War

[Thrawn]

Also if you decloak and fire at close range in a bomber, you will die if you don't insta kill them most likey.  But if you decloak at max range, most frigates can probably warp away before your  missiles even get to them.

Stealth bombers can be fun, and have their uses like anything else.  But for the most part they are very "meh".

[Endie]

Endie I love your analysis and will be stealing it again for PL boards.

Ta for that.  So long as you attribute, and leave in my piercing anti-Sir-T criticism.

And Fordel, stealth bombers are fun little ships with decent alphas that are good for ganking untanked haulers at 0.0 gates, for arsing about in roaming slosh ops and for making Jade Constantine look like even more of an idiot than it normally makes itself look anyway, but they're not really the answer to any strategic question that Kenny is facing right now.

[Simond]

And they have a sig radius the size of a small planet, and cost similar sorts of cash as an interceptor (which also needs frig5, but is fundamentally more useful in every respect), an assault frig (which is not very good, but can at least run some missions or rate), or a covops (specialised, but exceptionally potent in the right situations). Plus if you want the damage a covops gives, you can probably get close with a DPS-cruiser....which is cheaper to buy and insured much better, to boot.

There's lots of theorycrafted gimmick tactics for stealth bombers (ECM bomb to wreck spider-tanks, neut-bombs to disable caps, etc) but nobody's seriously bothered to try and make any of them work.

Except Jade Constantine, who is genuinely mental.]

e;f,b 

[Fordel]

Thanks for clearing that up. I always had the impression that Stealth Bombers were supposed to be some sort of AE damage delivery system. Must have just been me remembering a design doc wrong.

[Simond]

No, there are also damage bombs available, but they suck.

[MahrinSkel]

So the general wisdom is stealth bombers are terrible, and history seems to agree, but WHY are they so terrible? Not enough damage?

If used in "wolfpacks" large enough to pop battleships in a couple of salvos, they're teh awesome.  And they're good at popping sloppy/lazy haulers on interdiction duty.  But coordinating the 20+ SB's necessary to really use them effectively is difficult, especially since it's like any other blockade duty, with the added bonus of not being able to see anyone else on your side and occasionally getting killed because another SB decloaked you.

--Dave (who once bought 100 SB's plus fittings for FIX to do exactly that.  It was teh awesome until turnouts dropped below critical mass)

[Sparky]

Endie I love your analysis and will be stealing it again for PL boards.

Ta for that.  So long as you attribute, and leave in my piercing anti-Sir-T criticism.

For sure, quoted as is. 

[MahrinSkel]

Oh, I forgot to list the station systems in Delve and Period Basis in which Kenny hold tower majorities now.  Here they are now:



There you go.  rest assured that I'll be repeating that list at the end of this bulletin for those keeping score at home.

Oh, and Mahrin can feel a little tug on his heartstrings to see that the reformed Fix guys now hold sov in as many Querious outpost systems as Kenny do, and are now blue to the coalition: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Sangre_Azul

Oh, snap!  Sangre Azul has ImpTech in it, and they've taken back Z-UZZN (the Zoo is the station I personally hit the "Build" button for).

--Dave

EDIT: Well, fuck.  I went to reactivate my account, so I could log in for the first time in nearly a year and touch base with ImpTech, see what they were up to and how they came to own Z-U again.  Wrong password.  Wrong email address.  Looks like I've been hacked.  I'm working that out with CCP, but I expect I'm going to find all my shit is gone.  Hope the bastard bought a mothership with it and got it blown up the first day.

[Nerf]

EDIT: Well, fuck.  I went to reactivate my account, so I could log in for the first time in nearly a year and touch base with ImpTech, see what they were up to and how they came to own Z-U again.  Wrong password.  Wrong email address.  Looks like I've been hacked.  I'm working that out with CCP, but I expect I'm going to find all my shit is gone.  Hope the bastard bought a mothership with it and got it blown up the first day.

That sucks Dave, unless you lucked out and some chin has been ratting with it and you're several hundred mil and a battleship richer (as happened to another F13er who got hacked)

[Reg]

Damn that's upsetting Dave. And you were a multi-billionaire too right? I imagine it's all been sold on Ebay by now.  Oh well hopefully CCP can track down and ban any account that benefitted.

