Great EVE-O thread to end the year with!

[Simond]

ISS is falling down, falling down, falling down...

Short form:
Butter Dog (now ex-ISS) starts the thread defending ISS & MC fairly rabidly.
Someone from MC sends him an eve-mail asking him to cool it as he's going a little too far.
BD says "Screw you guys, I'm goin' home" and also claims that ISS is very disappointed at MC fleeing like cowards at the first sight of AAA instead of staying to fight & take two more IAC outposts like their contract stipulated.
MC says "Aw hell naw!" and starts flaming.
BD says "Hey, it's not just me - I'm just repeating what the management of ISS told me. Besides, if I was trying to hurt ISS I could have taken $$$ from the corp hangers with my old role. Also: your last 'contract' against IAC never actually had a sponsor"
Aforementioned ISS management shows up: "BD never had any role and never spoke to me"
BD: "What about this PM from you to me on our corp boards, dated a few days back, that vindicates me completely and proves that you're a liar?" *posts image*
And it continues from there. :D

Oh, and there's a GHSC cameo from Istvaan, to boot.

[Yoru]

  I can't feel good about this. ISS didn't seem like giant jerks trying to take over all of 0.0, like several major alliances whom shall remain nameless.

[Raging Turtle]

Threads like that make me feel good about my decision to leave 0.0 

[Simond]

I can't feel good about this. ISS didn't seem like giant jerks trying to take over all of 0.0, like several major alliances whom shall remain nameless.

ISS lost my sympathy about the same time that they removed the word 'neutral' from their charter & started offering their bases as free staging points for BoB/MC/FIX/etc.

[Yoru]

I can't feel good about this. ISS didn't seem like giant jerks trying to take over all of 0.0, like several major alliances whom shall remain nameless.

ISS lost my sympathy about the same time that they removed the word 'neutral' from their charter & started offering their bases as free staging points for BoB/MC/FIX/etc.

They what now?

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[Reg]

Yeesh, and I just invested a billion isk with them thinking they were stable and sensible. Oh well.

[Simond]

I can't feel good about this. ISS didn't seem like giant jerks trying to take over all of 0.0, like several major alliances whom shall remain nameless.

ISS lost my sympathy about the same time that they removed the word 'neutral' from their charter & started offering their bases as free staging points for BoB/MC/FIX/etc.

They what now?

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Just to clarify: The first bit is official, the second unofficial...but not really denied.

[5150]

My corp recently left ISS recently when all the recent anti-ISS sentiment started and this kind of thing is exactly why

D2 (and their buddies IRON et al.) putting ISS to red after an ISS member corp passed D2 fleet movements down south to ACSN really did alot of damage (both internally and externally) to ISS (the member corp was kicked but the damage was done).

Those of us operating in the North got hammered even more than usual (D2 and friends were really the only people keeping the EC-P8R gate secure (from the likes of Triumvirate) at which point the gate became hostile pretty much 100% of the time) and it then became apparent how little ISS actually cared for the Northern members (even less for the EC-P8R locals than the Borealis guys)

Then add in the increase in membership requirments (supposedly to stop any tom, dick or harry joining - all it really did was prevent any corp under a year old from joining), the change in charter (that made ISS even less responsible for anything, even to its members) and the continuing spew from the likes of Butter Dog about how the south was much worse than the north (attempting to justify why ISSN rarely/never gets deployed in the north) and telling us how we all just sucked and just needed to get organised and better (err if I wanted to PvP 100% of the time in ISS I'd have joined ISSN......)

Eventually D2 (and some of the others like FLA) put ISS back to blue but IRON never did (and I believe still hasn't) leaving the North almost as dangerous as previously, ISS diplomats had no interest in the situation (because its 'just' IRON and all up North). The Pure Blind co-ordinator for ISS did next to fuck all while I was a member (we tried to co-ordinate a POS deployment through him and still ended up deploying somewhere that someone else said they had claimed).

Essentially its [now] a case of join ISS and look after yourself (and because of all this recent upset its not even as case of suddenly becoming blue to alot of people when you join ISS)

It's actually a great shame, its a shame that some people really don't understand what neutral means, which got ISS unfairly criticised when they did fight back, its a shame that some people thought that ISS' original recuitment policy (pay 25mil a month and youre in) was an afront to the  'members only club' some people think/want 0.0 space to be and its a shame that ISS reacted in they way they did to these challenges and IMO made things worse

Its also a shame that they let people like Butter Dog and Lilan Khan join _and then_ post on the forums

[Yoru]

Yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm bitter at ISS right now. They were supposed to be the guys who demonstrate that, yes, you really can have a functioning neutral population in 0.0. You don't have to play the "ally or die" game with the big idiots that keeps 0.0 the exclusive boys' treehouse that it is.

