I'm done! Nintendo has fucked me on^h^h^h 3 times too many!

[Joey]

I don't like the new Nintendo. They enjoy fucking with me and my childhood.

Yep... Certifiable.

[Velorath]

I played a lot of good games on the N64:  Mario 64, two Zelda games, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Conker, Paper Mario, Banjo-Tooie, etc...  It was a good system that had the drawback of using carts instead of CD's, making the games more expensive.

[Triforcer]

Goldeneye, M64, and Banjo Kazooie alone were worth the N64.  Also, the version of Mario Kart w/all the map glitches that allowed you to complete races in 15 secs.   

[Cheddar]

Did no one else here play games on the N64 and Gamecube? It's like I'm talking to people who haven't played a Nintendo system or game since the SNES. Once again, SNES = best sytem ever. That Nintendo is dead. I don't like the new Nintendo. They enjoy fucking with me and my childhood. If a truly good third party game that makes the Wii great comes out for the Wii, I'll be the first to admit it as such. Super Swing Golf, like I said, is pretty fucking awesome. Other than that, the system has been a lollercoaster for me. Needs More Cowbell.

[/agree] I loved the Gameboy cartridge thingy you could use with SNES.  Cowbell indeed!

N64 was pretty damn close, though.  Lots of good times drinking beers and playing games on it were had. 

[Margalis]

If you buy 20 games a month Nintendo systems probably aren't for you. If you buy one a month you are ok.

[Jain Zar]

I've just gotten used to the fact Schild and myself have totally different views on videogaming.
(I bitch about shitty gamestore policies and he thinks I am a dick for it, yet he is totally purging himself of ALL Nintendo games because Zelda doesn't have some targeting crosshair.  Yet I am the crazy one...)

But that SNES era Nintendo?  SHIT.  (With a couple really great games.)

I was a Genesis/Commodore gamer.  Nintendo was EA and Sony combined back then.  Oppressive , evil, and arrogant as all fuck out.

Since then they have made some really great games.  To say they haven't made anything good since the mid 90s is beyond fucking wrong.
Its BUSH ADMINISTRATION WRONG.

But it is good comedy of a sort.

[schild]

But that SNES era Nintendo?  SHIT.  (With a couple really great games.)

What?

Super Metroid
Super Mario World
Link to the Past
Donkey Kong Country
Earthbound
F-Zero
Pilotwings
Super Mario All Stars (arguable)
Super Mario Kart
Super Punch-Out
Tetris Attack
the Kirby Titles
Star Fox

Not to mention the stuff in Japan.

N64:
Mario 64
Goldeneye (I'll give that up since I put DKC under SNES)
Ocarina of Time
Mario party
Paper Mario
Smash Bros.

Gamecube:
Animal Crossing
Eternal Darkness (Silicon Knights)
Wind Waker
Smash Bros. Melee
Paper Mario
Pikmin 1/2
Wario Ware

F-Zero not listed under Cube because it was made by Amusement Vision, a Capcom company. I didn't really want to list the Rare or Silicon Knights stuff, but I figured they deserve the spot despite them having no possible chance of making anything for the Wii. To even imply that anything on the 64 or Cube even remotely compared to Link to the Past, Super Mario World, Super Metroid or Earthbound is just astounding. Those games still hold up today - even graphically due to their simplicity. I can't stand to play stuff on the 64. Even Dreamcast stuff is aging - but I long for more fantastic 2D stuff from Ninty. It's one of the reasons I'm hoping Atlus doesn't pull the plug on Odin Sphere for the PS2 (assuming Sony approves it...)

Anyway, considering the GRAND TOTAL of all my nintendo games post SNES adds up to a total of... 6 titles, it's not exactly genocide here. I wasn't really supporting them as a game dev house at all. And you think Nintendo has changed their policies for home consoles? Pffft. Everything still has to be licensed by Nintendo and still has to adhere to much stricter rules and testing than the other systems.

Anyway, you were a Genesis gamer back in those days. I don't see why you'd give a shit. I feel sorry for you. I had both systems and the SNES between Squaresoft, Nintendo, and Capcom proved to be the much better purchase for Every Genre short of Sonic the Hedgehog titles. Wouldn't that be a fun argument to bring back? SNES vs. Genesis. Man, in hindsight, I can only begin to imagine how silly the Genesis owners felt. Ironically, I somehow ended up enjoying the Saturn and Dreamcast more than the 64 and Cube. Though, it's not fair to bring the Saturn into the equation since the PS1 outperformed the 64 in every genre also.

I don't even remember what I was going to get at here. But saying SNES era Nintendo was Shit just makes you look like an idiot.

[stray]

I was a Genesis fanboy, but the SNES definitely wasn't shit. In terms of consoles wars, that's as best as it gets.

Personally though, I think just about everything Sega did was more inventive and more varied than what Nintendo did: They could make the jump from Afterburner and Outrun to Sonic and Ecco to Shinobi and Strider to Gunstar and Streets of Rage to Phantasy Star to Herzog and Shining Force. There isn't a company in the history of gaming with so many good titles as Sega had back then. Nintendo just kept churning out variations of Mario, Zelda, and Donkey Kong.

Third party wise, the SNES probably had better RPG's and a better Street Fighter. The Genesis had better sports games and a more gory Mortal Kombat.

Plus, the Genesis looked cooler than the SNES did.

[schild]

There's no question the SNES had better RPGs, you only need to look at Square and Enix's back catalogue. Nintendo had the third party support to be #1 back then. Ever since then - because they treated their third party folks like shit - they have not have the firepower to be #1. There's a good chance they never will. Hell, EGM is even making fun of them again for fucking up the third party support on the Wii. If I were a developer, I'd want to get my back catalogue on Xbox Live simply because you don't need to hook the goddamn controller up to another one to make it work (possibly the biggest design flaw out there for the new system).