[MahrinSkel]

I'm not actually that upset by it.  It was just virtual stuff, counters in a database.  I already wrote it off when I decided I wasn't going to play anymore, same as I did with my shit in UO back in the day (I had stuff like grandfathered castles that couldn't be legally placed where they were after the first few months, and so on).  My stuff was a means to in-game ends, I only had so much because I was working towards FIX's first Titan.  By the time FIX left Q, I had been essentially retired from the game anyway.

If I decide to play again, I'll make more.  Might have to hit certain people up for loans for new seed capital, or try to get paid back for some Dreads I bought back in the day.  And that's if I play, mostly I just wanted to check in with IT and didn't have any out-of-game contact info anymore, would probably have given them my stuff to jump ahead with the original plans we had way back when.

And I don't know for certain it's gone (although it probably is, why hack a billionaire's account if you're not going to take his shit?).

--Dave

[Sparky]

A rare unvarnished look into Evol from some dude who's had enough of the bullshit and wants out.  Sure he'll be biased, looking to leave and everything, but it's still a good read.

https://www.pandemic-legion.com/forums/showpost.php?p=199280&postcount=32

Okay.

Fucking terrible. Evol and Molle have always prided itself on being able to do what they want when they want it. Molle has always had the minions and pets well seduced with "BoB is the best" and "We are better than thou" rhetoric and we do BBQ's and shit.

Were a family etc.

Well from what I have witnessed in the last 3 months is Eve's eldest corp turn into a collection of newbs from broken pets and a sheer disinterest from the veterans in Evol. A small collection of them are still kickin it, trying to keep what logistics and self preservation they have now and are having to abandon their own home constellations.

When the Dine in NOL campaign was stopped it was laughed at because goons and friends never even made it to EVOL home systems. EVOL constellation was thought of as the pinnacle fortress of Band of Brothers. We at the time were quite proud of such things then.

Well as you can plainly see, that fortress has been razed and what Evolers remain are probably rethinking the upcoming months as either a new beginning out of Kenny or a chance to leave eve indefinitely.

Most have gone perma afk already.

I don't really have a rant with Evol membership at all really, the average pilot is looking to assist molle in his campaign to rule whatever it is Molle and the first lady wants to Rule.

Cool fuckin beans...but not for me.

I don't do internetspaceship nepatism very well so I bid them adieu and made a move to do something fun for a change. In the year and half I was in Evol Molle spoke to me but a few times, odd for such a caring CEO.
Usually only to slap my peepee when I spoke my mind. Usually, in the sheer interest to have a laugh and poke fun and whoever it is I am red to. I toted the line long enough and I think I left an indelible imprint by leaving them.

Molle realizes he has lost everything at this point and in an effort to calm the masses from mass exodus has begun his morale blogs.

If Molle truly gave a shit about something other than his internet spaceship legacy he would stop flying titans, hand the reigns to Waagaa or some dutch fgt and let someone else at least try get thier shit together.

Sry, nop indeed.

[Predator Irl]

Its looking like the beginning of the end for Kenny. I can't say I'll be sad to see them go, but there are a few more I'd like to see going with them. This war has been fantastic so far, I realy don't want it to end anytime soon.

[Sir T]

Eve tribune has an interview with Haargoth Agamar

http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=4_9&page=1

An Evening With Brutus:
An Exclusive Interview with Haargoth Agamar
By Miyamoto Isoruku

Haargoth Agamar is the former Band of Brothers director responsible for disbanding the alliance and stealing huge quantities of corporate assets from Black Nova Corporation. He recently sat down for an interview with EVE Tribune staffer Miyamoto Isoruku.

So the first question is: why'd you do it?
I got sick of the arrogant attitudes of the leadership and membership when honestly they had nothing at all to be arrogant about, and the leadership’s inability to realise that BoB was no longer great, they were average.

Was there any particular breaking point? something they did that just pissed you off?
No, it happened over a period of months.

How long were you a director in BoB?
About 6 months or so.

How did you get to be a director in BNC? And how did you get director status in Tinfoil?
I got to be a director in BNC by fcing a lot. I fced a lot during US tz in the first Delve invasion. I had a character in Tinfoil to do refueling after or before capital ship ops and for some reason they gave me full director rights there when only CEOs should have had that.