The "members only club" mentality is one of the things that makes me really, really loathe most of the 0.0 powers.

On the other hand, they're being led by a guy named Butter Dog. If you know what that actually refers to... yeah...

[Slayerik]

Well, I guess stick me in the "Neutrals might as well be reds" catagory. I don't like them, I don't trust them, and they could be spying for actual enemies. I kill any I can find in the North. I'll kill any I find in low sec. Yaaaarrrrr.

I am part of the North, in the Rule of Three alliance. I don't recommend sight seeing in these parts ;)

[5150]

I am part of the North, in the Rule of Three alliance. I don't recommend sight seeing in these parts ;)

Dont take this the wrong way but.......

Who?

(do you mean Triumvirate? and if so aren't you down to two now with Exanimo leaving?)

[Slayerik]

None taken.

We own a big chunk of the new Kali lands, and now have a station up in our main base of operations. We have cap ships and itchy trigger fingers (enjoyed my first POS tower bash).

Basically, we are blue to D2, Razor, MM and we all will come together to smack down any real invaders. Other than that, everyone kinda just defends their own space.

[hal]

ooohhh, welcome to eve. I have promice my self that I will not post when drunk (which I am ). So I will only say Welcome, Welcome to EVE.

[Wolf]

Basically, we are blue to D2, Razor, MM and we all will come together to smack down any real invaders. Other than that, everyone kinda just defends their own space.

Oh, I see, you're in the north blob 

Sorry, someone had to do it 

[Slayerik]

I can't complain. While the South tears itself apart we are up North making money and building a serious armada. ;)

[Ironwood]

I wish I understood any of that.

I wanna play EVE.

[Yegolev]

The name Butter Dog is taken.  /sadf

[WayAbvPar]

I saw Butter Dog at the Akora-Reisen gate in his pod over the weekend. Now I wish I would have taken a shot at him  :-D

[dwindlehop]

Butter Dog's been hanging out in Akora a lot. He's been a member of WR3CK (The Unassociated alliance (www.eve-una.com) for a whole day.

[5150]

Its probably worth mentioning that Butter pretty regularly drops in and out of ISSN (he gets bored and goes off to pirate in his dead miners society corp) - this was how he (so often) fought the forum wars on ISS' behalf without actually breaking their charter by speaking as an ISS official

Will be interesting to see if he ever joins ISSN again  :-D

[Yoru]

Rumor has it that D2 wardecced ISS this morning.

Now it begins.

[Wolf]

It's official, d2 made an annoucement on the forums :)

[Yegolev]

Awesome.  A scenario like this is why I voted for Ross Perot.

[Yoru]

Rumor has it that RAGOON is mobilizing against ISS as well.

[Furiously]

F13 should wardec em too...

[Trouble]

My first introduction to ISS was their IPO post on the forums. It seemed to me to be a really good idea and I was interested in investing. Thankfully I didn't have enough spare cash lying around as investing in my own ideas turns the best profit for now. I guess getting to know the background of something before investing is probably a good idea, as from what I can tell I would have seen this a mile away and not invested if I had bothered to check.

[Comstar]

Note I am a low level grunt in IAC who joined it a week before the war started, so I only know what I read on eve-o.  I was a DD escort at one of the ZX gates this morning, never saw a hostile for the time I was on station.

RA(though i only saw the swarm at the gate I was at)GOON helped take down the POS's in KDF today, and F4 afterwards. F4 isn't quite finished (and apperentrly a founding member of ISSN offlined half of them! I now belive the guilding hand social club is behind the entire thing). D2 is taking the station(s?) up north. ISS will be left with no public stations.

LV/Fix etc havn't made any apperence, and the remaining POS's go down in next 2 days.

I expect the Count to take the money and run. ISS is dead as it is currently. Unless BoB interveans to stop AAA/Goons getting one of the ISS stations as spoils (I have NO idea who will be getting what, if any) ISS will be gone from the south with thier public stations in 5 days or so. The LV stations they "manage" might stay around though, but the direct supply line will be cut.

ZX had 300+ people in it. 25 ISS and the rest the forces of the....ehh...need a name for this militry alliance. RA-AAA-IAC-GOON? Note that D2 is seemingly conducting an unreleated war, though they had someone in the ZX system for some reason. Some of the IAC-temp-allied pirate corps (Shroad?) went up north to attack ISS and ended up shooting D2 instead. Nevertheless, D2 took the right time to attack ISS now that the Merc's have been shown up not willing to stand up to a full on Allience.

