However, the map does appear to be getting pretty static. The CFC has an effective non-aggression pact with the hostiles to it's east, no hostiles to it's south and will shortly be invading Jita. Seriously.

It remains to be seen if the upcoming nurf/change to the Drone Regions effects some change we can believe in.

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Reply #8069 on: April 15, 2012, 03:15:53 AM


So as I understand it Titans on the nerfing block, Goons and friends ascendant and lots of old alliances "hollowing out" and fading from the sov map.
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Reply #8070 on: April 17, 2012, 12:30:21 AM

will shortly be invading Jita. Seriously.

When that starts to go down, please shoot me a PM.  For a goal as worthy as fucking up Jita, I'm willing to pop open my wallet and reactivate my account.
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Reply #8071 on: April 17, 2012, 02:58:14 AM

iirc, end of april.

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Reply #8072 on: April 17, 2012, 03:28:11 AM

If you're coming back for jita weekend you don't even need to open your wallet. Just use the 4 hour free thing to buy a plex with isk.

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Reply #8073 on: April 17, 2012, 03:53:13 AM


If there was actually a way to get empire mission grinders weeping nerd-tears the entertainment easily justifies a sub.

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Reply #8074 on: April 17, 2012, 10:48:51 AM

I burned my money down to 400m buying plex at the end when I was too annoyed to keep giving them money; so given plex prices I'm too space poor to pull that off.
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Reply #8075 on: April 18, 2012, 09:00:46 PM


It's odd seeing the Russian empire just crumble though... I can't help wondering if null-sec is increasingly a bunch of old alliances with depleting memberships that eventually reach a critical point between external pressure and lack of interest then disintegrate. With goons and PL as the last holdouts since the game is just something they do as part of the community they have formed.

What are the Eve sub numbers looking like? I vaguely recall them being available somewhere and a decent slide during the whole cash-shop debacle, I wonder if they have stabilized.


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Reply #8076 on: April 18, 2012, 11:29:39 PM

According to this its just over 400,000 subs

http://www.pcworld.com/article/252940/inside_eve_onlines_fanfest_2012.html

However this disagrees

http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2011/10/so-what-is-eve-onlines-current.html


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Since CCP stopped the publication of the Quarterly Economic Newsletter (presumably to keep the bad news about subscription numbers from appearing), we don't have any reliable numbers.

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If my math is accurate, then Eve Online has approximately 355,000 accounts.  Until CCP comes out and tells us differently, that's the number I will use.  And for those wondering, according to the Q4 2010 Quarterly Economic Newsletter, Eve had about 357,000 accounts active at the end of 2010 (p. 8).  While the announcement of the layoffs stated that Eve had more accounts than last October, judging by the graph in the QEN, it isn't by much.
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Reply #8077 on: April 18, 2012, 11:35:54 PM


That's still pretty good either way. I guess if a large chunk of active players are goons and a lot of the rest happily missioning in empire it could still leave the grand null-sec game a bit sparsely populated.

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Reply #8078 on: April 18, 2012, 11:43:44 PM

Yeah I agree theres little to complain about in either number.

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Reply #8079 on: April 19, 2012, 12:50:52 AM

The problem is that the small subs increase is probably a combination of increased spend per person with slightly decreased number of actual subscribers.

I doubt the number of unique players has been increasing since last summer.

This is not to say it won't start increasing again once the memory of 2012 fades. At the end of the day it is still the only serious meaningful open world pvp game, and still the only thing for mmog players to move up to after entry level diku junk.

Either way, it has as many subs as peak EQ with nobody would have seriously predicated way back when.

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Reply #8080 on: April 19, 2012, 01:05:45 AM


That's still pretty good either way. I guess if a large chunk of active players are goons and a lot of the rest happily missioning in empire it could still leave the grand null-sec game a bit sparsely populated.


I think there's a lot of high sec "Missionaries" who are more than a lttle interested in bolstering those numbers for null sec shenanigans. Initiatives like EU's Fountain bandcamp can only help.

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Reply #8081 on: June 04, 2012, 09:29:13 PM


So the war is over and riding bikes is now the order of the day?

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Reply #8082 on: June 05, 2012, 02:09:10 AM

There is a lull: between taking Branch, then Tenal, then securing a few dozen more tech moons we have been going pretty non-stop since December, so we are having a few weeks of chill relaxation.  Suas/Tolon has been running a Syndicate deployment for a bunch of folks, Black Ops have been messing around in Curse then Venal, and we've been blowing up IRC supercaps-in-build for fun, but basically it's been low key.

The big story has, to an extent, been Hulkageddon and our announcement that this one is keeping going, and that we're not stopping funding.  There have been literally 10 or so threads a day whining about it on eve-o, begging CCP to make just one more nerf (after the half dozen or so that James315 detailed).  It is a delicious playground that has tempted even me to troll around on Eve-O for the first time in years.

The next war has been decided upon, however, and rumours about it (almost all wrong) have been bouncing around Kugu and elsewhere.

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Reply #8083 on: June 05, 2012, 05:57:48 AM

Wait, Suas is back playin?

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Reply #8084 on: June 05, 2012, 06:23:47 AM

Wait, Suas is back playin?

He's been running ops for a few months now.

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