What were your feelings about BoB when you initially [sic] became a director?
I was excited to see what the leadership was really like, I was disappointed.

What did you find disappointing about the leadership especially? You mentioned the arrogance... anything in particular?
They could not stick to a single plan, they would bounce around doing whatever thinking they could walk over anyone.

So what do you think of the MAX campaign?
I was only there for the beginning of it, I was unable to play for the rest because of work related reasons, but I think it went really badly.

How so?
The cap fleet losses, supercap losses. After IRON it went way downhill.

Initially the plan was to be a smash the north thing, wasn't it?
Yes. A majority of the BoB membership wanted to kill Morsus Mihi, because of their "arrogance" ironically enough. They needed to be knocked down a few according to most BoB members.

What is your opinion of BoB's treatment of its vassal alliances?
They treat them poorly. The weekend after I disbanded BoB was supposed to be a large standings reset. Obviously it did not happen because they need the numbers now.

Who were going to be reset?
Any member of the GBC without a 5% participation rate in fleet ops. Likely, AXE, Skunk Works, HUNs, SO-CO, CIIC among others. The only ones that I could not see being reset are EXE, SCA and warped mining, all the others had far below 5%.

Any other details you can give about treatment of the vassals, and general opinion about them within BoB?
They would redicule allies in command channels, basically saying that having them in BoB fleets is like invitng 50 spies in. And they refused to fly with GBC members towards the end. Only EXE was allowed to fly with them. The FINFL ceo had this to say:

k1lz FINFL Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 278 Default
IMO opinion the only alliances that are worth flying in BOB gang are:
1. Executive Outcomes
2. Southern Cross Alliance
With the following notes:
2008-11-05, 12:08 #21

Not much changed in the couple of months after that.

How did the GBC members feel? Why do you think they stuck with BoB?
 I am not sure honestly, maybe they think they have nowhere else to go, and that would probably be right. Some of the more dumb ones think BoB is still very good, but they just aren't and people realise that now.


Now, BoB initially alleged that your account must have been hacked, because you were about to go on duty for the military and would not have had access to EVE. Care to respond?
HA: They still think I was hacked. I'll show you some of the emails I received today.

 Greetings,
There are some people looking for you, and your life could start to become complicated. Concerned friends are just trying to protect you. Please contact me as soon as you can and let me know first, if you are OK, and next a good way for us to talk or mail each other securely. I must stress, please take this very seriously; I cannot give more details over email. I am using a disguised email address unrelated to anything EVE, but we shared MSN before you went away. Please look me up there again; we have much to discuss, and I'd rather it come from me before your Master Corporal.

Sincerely,
Slinktress/Llondon

followed by:

just wanted to be sure the rl Jon and old friend is OK. Still not sure if this email was hacked like goons do so much and happens in wow ALL the time. RL work friends will find Jon at some point to make sure he's fine.

So yeah. I think they have taken it way overboard over a game about internet spaceships to go as far as to say they will call my rl boss to find out if I had been kidnapped, when many friends of mine have said yes it is the real Haargoth.

I mean seriously, is it that hard to believe that someone would want to leave BoB when those is so many massive retards in there with huge egos about their skills in a video game?

And the funniest part is, they dont even have any skills at this game. They are fucking terrible.

Now, changing topics again. What everyone wants to know... Could you take us through the events culminating with the disbanding of BoB? Tell us what exactly you did, and how much ISK damage you inflicted directly?
Well it all started when I was getting recruitment scammed by Tamir Lenk on my alt. I was going to orginally try to get into GS to spy, and after paying the fee (which I thought I'd lose) he said, yeah you are pretty cool you can join [GoonFleet].

So I join with my alt, fool around a bit and have some fun. And then I'm like, I am actually enjoying myself here.

Had you been enjoying yourself in BoB?
Not really.

And this sort of woke you up to that?
Yes, I did not quite realise how eve could be less... serious business… and just more about having fun.

So I decided to end up spying for them and maybe try to defect, and after a few days talking to The Mittani about options, we realised that I had a full director character in the executor corp. And that was just a chance that was too good to pass up.

So things speed up, and the next day. Late US tz we ended up kicking every corporation from the alliance, stealing BNC corporate hangers in H-ADOC and PR-, and Tinfoil corporate hanger, along with both wallets. Liquid isk value was 14B, [plus] 14 fully fit and rigged dreadnoughts.

