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we're back, baby

I just completed a "tour" of the new content - Hellfire Peninsula, Dranei Shaman, Blood elf mage (no pally for me thx). I didn't beta it, so this is all fresh to me.

The launch was super smooth. I expected at least some choppiness, lag, disconnects, queues, hanging web pages when trying to upgrade my account, SOMETHING. I got nothin. I did get my copy at midnight, so maybe I had a better chance of not seeing account management problems.

Hellfire peninsula does a good job of breadcrumbing you in the right direction. The place was ridiculously crowded, even at 2am, but no worse than you'd expect for the amount of people. I'm on a PvP server, but I was surprised to see that it was not really a gankfest. A few selected gankings here and there was all.

The content once you get started is pretty complete. Lots of quests, and the land seems huge. In a way, too huge, because I found it a bit hard to find where I was supposed to go at times... and the way there is patrolled by pretty ugly stuff. That's a nitpick, though, really.

The new noob experiences are pretty polished. I was a little confused at the Dranei back story - the intro swoop tells you that they piloted their ship there on purpose, while the NPCs seem to think that it was an accident. Also - while I didn't get very far in the noob quests, compared to the blood elf ones, they seemed a little spare. Granted, Dranei was a last minute decision, so I would imagine that they didn't have as long to come up with the lore to get them to the right place to be a player race.

As I alluded, the blood elf noob experience is top notch. I mostly play Alliance, and I remember people saying that the Horde quests aren't as fleshed out as Alliance, but blood elves definitely break that mold (again, without going too far in-depth; I only got to 4). I did find it much harder to leave off following the trail of noob quests when I was a belf because they kept me interested.

One thing I noticed is that there were very few male dranei, and very few non-pally belfs. Not only that, most of the pallies were named something derived from or playing on the word "bubble". I sense a bad touch from alliance pallies over the year. Oddly, not all the draneis were shamans, which I expected to see.

Overall excellent launch. Other companies could benefit from doing it like Blizzard did - last non-expansion patch having much of the expansion content front-loaded, launching the upgrade website hours ahead of time, doing midnight releases (which by their nature phase the players in hour by hour due to timezones).

On a side note, I took the day off to play, and by some mischance (involving wife and kids, not the game) have not showered yet at 2pm. I suppose that helped me get into the role....

Quote from: Jayce on January 16, 2007, 11:18:15 AM

Hellfire peninsula... Lots of quests, and the land seems huge. In a way, too huge, because I found it a bit hard to find where I was supposed to go at times... and the way there is patrolled by pretty ugly stuff.

A_FEL_REAVER_001 says "Hi, Jayce! Smell my boot!"

I did some of the newbie quests in Hellfire and ran Hellfire Ramparts a few time. Short, quick instance with some interesting boss fights and great drops - I replaced 6 pieces of gear just last night in about 6 hours (pvp blue/tier 1 stuff).

The lack of lag and server problems really impressed me. The closest it came to troublesome was the fact that I had to authenticate my account upgrade twice.

I picked up CE up from Gamestop on my way to work this morning since they didn't do the midnight release deal, entered the account key from work, and slipped home at lunch to install and poke around a bit. The BE area is very, very impressive, and the newbie quests are very nicely done. I kinda wish they'd go back and give similar treatment to the other newbie quests as well. They also finally got rid of the the letter to the trainer quest, and just had a guy point you in that direction. Since they delayed the trainer visit until level 2, that makes more sense. I have no clue why they originally changed that from beta and made you not start with the letter. The first quests give a good intro and feel for the backstory, options for all armor types in the rewards, and the critters in general seem to be a bit more generous in their vendor drops. And a quest to basically get you to learn about and use your racial ability was nice. I couldn't find a cloth vendor for armor at all though, which was a tiny bit annoying. I'll have to poke around more once I get home.

Anywho, ran to the BE capital, and it was bigger than I expected it would be, having not followed beta overly closely. Lots of little nice touches, like an NPC chasing a tiny construct gone amok. A harrased citizen right inside the first gate, and so forth. My only issue was that in the short time I had, I couldn't find the portal to the Undercity that I've heard is around.

