EvE Devs play with BoB. Investigation in progress....New Scandal page 9!

[Endie]

That's a good point - could CCP employees be elected to this 'oversight council' on their play accounts?

10 Print "Everything is fine here"
20 Goto 10

Even CCP, High Kings of the land of Fuckuptopia, would see the results of that one being found out.  Shortly, I admit, after saying, "hey, you know what would be good?  We could all get ourselves electe.. ohnowait".

It'll be interesting to hear what Kugutsumen, or Remedial, or the Mitanni or (my choice) Firstname Lastname or whoever the SA&Pals-backed candidate is say about the visit.  Not just from the point of view of "all we saw was a powerpoint presentation saying how honest CCP was then a free bar and a stage-hypnotist that I can't remember much about except the powerful urge to say the words 'nothing to see here'".  More from the point of view of "then Arkonor slapped DBP on the butt and kissed him with tongues before heading off to their room, giggling over a pile of BPOs".

[Megrim]

Oh man, this thread just keeps getting better and better.  :-D

[JoeTF]

Tbh, I would rather not have turds like Mittani gain read access to db. Chances they wouldn't abuse it are null.
Moreover, I don't believe a word GF says (kind of hard to after amount of outright lies and fabrications they peddled to us).
If you really want to achieve something with this oversight committee, you better elect some third party people.   

[Shavnir]

I might concede GF isn't the most trustworthy body but people will naturally side with those that don't cheat.

I agree on the oversight committee thing though.

[Murgos]

Ya'll would probably be better off asking CCP to hire an auditing firm and then letting the community specify a few metrics for them to track.

CCP can maintain their privacy and the players get an independent third party giving them the data they want.

It's absurd that it's gotten to this point though.

[ajax34i]

I don't think an auditing firm would work; if I were playing, I'd want the devs to get the hell out of my crap, out of the game, and just do their jobs and develop, not play.  Yes, I know they need to play the game in order to get feedback on it, but that shouldn't be play play, it should be interacting with the interface for the purpose of getting data out of it.  A job. 

If they announced some sort of auditing firm, I would ask for data on how many devs have regular player accounts, what percentage of them are in the major alliances, what percentage of them have position of power (director, etc.), how much ISK they have, how many T2 BPO's, and so on.  I.E. data I shouldn't have about regular players, but that I feel the need to have because devs are still playing the damn game and affecting it.

So, then, what would CCP do when these numbers get reported?  I don't think they want that.

What would satisfy me enough to return, at this point, would be all dev accounts being deleted, strict ban procedures for anyone attempting to contact a dev outside of petitions, and a marked and immediate improvement in the quality of their code and a reduction of the bugs (signifying that they've stopped playing the game and they've gone to work bugfixing and developing it).

[Hellinar]

I don't think an auditing firm would work; if I were playing, I'd want the devs to get the hell out of my crap, out of the game, and just do their jobs and develop, not play. 

I get the strong impression that the Devs at EVE built a game they wanted to play rather than a money optimization exercise. If you introduced an all work and no play environment, I think a lot of the current Devs would cash out, and hire people for whom it is just a job. Maybe it is time for that. A hard transition to make though, when the player-devs are also major stockholders.  People don't give up on their dreams for mere business reasons, unless they are absolutly forced to.

[Ironwood]

Fucking Baffling Attitude there mate :  The time to cash out of that kinda shit is when people start putting cash INTO it.

[Arthur_Parker]

Moreover, I don't believe a word GF says (kind of hard to after amount of outright lies and fabrications they peddled to us).

What lies?  The only thing even slightly inaccurate was caused by the CEO of darkstar1 being a bit dim and saying his petition got deleted, then saying oops, maybe my client crashed when logging it.  I thought this was covered pages ago.

[Endie]

Indeed, and to give CCP their due they admitted that the way they handled that petition was wrong and open to suspicion, and have said that they will change their practises in future.

But Joe's post was written in a rush: he had to get back under his bridge to waylay travellers.

[Reg]

I'm still concerned about all of these new people posting on OUR forum. They aren't showing proper respect and deference to the old Foozles. If we don't nip this in the bud they might tell their friends and overwhelm us with numbers!

[neep]

yea, lets kick em.

Its not like CCP will get their credit back from the haters/forum drama queens anyway.
A lot of people of seem to be having a good time with eve. It is one of the few online games that is capable of continuous growth through the years.
Looks like they are doing something right.

Anyway, once we clean the goons up, the real war can start.

[TripleDES]

Oh hey, BoB's here.

Like... Shut the fuck up.

[Yoru]

I'm still concerned about all of these new people posting on OUR forum. They aren't showing proper respect and deference to the old Foozles. If we don't nip this in the bud they might tell their friends and overwhelm us with numbers!

Well done sir.

[ajax34i]

Heh, fyi you've also been linked from the WoW general discussion forums on at least one occasion, I've seen it.

[Trippy]

Those bastards!

[Ironwood]

Heh, fyi you've also been linked from the WoW general discussion forums on at least one occasion, I've seen it.

