Matt Mihaly's Earth Eternal announced

[stray]

If I created a Hyena/Humanoid comic book character, who was kind of modeled after Wez from the Road Warrior, does that make me a furry?

[Signe]

I don't know, Stray.  This whole thread has started to give me that dangerous buzzing in my ears I get just before I say something really, really strange. 

[Modern Angel]

If I created a Hyena/Humanoid comic book character, who was kind of modeled after Wez from the Road Warrior, does that make me a furry?

Probably but not neccessarily, maybe/if. There's alot of stuff that needs to be seen in context. It might mean your art is derivative crap but that's another issue.

[stray]

I liked Hanna Barbara cartoons too. Not sure if that makes me a furry.

In fact, I never even heard the word furry, and knew nothing about that crazy scene, until I first came to this site.  

[EDIT]

The Hyena in question was just one character among many, in a sci fi like/alternate universe. Basically, I watched one too many National Geographic episodes about the Sahara, and thought it'd be cool if all of those species were humanoids on a planet based on Africa. Most animals follow their apparent stereotypes. Hyenas, for example, were kind of marauders and bandits. Hence, Wez. It had nothing to do with crazy Bunny Boys fucking crazy Bunny Girls.

[Modern Angel]

Sure but remember what I said: if there's a human-animal hybrid somewhere there's a furry group coopting it. They make things which do not suck start to suck. See: Thundercats, Silverhawks, Yogi Bear porn

[CmdrSlack]

Sure but remember what I said: if there's a human-animal hybrid somewhere there's a furry group coopting it. They make things which do not suck start to suck. See: Thundercats, Silverhawks, Yogi Bear porn

Yeah, the furries are worse than the [insert hated minority group here].  Let's [start up the killing device of choice]. 

Seriously, there's sexual kinks that coopt every part of your life.  And almost all of pop culture.  I blame Japan.

[Modern Angel]

The difference is that the foot fetishists aren't having fucking parades and bemoaning the fact they're persecuted. Or what Schild said. I'm not terribly interested in having this debate.

[Merusk]

Every time someone starts discussing furries, I think of Garth's line from Wayne's World and laugh.

"Did you ever think that Bugs Bunny was hot, when he dressed up like a girl?" 

That's about as much thought as I put into it.  Seeing some of you getting all riled up gives me an even bigger laugh.

[geldonyetich]

If you're downloading furry art that isn't crappy and find it aesthetically pleasing...

...then you're a GODDAMNED FURRY.

Yeah, that is what I said at the end of the sentence.  How I was differentiating it was that there's different motivations behind the label, some more justifiably demonizing than others.  To think otherwise is to freak out when you're in Disneyland and see a guy wearing a Mickey Mouse outfit.  Relax, that's a college student suckered into wearing that with promises of cheap tuition, not a pedophile given license to harvest every stray kid in Sleeping Beauty Castle.

Matt Mihlay's Earth Eternal probably wasn't developed to cater to the pedophiles, but he does run the risk of them moving in if a certain clique looks at the animal-esque races and thinks they're being invited.

[Xanthippe]

The difference is that the foot fetishists aren't having fucking parades and bemoaning the fact they're persecuted. Or what Schild said. I'm not terribly interested in having this debate.

Furries do that anywhere but SL?

[HaemishM]

My biggest problem with furries has always been that every furry I've ever known feels obligated to defend his twisted fetish publicly as if it was a goddamn badge of honor. Frankly, I don't give a fuck if you are a furry so long as I don't know about it. You don't hear me discussing what gets my rocks off, do you? No, because it's none of your goddamn business. If furries would learn to shut the fuck up and yiff in private with other furries, like almost every other sexual human does, we'd all get along swimmingly. But when you feel the need to post in gaming threads about how great being humped by another man in a bunny costume is the most normal thing in the world, you've crossed into my "Eat shit and die" category.

Isn't it funny how we've barely talked about Matt's game because we know how many furries will be attracted to it?

[geldonyetich]

Maybe if it was likely to be anything more than a cheap Diku as already suggested.