Faction fit?
T2.

At least 5m of each racial fuel type isotopes, 30 battleships with 200 ish of each tech II large weapon and 1000s of other tech 2 modules, 30 interdictors fully fit, 15 vultures and 10 other assorted command ships.

HICTORS or light interdictors?
Lights, and about 12 Hics. And 1 carrier. And in addition to that, 100,000's of x-l ammo, about 40 pos, 5 faction pos (all large), over 100 large batteries, over 150 mediums, about 25 faction medium, and 25 faction large. And hundreds of other assorted pos modules. And 3x core x type hardeners for each damage type. And a corpum a-type eanm.

Thats the general stuff. There is also a ton of lower level bpos and bpcs etc and 500k cn cruise missiles. 1m spike L.

Goonswarm received most of the POS modules and some dreadnoughts, and the fuel.

Is it stuck in bob space or have goons been able to actually use them, move them, etc.? I’m sorry, Kenny space.
Goonswarm has been using them all in delve.

So you nuke BoB, reset all of BNC's standings, kick as many members as you can... then what?
Set Goonswarm to blue, stole all that sht and waited to be kicked.

What have you been doing since in GS?
Killing some Kengoku and pets, generally just enjoying myself and doing whatever I feel like.

What is your opinion of SirMolle?
He used to be a good leader but right now his head is so huge that he can't even begin to undertand why his alliance failed.

Any other members of the BoB leadership you would like to comment on?
Tholarim seemed to be the only one that "got" it, about BoB not being great anymore.

Shortly before you destroyed BoB, AAA formed an alliance with them to fight Goons. What do you think AAA's fate will be? Do you have any comments on them?
I think AAA will do fine on there own. I never really fought much with or against them, so no other comments about them really.

Finally, are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Guiding Hand Social Club? ;)
No.

[Phildo]

A brief look at financing a major intergalactic war:

Time Card Sales
Time Card Sales
More Time Card Sales

And what, among other things, do those 400 time cards go into funding?
Character Purchases.

And what do these characters do?
Siege Abandoned Goon Sovereignty.

tl;dr - A member of Red.Overlord has sold roughly 400 timecards this month and used the proceeds to purchase a dreadnaught character that is now sieging Goon POS in Feythabolis.  I am also informed that they've dropped a new outpost to gain Sov 4 in either ZS- or DB1R.  And I'm sure towering an entire region overnight can be expensive too.

[Pezzle]

The total number of cards may be 200.  His threads get locked because of bump rule violations (Mitnal).  Cards could be rolling from one thread to the next.  That is still an impressive number.  8000 dollars or so?  120 billion isk?  Serious business.  Someone needs to contact a news agency with THAT story.

[Predator Irl]

ROL put up a new out post in 23M-PX yesterday, which is two jumps from ZS.

[Thrawn]

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/315760/fitting#items

Scamswarm gets a faction/officer Sylph carrier to cyno into PR-. 

[trevorreznik]

ROL put up a new out post in 23M-PX yesterday, which is two jumps from ZS.

They'll probably do the same next to r97/0oyz and k-9/2-r.  I've long wondered why those station pairs weren't consoved up, it's just way too easy and too beneficial to do it.  I hope to high heavens that CCP nerfs the hell out of consov at some point to stop the incentives for doing that crap.

[Predator Irl]

ROL put up a new out post in 23M-PX yesterday, which is two jumps from ZS.

They'll probably do the same next to r97/0oyz and k-9/2-r.  I've long wondered why those station pairs weren't consoved up, it's just way too easy and too beneficial to do it.  I hope to high heavens that CCP nerfs the hell out of consov at some point to stop the incentives for doing that crap.

Well, CCP won't ever change it, they are making a mint out of it as a result. ROL paid for it with time cards!

[Endie]

Fair play to him: he's doing it within the rules.  Rather him than me, but with all my alts I'm not going to get worked up at a guy spending money on a video game.

[Sparky]

Fair play to him: he's doing it within the rules.  Rather him than me, but with all my alts I'm not going to get worked up at a guy spending money on a video game.

However I reserve the right to laugh and belittle while stroking my neckbeard.