I can't imagine a worse fate.  I also can't imagine why....

[Der Helm]

I can't imagine a worse fate.  I also can't imagine why....

F13-Board thread of the day ? :-D

[Trippy]

That might make schild's head explode.

[Simond]

CCP doesn't like Goonswarm.
Also contains leet beta infos on how to survive titan DDs. 

Oh, and tip for the day - if you're a member of ISD with access to the petition database...make sure you log out before leaving your PC, otherwise your room-mate might just take all that information and hand it to a disgruntled hacker (who we shall call 'K') working in SE Asia. Whoops!

[Montague]

CCP doesn't like Goonswarm.
Also contains leet beta infos on how to survive titan DDs. 

Oh, and tip for the day - if you're a member of ISD with access to the petition database...make sure you log out before leaving your PC, otherwise your room-mate might just take all that information and hand it to a disgruntled hacker (who we shall call 'K') working in SE Asia. Whoops!

CCP wants 300k subscribers by the end of the year? A 50% increase?

Of course, EVE's well balanced and readily accessible endgame coupled with CCP's sterling reputation for honesty and integrity has me hovering my finger over the Subscribe button right now.

[Shavnir]

Magnus: They refuse to admit that they’re losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that they’re cheating, but that they’re cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that they’re coming up with.

Clearly we would never do anything like that.  Right t20?

[Reg]

Is it just me or does that Magnus guy come across as a complete dick? He seems to be blissfully unaware of the obvious bias he expresses through most of the interview. It's not the the BoB vs. Goonfleet  stuff either. His disdain for empire guys like me is quite obvious as well.

[Yegolev]

Not just you, I got that from previous interviews, from Magnus and Hrothgar or whatever the head-honcho's name is.  Hilmar?

[Krakrok]

His disdain for empire guys like me is quite obvious as well.

$$$ overcomes disdain however otherwise they wouldn't have Empire safety and they wouldn't have nerfed the Privateers.

[Reg]

Oh yea. Trust me. Us Empire based casuals are well aware of who is printing the CCP money hats and paying for these overgrown children to make the 0.0 game they want. I don't think it's too much to ask that they at least restrain their sneers while they take our money.

[neep]

I always got the impression CCP just saw empire as 'newbie area' where people would learn the ropes for a few months and then move on to 0.0. They still can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that the more casual or pve oriented players might want to stick around in empire just because they are actually enjoying themselves more there than they would in 0.0.
Alliance PVP is king in Eve and CCP, just like a lot of MMO houses, seems to think that investing in their end game e-peen is more important than catering to the casual crowd.

[Yegolev]

If that's the case, sounds like they don't "get" their own game, which seems pretty reasonable now that I think about it.

[Merusk]

I always got the impression CCP just saw empire as 'newbie area' where people would learn the ropes for a few months and then move on to 0.0. They still can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that the more casual or pve oriented players might want to stick around in empire just because they are actually enjoying themselves more there than they would in 0.0.
Alliance PVP is king in Eve and CCP, just like a lot of MMO houses, seems to think that investing in their end game e-peen is more important than catering to the casual crowd.

You are correct.  This came up before, and someone provided links to some posts that pretty much explained this as the exact case.  CCP really wants everyone to move into low-sec at 'mid-level' and live in 0.0. That's why getting-up the funds for a BS or better is damned hard in lowsec, and infuriating in empire.   It's also why CCP moved the better agents out into low/no sec a while back.

There's no reason to keep all the 'good stuff' out in low sec.  None.  The 0.0 catasses will come here and argue, but there's plenty of security in their 0.0 money-waterfalls that make their PvE just as secure as Empire.

[Montague]

It just keeps getting better. So now one of the ISD's took a confidential file and splashed it all over the net.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=535208

CCP is so full of that Orville Redenbacher should buy them.

[Megrim]

It just keeps getting better. So now one of the ISD's took a confidential file and splashed it all over the net.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=535208

CCP is so full of that Orville Redenbacher should buy them.

Is there a non-censored version of that somewhere? What actually happened?

[Miasma]

Needless to say, the CCP staff involved in the investigation are thoroughly disgusted by the actions taken by this volunteer anddealt with this misconduct in what we feel is the most just and severe manner possible.

If only CCP got all "disgusted" when it's their own paid employees who pull crap like this instead of some random guy on the internet.

[Reg]

Just how freaking stupid are they that volunteers would have access to this stuff in the first place?

[Arthur_Parker]

Is there a non-censored version of that somewhere? What actually happened?

It's all company confidential so don't think it's wise to post any of it here.  I haven't seen the complete archive, but lots of comedy emails from dbp (A high level BoB guy) to the forum mods are being reposted in various places.  Such as him informing them he doesn't like being referred to as supreme lord and master of the self-fellating half-wit division of BoB and please deal with the nasty person who said it etc etc

[Megrim]

Oh, so it was just personal emails and stuff like that. Good, because for a second there i thought they'd gone and suffed something else up.