[Modern Angel]

My biggest problem with furries has always been that every furry I've ever known feels obligated to defend his twisted fetish publicly as if it was a goddamn badge of honor. Frankly, I don't give a fuck if you are a furry so long as I don't know about it. You don't hear me discussing what gets my rocks off, do you? No, because it's none of your goddamn business. If furries would learn to shut the fuck up and yiff in private with other furries, like almost every other sexual human does, we'd all get along swimmingly. But when you feel the need to post in gaming threads about how great being humped by another man in a bunny costume is the most normal thing in the world, you've crossed into my "Eat shit and die" category.

Isn't it funny how we've barely talked about Matt's game because we know how many furries will be attracted to it?

This man is very wise.

[CmdrSlack]

My biggest problem with furries has always been that every furry I've ever known feels obligated to defend his twisted fetish publicly as if it was a goddamn badge of honor. Frankly, I don't give a fuck if you are a furry so long as I don't know about it. You don't hear me discussing what gets my rocks off, do you? No, because it's none of your goddamn business. If furries would learn to shut the fuck up and yiff in private with other furries, like almost every other sexual human does, we'd all get along swimmingly. But when you feel the need to post in gaming threads about how great being humped by another man in a bunny costume is the most normal thing in the world, you've crossed into my "Eat shit and die" category.

Isn't it funny how we've barely talked about Matt's game because we know how many furries will be attracted to it?

When people whip themselves into a tizzy over Gorean retards, then maybe I'll see how this is something beyond this community.  I can't think of the last time any furry types even posted on these or any other spinoff/diaspora forums.  I mean, yeah, they're strange and all, but aside from SB and Shepherd, I can't think of any others that really posted a ton.  Oh, there was those other two weirdos from P2P.  Other than that, I can't really think of a time when they've been the menace that everyone makes them out to be.

Aside from a large presence in SL, which everyone here stupposedly avoids for being teh suck anyway, I haven't even SEEN furries around lately.  Granted, I haven't looked for them either.  Out of all of the things to get worked up over/channel hate and rage towards, furries are pretty low on my list.  But then again, maybe I've just mellowed out over the years.  So long as nobody posts Winger to threads, I don't see these furry parades, nor do I ever see public yiffing...well, anywhere, really.  For fuck's sake, doesn't WoW have an anthropomorphic animal race?  Is there a bunch of Tauren-only yiffing that happens in Alterac Valley?

Well, whatever, I guess to each their own hangups.  I personally hate clowns.  Maybe it's the same thing.

[Modern Angel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYkI7t-Xm9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CXtggT9o3o

Never seen any furries, either. Nope, never.

Remember that line in "Heathers" where the mom says, "Most people who complain about wanting to be treated like adults are complaining because they ARE being treated like adults?" Switch the word adult with normal. You have some kind of kink, fine. I have some. We all have some. But if you're going to walk around in a fucking fur suit don't get pissed off because people go "ZOMG that dude is in a fur suit! FUCKED UP!" because that's what I'd do to any normal person. It's not persecution (scuse me, FURsecution) it's laughing at retards.

[CmdrSlack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYkI7t-Xm9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CXtggT9o3o

Never seen any furries, either. Nope, never.

Remember that line in "Heathers" where the mom says, "Most people who complain about wanting to be treated like adults are complaining because they ARE being treated like adults?" Switch the word adult with normal. You have some kind of kink, fine. I have some. We all have some. But if you're going to walk around in a fucking fur suit don't get pissed off because people go "ZOMG that dude is in a fur suit! FUCKED UP!" because that's what I'd do to any normal person. It's not persecution (scuse me, FURsecution) it's laughing at retards.

Right, fine.  But you're the one saying that Furries are everywhere trying to push their agenda and whatnot, especially in games with anthropomorphic animal avatars.  Those appeared to be videos from furry conventions -- and hey, feel free to mock them.  That doesn't really prove that they're in games evangeliyiffing to the playerbase.  I'm sure it happens, just as nonfurry types are caught cybering.  That shit is also funny.  I am just rather amused that so many people get so worked up about one specific kind of kink to the point of almost declaring some kind of furry illuminati conspriacy. 

But hey, I guess it gives me even more people to laugh at...furries and people who obsessively decry furries to the point of finding links to videos of the thing that revolts them the most...on youtube.  So was that googlefu or was that bookmarked?  Oh wait, you weren't terribly interested in having that debate.   