The Count should have made peace with IAC before he started taking POS's. IAC was the agresser IMO, but was only going to take an ISS station if the oppotuiny prestend itself. The count calling in LV/Fix gave AAA and RAGOON the freedom to interveane and presentend the oppotuinity. If he'd payed some Danegold to buy off Tryaxxx and Co, he'd still have his company.

[Endie]

OK, ity all sounds really fun and impressiv, but can someone explain it again slowly in short words.  All I can get is: ISS try an IPO and everyone dogpiles...  I have a feeling there is a bit in the middle.

[Raging Turtle]

And now the Goons, of all people, have exposed someone in ISS willing to offline POSes in two ISS outpost systems for money.

A short summary for Endie: 

1.  ISS has a lot of investors give money to help set up multiple neutral outposts in 0.0 space.  ISS profits on this by charging docking fees. 
2.  This goes mostly well for a while with a few hiccups.
3.  There's a war between IAC and MC (plus FIX and others I think), and ISS lets MC and others use their 'neutral' outposts as staging areas to attack IAC, who I think had an outpost in the system next door.  IAC says that screw you guys, ISS says they stopped letting MC do this as soon as they realized what was going on, IAC says we don't care.  Other corps join in against ISS for various reasons that I'm not really clear on.  Once ISS is wardecced by D2, a major power, most people expect ISS to be finished off in short order. 

D2 decced two days ago, so... I dunno.  Read the offical eve forums Corps and Alliances for the latest. 

[5150]

Apparently all the ISS POS in the 2 northern outpost systems (EC-P8R and the one Borealis is on P-2TTL I think its called) are in reinforced mode as of last night (D2 took their Titan for a spin)

I have to say that unless D2 go south this is a pretty cowardly move by them (although a tactically sound one) because they know that ISS is currently tied up with IAC (the chances that ISS will send anything up to defend the north is slim to none I think) and so they can pretty much walk in and take both outposts without any trouble

and I cant see D2 going south as that would take them into range of BOB

Its also worth pointing out that prior to this ISS were blue to D2 (the southern ACSN intel incident that recently resulted in D2 setting ISS to negative was resolved) and since its not known what the catalyst for this war is (so in the absence of info you kinda have to think that ISS didnt intentionally do anything wrong) this doesn't exactly look good for D2 in its treatment of its 'friends'

[Simond]

D2 are only cowards if this is the beginning of the end of the war. I strongly suspect, however, that it's merely the end of the beginning.

My guess at who's next: Lokta Volterra. Then, if there's still no response from the real target, FIX. And so on.

[Endie]

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A short summary for Endie: 

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Thanks for that: much appreciated.  Damn, but this acronym-war thing makes it all obtuse, though.  Fun to read about once a first pass at decryption is complete.

I took a look at the rmt ISK prices when the Bob/ASCN thing kicked off a while ago.  I checked again this week and the price of ISK seems to have risen by about 20-25%.  Is this how these corps really support their losses in dreads and stuff?  Or is that pretty rare?

[Yoru]

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A short summary for Endie: 

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Thanks for that: much appreciated.  Damn, but this acronym-war thing makes it all obtuse, though.  Fun to read about once a first pass at decryption is complete.

I took a look at the rmt ISK prices when the Bob/ASCN thing kicked off a while ago.  I checked again this week and the price of ISK seems to have risen by about 20-25%.  Is this how these corps really support their losses in dreads and stuff?  Or is that pretty rare?

When F13corp was in -V-, timecodes seemed to be the expected way for -V- players to make isk, since they never gave us a breathing moment to rat/mine/anything-but-pvp. (Which, not coincidentally, led to far lower peak headcount than usual for us.)

[Morat20]

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A short summary for Endie: 

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Thanks for that: much appreciated.  Damn, but this acronym-war thing makes it all obtuse, though.  Fun to read about once a first pass at decryption is complete.

I took a look at the rmt ISK prices when the Bob/ASCN thing kicked off a while ago.  I checked again this week and the price of ISK seems to have risen by about 20-25%.  Is this how these corps really support their losses in dreads and stuff?  Or is that pretty rare?

When F13corp was in -V-, timecodes seemed to be the expected way for -V- players to make isk, since they never gave us a breathing moment to rat/mine/anything-but-pvp. (Which, not coincidentally, led to far lower peak headcount than usual for us.)

I couldn't hack that. What is F13Corp doing these days? Just whatever?

[WayAbvPar]

I think most of us are competing with each other in the ship building market around Akora  :-D

Should have my first Raven up for sale by the end of the day, if anyone is in need. I probably should have kept track of what I paid for all the mins, huh? I R N00B.