Class wise, I did see alot of paladins, and a few warlocks, with a smattering of hunters and priests. I expect the area will get much more crowded this evening when I'm back on. I did find it amusing to log into a draenai shaman I made for kicks, and so me and the gf could see their intro. When I finally get control of my character, there's probably half a dozen new characters stacked on the creation point, all shaman. I expect Alliance to be drowned in shaman for awhile, which means I'll hold off on mine or ignore common advice and try a paladin.

Im sucking it up and making a BE pally for my guild. The BE starting zone was very crowded last night, at 3 in the morning. Im really scared to see what its like when I get home today.

My plan is to level my BE Pally, and then level my rogue in outland when he has rested. I was in beta, and I really liked outland, but I can wait a few weeks to see it. Hopefully by the time I get my BE up to 60, the population will have spread out a bit in outland.

I picked up my copy of the regular edition from BestBuy at noon today. BestBuy preorder boxes they had sold had stickers that said "Preorder for regular or collectors edition", so there were actual arguments between smelly losers fighting over which one of them was entitled to the last two collector's editions they had behind the counter. Installation, account upgrade, and patching were smooth as silk. It was 1:30 by the time I logged in and started. There were no queues, lag, or other problems. I created a female belf paladin on Malfurion (The server I have Horde guys on) and leveled to 7 in the span of about an hour. The belf inn is hella sexy. I realize it's my own fault for making a female belf, but horny nerds were out in force, and I had possibly the worst opener used on me right before I logged: "Your mini-diablo if the perfect match for your Unadorned Mail". Ick. The starting area was crowded, but not unworkably so. The only mob I ever had to wait to be able to kill one was a named something-or-other at the top of some floaty platform thing for a level 4 quest. And that was only because no one thought to group up and get everyone it's head at once.

There was quite a bit of complaining about Alliance players rolling belfs though, which I thought was kind of weird. It went past the sort of generic crap talk/ribbing you'd expect in into the realm of hateful, meanspirited spite. I thought that was odd, considering Malfurion is a newish server. I could sort of understand it on Warsong, or even Earthen Ring, but I don't think anyone on Malf has even a year invested in those toons.

For anyone holding back on leveling a main in Outlands because of Rest EXP, you might not need to. I logged in this morning after installing the expantion and had almost 2/3 of a level worth of Rest exp just sitting there.

Still waiting for the UPS man. undecided

Icecrown is Full
Position in Queue: 735
Estimated time: 51 min

The general discussion board is full of "server x is down" threads.

Figure I'm gonna wait a couple weeks for them to fix some of the stuff and/or add new servers.

Thanks for the updates, though, it's nice to read about the stuff, since I'm not gonna see it for a while.

Quote from: naum on January 16, 2007, 05:52:14 PM

Icecrown is Full
Position in Queue: 735
Estimated time: 51 min

I thought to myself, "ha ha, no queues for Sargeras".

Then I tried to login tonight.

700 person queue there too!!!!!

Icecrown is Full.
Position in Queue: 498
Estimated time: 53 min

I should have just let myself get afk'd out when I left so I'd be at the character select screen when I came back.

My first 2 and a half hours of BC:

-I log to my level 60 warrior main, who was standing on TOP of the Dark Portal before it opened. The Portal is a boneyard. like 3-4 people there. I go through to the huge gate drama with the demons you've all heard about. I fly on to Honor Hold.

-I dick around in Honor Hold, picking up quests and scoping out NPCs. I get all the new blacksmith plans and upgrade my mining.

-Holy shit, the whole server is there. Hundreds of people around Honor Hold, several more hundred raping the whole zone to death. This place is gonna feel really fucking lonely and huge when everyone has moved on.

-The new continent is huuuuuuge. No more of that micro-zone crap in Azeroth where stuff is 10 feet away. It takes a while to get around even on an epic mount. Oh yeah, Fel Iron Deposits don't exist. The catasses have them all permacamped. Lots of lonely Khorium veins though since they're the highest end deposits.

-I knock out a handful of quests, and obsolete all the mainhand swords in my inventory with a green. Yeesh. Oh well, cool.

