The Warrior situation in BC

[Paelos]

Now, given hunters have some utility which lowers their DPS -- but still, a MM-specced hunter should be in the same ballpark as a fire-specced mage, if they're both putting the same effort into it.

Seriously, I don't want to burst your bubble here, but that's never going to happen in a million years unless you have a very large ballpark. Fire mages are glass cannons with no real aggro dump. Hunters are pulling masters with feign death and leather armor and auras. I know they both do DPS in raids, but putting them up near fire mages would be horribly unbalanced.

[Yoshimaru]

Hunters can use mail armor, not just leather...

[Morat20]

Now, given hunters have some utility which lowers their DPS -- but still, a MM-specced hunter should be in the same ballpark as a fire-specced mage, if they're both putting the same effort into it.

Seriously, I don't want to burst your bubble here, but that's never going to happen in a million years unless you have a very large ballpark. Fire mages are glass cannons with no real aggro dump. Hunters are pulling masters with feign death and leather armor and auras. I know they both do DPS in raids, but putting them up near fire mages would be horribly unbalanced.

Fire mages dump it all at once -- hunters are supposed to even out over long fights. It's not happening, is the problem. Hunters DPS is simply too low and even with Viper and int gear, our mana pools suck too much. We simply cannot do enough DPS, over the long run, to keep up with any other DPS class. We should be in the same ballpark over a long fight, and fire-specs should fucking roast us at quick ones.

Pulling masters is fucking useless. You need one fucking hunter for virtually any pull. Hunters are supposed to be high, steady DPS with versatility. I don't mind coming in third behind fire-specced mages and rogues, but we're coming in so far behind that we're not in even a very large ballpark.

[jpark]

Interesting points - I know we all derail - but let's take the Hunter discussion to the Hunter thread now recently appeared in the forums here.

But paladins - we can talk about them in this thread - as long as it is derogatory 

[Paelos]

Interesting points - I know we all derail - but let's take the Hunter discussion to the Hunter thread now recently appeared in the forums here.

But paladins - we can talk about them in this thread - as long as it is derogatory 

I love paladins when they are healing. Offspecs can generally kiss my ass.

[Chenghiz]

Fire mages are glass cannons with no real aggro dump.

Threat reduction talents, threat reduction for being at range, and a complete aggro wipe in Invisibility. I think they're fine on the threat end. As for glass cannon.. well, if they are getting hit, your tank needs to rethink a few things. Survivability is a much bigger issue for the classes that actually take the brunt of the damage - melee classes.

[Paelos]

Fire mages are glass cannons with no real aggro dump.

Threat reduction talents, threat reduction for being at range, and a complete aggro wipe in Invisibility. I think they're fine on the threat end. As for glass cannon.. well, if they are getting hit, your tank needs to rethink a few things. Survivability is a much bigger issue for the classes that actually take the brunt of the damage - melee classes.

Yeah I always forget about invisibility because it's new and it takes 5 seconds. Still, until they fix warrior threat in the next patch, we're having a pretty tough time staying ahead of a fire mage without a decent head start on the longer fights.

[Shavnir]

The Warlock question is the greatest mystery in the game to me.  During the course of the game, almost EVERY OTHER CLASS has had a short period of overpoweredness.  This would be followed, 1-2 patches after, by huge nerfs.  The pattern holds for every single class EXCEPT warlocks.  Their lack of nerfage defies the entire course the game has taken in every other way.  I can only surmise that Bliz's CEO's wife/girlfriend is a warlock and he gets a blowjob for every new buff they get. 

2.0.6 if I remember right nerfed the spelldamage coefficents of Curse of Agony and Corruption to be worse than they were pre-TBC.  They're fixed at 93% now.

[Mazakiel]

I vaguely recall there being a change to how DoTs resist chance works, to bring it in line with regular types of spells, though that may be an older change, and not as recent.  I do recall a bluename basically saying outright that yeah, DoTs were overpowered, hence the change to resist and damage coefficient and all that. 

[Dren]

Congrats on the upcoming patchnotes.  Warriors got love.

[Shrike]

Warriors got a few things changed that should never have been broken in the first place. It's good, don't get me wrong, but they (Blizz) shouldn't have been screwing with this dynamic to start with.

And in a similar vein, Blizz mucking around with UW scares the bejeezus out of me. Leave. It. The. Fuck. Alone.

And furthermore (heh), what really chaps my ass is that now shamans are taking yet another windfury nerf. Well, sorta. But compared to what warlocks are like, a bit of a positive windfury bug isn't all THAT much. Man, I can't win for trying these days in WoW. Leave my fun alone! Jeezus.

[Tale]

A laugh from the druid perspective of these events :)

[jpark]

A laugh from the druid perspective of these events :)

That was quite good :)