[Modern Angel]

poetv if you must know. You've seriously never seen the tauren yiff literature and stuff in that vain? Christ, go to the wow forums on any of the rp forums and read between the lines; fully half the tauren player posts have that subtext. They're not going to come and march me away into dogfuckerville but they're there.

Good job on that bookmarking the furry sites thing. Hi-larity.

[CmdrSlack]

You've seriously never seen the tauren yiff literature and stuff in that vain? Christ, go to the wow forums on any of the rp forums and read between the lines; fully half the tauren player posts have that subtext.

I don't go looking for stuff  that I don't like and generally, I try to avoid all text, but subtext especially -- it's just icky.  Also, I've never played WoW, so that must be it.

[geldonyetich]

The more popular the game, the more likely you'll have a thriving culture of whatever playing it.

[hal]

I am aware that it is page 2. But did we stray from the thread title? Maybe just a little? Ya, I am not supposed to post at night but no genitals are involved at least tonight.

[Calantus]

Right, fine.  But you're the one saying that Furries are everywhere trying to push their agenda and whatnot, especially in games with anthropomorphic animal avatars.  Those appeared to be videos from furry conventions -- and hey, feel free to mock them.  That doesn't really prove that they're in games evangeliyiffing to the playerbase.  I'm sure it happens, just as nonfurry types are caught cybering.  That shit is also funny.  I am just rather amused that so many people get so worked up about one specific kind of kink to the point of almost declaring some kind of furry illuminati conspriacy.

It's not that furries are everywhere pissing in the coolaid and making life hell. It's that they are defined by their fetish, so if you ever meet someone you know to be a furry you already know way more about them than is pleasant. There isn't even a word for most of the fetishes in the world, they're just "people who do/like X". Why do furries need their own name? Because they get off on getting together and acting the goddamn victim cause everybody thinks they're all kinds of fucked up for letting us know the crazy shit they do. I haven't ran into a furry for a while. Mostly because they've been pushed out of every community I visit/am part of, and I specifically stay away from places where they congregate.

I don't have a special hate reserved for furries, its just the generic hate I feel towards the various types of people I despise. I feel it pays to keep a list and then vent your whole spleen on whichever of those groups is being discussed in the moment. Very theraputic.

[stray]

How the hell do you even remotely find a community that a furry would be part of? What kind of crowds are those then? Where do these people come from? Like I said, I never knew any of them existed until someone here said something about SirBruce.

[Signe]

SirBruce said he wasn't a furry but didn't mind them and would basically hit anything that has a below the waist.  Personally, I don't care what people do as long as they don't tell me anything unless I ask.  Make sure I ask at least twice because sometimes my mouth/fingers accidentally blurt out, "tell me!", before my brain understands what I'm asking for.

[ajax34i]

There isn't even a word for most of the fetishes in the world...

I thought all one had to do was find the latin word for whatever they like, and add "philia" at the end.

As far as the game, do you think they'll cancel it?  Will this particular discussion have the same effect on the game as when we ridiculed "romans in space" had on that other game?

[Calantus]

How the hell do you even remotely find a community that a furry would be part of? What kind of crowds are those then? Where do these people come from? Like I said, I never knew any of them existed until someone here said something about SirBruce.

I imagine just typing "furry" into google would bring up a community forum or three. They are pretty easy to avoid these days because they tend to keep to their own communities due to everyone pushing them out of the more general communities. So if you don't go into specifically furry territory you are unlikely to run into one. The exception apparently being SL, which I decided was crap before I even knew more than the name so I'm not sure why it has a furry community.

[CmdrSlack]

The exception apparently being SL, which I decided was crap before I even knew more than the name so I'm not sure why it has a furry community.

Aside from it being not entirely crap (there's some good ideas there), there's tons of furries in SL largely because the community there is more tolerant and because the building tools allow them to build their own avatars, etc.

[Calantus]

When I said "crap" I of course meant "crap for me". And it is, I don't like the premise at all, and knew what the premise was before knowing anything about the game because of who it was made by/for. :P

[CmdrSlack]

When I said "crap" I of course meant "crap for me". And it is, I don't like the premise at all, and knew what the premise was before knowing anything about the game because of who it was made by/for. :P

Oh yeah, I just obviously have a different opinion.  I just get weary with the general "SL sucks and is full of sex perverts" meme.  While it's largely true, there's some value in it if you look for it.  Also, I like building stuff -- it's like legos, but with lag and more flexibility.