-My guildies are really anxious to hit Hellfire Ramparts so we head in with no quests there. We kick the place over in an hour and a half with nobody knowing the instance from Cain. This is including like 3 bathroom breaks and a fair amount of figuring out pulls. No wipes. Really fun instance, lots of melee-type enemies for me to brush up my rusty tanking skills on, no pulls that make you want to die, fun bosses that yell and talk a lot, and great loot. Hunter got a pair of gloves and a main-hand sword, I got a resilience cloak and Hellreaver since our pally didn't want it and no one else could use it. We're gonna farm the hell out of this instance.

-Walk out of the instance, do more quests in the horribly crippling lag. I throw away more blues in lieu of greens after fighting for spawns in the previously mentioned lag. Did I mention the lag was awful?

-Server crashes on return to town. I think I may have been rolled back until just after we exited the instance. Oof. I'm out for tonight.

I am officially readdicted. If the Ramparts are any indication BC is gonna be really fun. Short, content packed, voice-overs, no garbage loot, fun fights.

Transferred characters from Cenarion Circle and Blackwater Raiders to Farstriders.

Total number of Blood elf pallys on right now: 9
Total number of people in Ghostlands: 3
Total number of Blood elves over all: 20

Life is good.

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Reminds me of Shadowbane.

Quote from: Righ on January 16, 2007, 07:43:43 PM

Crash.

Tichondrius didnt' crash once on me tonight, and the level of suckitude in the eversong chat should have caused a stupid singularity, causing it to crash.

However it had half the queue of Sargeras, my main server, so maybe that had something to do with it.

I made my blood elf paladin on ER but I'm much too impatient to try and play tonight. I have no tolerance at all anymore and when I get grumpy, I accidentally abuse people in games. huh

When it opened it was fine. Wife and I ran around for several hours and had fun doing the first quests (the bombing run ones are great!)

Got on this afternoon, and its like the bad old days, only worse as far as lag goes. 500+ queue at 2pm on a Wednesday (aust time), so I guess US Prime Time Tuesday. I expect it to thin out slowly, but right now the server has shit itself twice. It's essentially unplayable, except for the fact that every dumbass (including myself, admittedly) is running around playing anyway.

I'm avoiding combat quests, and just doing collects and fed-exes for now. I figure it's safer.

TBC now crashes every time I tab out. Wonderful. cannot read memory error my ass, that's your sloppy coding.

Other than that, it's fun. For people trying it out, once at fort hold head directly west into the next zone (even the temple in the west of hellfire is crowded) for alternate level 60 quests with less crowding.

www.worldofwarcaft.com at 11:41 PST:

Service Temporarily Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

sigh... I had promised myself I would wait a week. Of course I didn't.

Ya, Tichondrius was fine last night. Barely any lag.

I shut off general chat and all pc names. Made for a more immersive experience.

Server crashed several times last night in varying degrees. Sometimes it was just the Outlands, sometimes just the Hellfire zone, once it was the instance server and once the whole dang thing.

My guild broke-up into various 5-mans and was running Ramparts/ Blood Furnace and WOWing at some of the drops. I reccommend doing the same to anyone else who can't take the lag anymore, as the instances are much more stable and don't suffer from Lag. The Xp was incredible for it, too. We got about 20% of our bar in 60 for our first 45-min run through.

It seems like busier servers actually had some problems. On Ravenholdt, newest RP-PvP realm, I haven't heard any reports of problems and everything was flawless for over 10 hours after launch (until I went to sleep) and continues to be now. It's almost heartening to hear there were issues, as it means my lack of faith in expansion releases isn't completely shattered.

Nevertheless, I'd have to say that it went down much, much, much smoother than I ever imagined, even if there were troubles.

Quote from: Merusk on January 17, 2007, 04:13:01 AM

Same here. No problems locally. Just couldn't get the server to stay stable. I wanted to do instances, but couldn't get the server to stay stable long enough.

Only had one server crash, which was actually an INTERESTING experience, because i got to see something hardly ANYONE is ever going to see in game if the server stays stable.

When the server crashed, the Demonic Seige on the outlands side of the Dark Portal "Reset". I got to see all the Alliance / Horde NPC's line up and get ready for the demons, and then the Pit Commander comes walking down the road to stand in the position you normally see him in, preceeded by a wave or two of demons. He actually MOVES down the road and up the hill to stop at his current position, a little bit of scripting that pretty much no one is ever going to see.