[tazelbain]

>However I reserve the right to laugh and belittle while stroking my neckbeard.

We should get that in motherfuckin' Constitution.

[Amarr HM]

I spose spending thousands of pounds on a video game is comparable to someone who's got remote control helicopters or other similar expensive hobbies.

[Fordel]

At least if you spend 2k dollars on a Helicopter model, you still own said Helicopter.

[Vedi]

At least if you spend 2k dollars on a Helicopter model, you still own said Helicopter.

No, they crash within seconds.

[Amarr HM]

At least if you spend 2k dollars on a Helicopter model, you still own said Helicopter.

No, they crash within seconds.

Indeed that's what I was leaning towards with the analogy, but if you spend the money on a virtual spaceship and then can't afford to fuel your car or pay your rent/mortgage then it's laughable.

[Phildo]

ITT, TrevorReznik's words wound me deeply:

also for reference IGNE is one of the pubbie corps in goonswarm that does nothing except mine and just dick around, they're literally one of the worst three membercorps in goonswarm (dpg/loveu are in the running as well)

[Teleku]

Indeed, just read that myself

Oh what shall I do now!

Edit:  Of course, it was also fun reading him doomcasting us in the beginning 

[Phildo]

I wonder if people read F13 forum porn somewhere else in the Eve universe?

[trevorreznik]

ITT, TrevorReznik's words wound me deeply:

also for reference IGNE is one of the pubbie corps in goonswarm that does nothing except mine and just dick around, they're literally one of the worst three membercorps in goonswarm (dpg/loveu are in the running as well)

how was I supposed to know that f13 was igne!  my apologies, you guys actually post somewhat ok

what's that even from?  i post on a ton of forums now that gf.com was taken from me for the 4th time, and can't place it. 

[Teleku]

I wonder if people read F13 forum porn somewhere else in the Eve universe?

Considering how often I've seen somebody link a thread from some random forum here, and everybody starts attacking/deconstructing all the 'stupid' comments in it, I am absolutly POSITIVE there is.  Probably a lot actually.  We're just lucky that the politics forum is hidden from non-members  

Edit:  Trevor, F13 is actually in LOVEU, not IGNE.

[Arthur_Parker]

what's that even from?  i post on a ton of forums now that gf.com was taken from me for the 4th time, and can't place it. 

From your alliance forums, there's a thread up in TWR about it, funny stuff.

Hey trevorreznik, if you can read this then take it to heart, faggot.

You have no license whatsoever to call anyone a pubbie you wannabe-Russian splinter pubbie cocksucker.

Trevor, Selene, Evil Thug, Jake Noble all together in one alliance. Is this the fucking Planet Piss alternate universe or something? Jesus christ.

[Endie]

ITT, TrevorReznik's words wound me deeply:

also for reference IGNE is one of the pubbie corps in goonswarm that does nothing except mine and just dick around, they're literally one of the worst three membercorps in goonswarm (dpg/loveu are in the running as well)

how was I supposed to know that f13 was igne!  my apologies, you guys actually post somewhat ok

what's that even from?  i post on a ton of forums now that gf.com was taken from me for the 4th time, and can't place it. 

It's from the "lol Bob is dead" thread in the English-speaking forum on AAA.

And, as a fleet member acting as a tourist in their corp forum, I can say that LOVEU contains some of the worst posters in Goonswarm.  Fortunately they're not the F13 posters as a rule, and they don't post in TWR or SGBS.  If they did they'd be in trouble.  As regards usefulness, LOVEU were probably worse than DPG and certainly worse than IGNE for years, but IGNE improved quite a bit in usefulness from November or so, while LOVEU probably have just about the highest participation rate per capita of any of the pubbie corps: usually pretty much the same number on ops as Mrchi/Battlestars which are much bigger, and make up a lot of the Blackops active members now.

One thing that strikes me in the AAA forums is that there are a few members there who know their shit.  Yalson, for instance, seems to know the mechanics as well as us, which may sound arrogant but is a big difference from the Bob forums.

[Predator Irl]

One thing that strikes me in the AAA forums is that there are a few members there who know their shit.  Yalson, for instance, seems to know the mechanics as well as us, which may sound arrogant but is a big difference from the Bob forums.

Maybe he is a Goon?