[Venkman]

The less a game has to discuss, the less likely it is to predict where people will jump to in the feature list.

SL provides good insight into what people would do if we all had our own nanobots. There's actually a lot of really whacked people out there. SL gets the credit here because it's about the only world with real building tools most people here no about (for lack of interest in looking for the others). But that's guilt by association. SL attracts because people can build stuff there, not because of anything Linden Labs tries to do. Without SL, nutjobs would be back in Photoshop and Maya.

EQ2 has two "furry" races, but I've not heard tons of complaints about rampant yiffing there, so why is that?

Not enough emotes.

[Azazel]

Aside from the somewhat-entertaining furry-hate-debate (and I've never known or had any contact with furries, but have come across more than one pair of dark/high/half elves cybering in EQ1), who exactly is Matt Mihaly and why does he get his name in front of the game's title, Sid Meier-style?

[Signe]

He was a wiz on BatMUD.  Which is nice because it's an lpmud.  And this.   And that virtual weapon asset whatchamadoohickey.

[Engels]

How the hell do you even remotely find a community that a furry would be part of? What kind of crowds are those then? Where do these people come from? Like I said, I never knew any of them existed until someone here said something about SirBruce.

Nowadays, I don't think you could really 'stumble upon' furry stuff, unless you wanted to. Back in the nascent days of the intardnet, it was easier than you'd think.

Case in point, myself. I had just moved to Seattle, had no social outlets, so I was playing MUDs. Got a little bored with MUDs, but I'd heard of these things called MUSHes, that were more RP oriented, purportedly aiming at a more literate audience.

I end up on StarWars MUSH. So far so good. Some fun roleplay as an Imperial interrogator. Next thing I know I'm interrogating some person who's roleplaying a cat-like race. This person, a purported 'she', is a decent roleplayer. A few weeks go by, her 'trust' in me grows, and I get an innocent little in game mail to come 'fetch' her at 232.122.21.90 (an example, not a real IP).

Remember now, I have no earthly clue whatsoever what a furry is. I've never heard of it. In my early 20s, not exactly a spring chicken, I've not even concieved of the notion that someone could be sexually drawn to lifeforms with fur. It just doesn't compute.

So I telnet into the above address, see the title of the MOO or MUCK as FurryLand or whatever, and I STILL don't think about it much. I say to myself, "she role plays a cat person, so maybe its some infantile or otherwise innocent desire to explore her 'cat self'" and proceed to log into the above mentioned site. Next thing I know, Chargen is asking me to be an animal before I'm even allowed to send my friend a tell. So I uhm, make an animal character of some sort. I do it completely wrong, however, since I actually create a cat, not a cat-person. Total newb to this furry business.

I finally get into the main gathering area after chargen, and it doesn't take long before the realisation dawns on me that there is a STRONG sexual element to this site. I log out in a fat hurry but feel wierded out for weeks thereafter.

[Endie]

Aside from the somewhat-entertaining furry-hate-debate (and I've never known or had any contact with furries, but have come across more than one pair of dark/high/half elves cybering in EQ1), who exactly is Matt Mihaly and why does he get his name in front of the game's title, Sid Meier-style?

He doesn't actually get that billing: I added it as description for the thread title.  Matt is well-enough known in certain game design circles that I thought it was worth adding - it was his involvement that made me interested in the first place - but I can see that others might be more "who?"

[Modern Angel]

How the hell do you even remotely find a community that a furry would be part of? What kind of crowds are those then? Where do these people come from? Like I said, I never knew any of them existed until someone here said something about SirBruce.

Nowadays, I don't think you could really 'stumble upon' furry stuff, unless you wanted to. Back in the nascent days of the intardnet, it was easier than you'd think.

Given that there was a CSI episode about furries and a BBC mini-documentary (amongst other things) I'd venture that it's quite a bit easier to run across furry stuff than you think.

[Trouble]

I finally get into the main gathering area after chargen, and it doesn't take long before the realisation dawns on me that there is a STRONG sexual element to this site. I log out in a fat hurry but feel wierded out for weeks thereafter.

Sounds like you lost your.......FURGINITY.