As to alt tabbing, must be something on your end, cause I alt tabbed numerous times to check some stuff with no problems what so ever.

No problem alt-tabbing here either. I did it several times while waiting for servers to come back up. I was trying to be sure I didn't lose my spot in any queues.

Absolutely perfect upgrade experience, no lag issues, patch issues, acct mgmt issues, server crashes, etc. Go Ysondre !

Chromaggus server has been stable with no queues, although its always been a low pop server.

Quote from: Fabricated on January 16, 2007, 07:15:53 PM

Oh yeah, Fel Iron Deposits don't exist. The catasses have them all permacamped. Lots of lonely Khorium veins though since they're the highest end deposits.

Run a circle around the the dark portal going behind it. I found about 8 fel iron nodes back there. No mobs either to bother you. Of course, since Chromaggus is a low pop server, you might see different things.

Another thing is to get (and convince you guildies) to get the developers version of gatherer. When you (or anyone else in your guild/party/raid) mine metal or pick herbs, it will send a message using the addon channel and you'll get the location in your gatherer.

Quote from: ClydeJr on January 17, 2007, 05:34:26 AM

Another thing is to get (and convince you guildies) to get the developers version of gatherer. When you (or anyone else in your guild/party/raid) mine metal or pick herbs, it will send a message using the addon channel and you'll get the location in your gatherer.

Where exactly would you get the "developers" version? I mean, from what I understand about the author of gatherer, such a feature wouldnt normally exist, since the author had specificly stated at one time that gatherer would never let you "share" or "merge" databases because she wanted you to do all the work filling out your database on your own.

Beta version of Gatherer 2.99. Basically, on top of the awesomeness that is Gatherer, it also adds the functionality to send the node you just mined, or the herb you just picked location to guild/group/raid. So, if Monkeyballs is in EPL mining Thorium, when he hits that node, it fills out the node for him on his map, and fills out the node for me on my map if I'm online at the moment. It's fantastic and the more people that have it, the more information you'll get.

Type /gather options I think to open the window in game once it's there and make sure you have the transmit to guild/group/raid selected and working.

It's fantastic, a few of the guildies and I checked it out before TBC and it worked wonderfully.

Quote from: SurfD on January 17, 2007, 05:38:23 AM

From what I can remember, they said they didn't want to just put out a huge database file where people who installed gatherer would instantly know where everything is. With this, you have to be online when someone mines/herbs something to get the info. Although if you really wanted to, you could figure out how to merge the \WTF\Account\<AccountName>\SavedVariables\Gatherer.lua file with other peoples.

Played alot more last night, and I'm really, really liking it. I've moved on to the Ghostlands settlement, and the way they do it is pretty interesting. It's basically it's own faction, and it also has a vendor who will sell you items as you raise that faction, just like they do for BGs and such. I think I did three quests and went from neutral to friendly, and opened up the first item. I believe at app. 16 or 17, you can get a blue even. So I see little grinding, if any, to get good faction and some nice low level items. Also, it seems like the main BE faction raises alot quicker than I remember my undead's main faction rising so early on. Finishing out all the 1-10 quests I could find in Eversong put me at halfway through honored, which seemed alot quicker than I remember. So, at first blush at least, it seems faction grinding will be nowhere near as necessary. I really, really wish they could roll the various changes to the low level experience into the original race starting areas, it'd be very nice.

Server wise, I was on Thrall, and we only had one hiccup the whole time I was on in the evening.

Gatherer and Gathershare - a good pair of mods.

Quote from: Mazakiel on January 17, 2007, 06:57:25 AM

I really, really wish they could roll the various changes to the low level experience into the original race starting areas, it'd be very nice.

I have heard rumors that they have moved up the faction rewards for low level quests in the original newb zones. My friend started a dwarf this week and saw lots of high level alliance burning through the low level dwarf quests, presumably to get their faction up with Ironforge.

It was like that as of 1 or 2 major patches ago. When they introduced the PVP. I assumed it was a bug, but did a few baby stormwind quests for the rep while waiting on AVs