The Genesis had a large number of good games, but the best Genesis games didn't compare to the best Super Nintendo games and at the end of a generation that's what you look at. I absolutely love Phantasy Star, and god knows I've had my complaints about Final Fantasy - but the entire collection of Phantasy Star just doesn't compare to Final Fantasy IV or VI. As good as Sonic was, it's not fun to go back and play it - not compared to Super Mario World or Super Metroid. Hell, Super Castlevania. And no one can even pretend the Genesis had a title even in the same realm as Link to the Past. Like I said, I positively love Nintendo. I'll always love Sega for giving me the Dreamcast. But there's just no question, the SNES was - until recently - the single best system to ever pop into existance. It pains me to say it, but I think the PS2 has taken that spot now.

If Nintendo gets over the "it's about the controller" bullshit their pimping, maybe I'll take another look at their shit. But if they keep shoehorning in controls for games and not give me an option to play with a regular controller, my boycott will still stand. I don't want to wave my hands around and shit ever again to play something like Zelda. I don't and won't do it for Mario or Smash Bros either. I could really care less if people think I'm crazy for wanting the OPTION to play what some people (...wiibois) would probably call "old skool" style.

[KapcomS]

The SNES was a fine system. I never really caught on to Genesis games until later, mostly because it's godamn sound chip had the downs. Not kidding here. I can forgive a lot in videogame sound, I grew up loving NES music. But the damn staticy bullshit you get from an actual Genesis system? Just... fucking... terrible. And the color palette was miserable. It's like they made a videogame system out of static. Don't get me wrong, they had great games. Altered Beast, Sonic, SoR 1-2 (3 is abomination), and perhaps a half dozen others.

Schild, I have to ask... your Nintendo Boycott, will it extend to the DS? Because that won't really affect things, most of the DS's best stuff is 3rd party. But you might miss out on some good titles. I don't know if you'd count Tetris DS or Mario Kart in there. I respect a grudge more than most, but, think of the DS man, think of the DS!

[schild]

Only first party console titles. For a long time I've felt that given the ass whooping Nintendo has gotten in homes (not in terms of profitability, but simply install numbers and lack of third party shit) should have made them get over their goddamned pride and just shut down the hardware side. Simply make third party games for Sony and Microsoft. Or pick one of the two. Shit, they have killer apps. People buy a third system just for the 5-10 games they make each generation that are worthwhile. They could swing the pendulum between the MS and Sony consoles like some sort of evil feedbag. They could point their finger, sign an exclusivity contract and rake in the fucking money. Sure, they'rr profitable now. But I bet they'd make a shitton more money just making software for home consoles rather than making all of us fuckers buy a 3rd system just to enjoy their stuff.

I've no gripe with the DS. The DS would have to fail horribly and get beaten out by two other units for a couple generations and then Nintendo would have to come out with OTHER handheld devices year after year and have no third party support for me to extend this to the DS.

[CmdrSlack]

So, really, it's not a boycott.

The problem is actually that you aren't as enamored with the control scheme of the Wii as you thought you'd be and are mad that you can't plug in the regular/standard controller on Ninty-made games?

A boycott would imply that you're not buying any of a company's products, not just some.  It's like me saying, "I am boycotting Sony!" because the PS3 is way too expensive, but still buying PS2 games.

[Yegolev]

I am not whipped into a froth about it, but Schild does have a point about the Wiimote.  Only recently have we seen DS games that don't shoehorn stylus action into a game simply because there is a touch screen.  He mentioned Portrait of Ruin, which I suspect someone is getting me for the winter solstice gift celebration and therfore I don't have it.  I am, however, currently playing Dawn of Sorrow.  It is a great game, totally awesome, BUT one big thing that keeps it from reaching Symphony of the Night status is the god-damned stylus gimmick.  I don't have a problem with the stylus, it's fucking great in menus and shit, but don't make me stop playing a button-oriented game to whip out a stylus, which I probably am holding in a place a cigarette would go.

I am sure that the day will come when there are Wii games that use the Wiimote intelligently and games that avoid gimmicks, but that's not today.

By the way, I did not have a N64 during its supposed lifetime.  I bought one in 1999, I think, for $80 with Mario Kart.  I also have some wrestling cart with Goldberg on the label.  That's it.  I played Ocarina of Time on the Cube.  I played Majora's Mask on the Cube.  Anal rape averted!

I am pretty sure Schild never thought the Wiimote was a good idea.  I might be misremembering.

[stray]

Well to be fair, lets say there were a whole bunch of Schilds out there, who played the DS, but didn't buy anymore Wii games. It'd still indicate something to Nintendo.

I guess that's just a boycott of the Wii. Not of Nintendo per se.

[Sky]

I played some Mario64 in electronics at walmart when I was working there. We had weekly Goldeneye sessions at the eqholic's pad.

That's it. When the rest of the band was playing the NES I was playing Ultima 5 on the C64. I've always been the pc gamer. I did own a Genesis for a while, mostly for Joe Montana's Sports Talk Football.

[stray]

I'll go where the games are. I liked the Genesis more than SNES, but it was because of Sega's games.

PC's are disappointing me immensely. I see no reason to hold on to them just for the sake of it. I've had more fun out of a 6 year old console (PS2) than anything on the PC in the last 3 years. That's pathetic.

The Wii, while cool, just seems too radical a change for what I want out a general gaming console. It's nothing that I'd want to buy a lot of games on. I'll eventually get it though.

[Strazos]

Just wanted to toss in that Pilotwings64 was Tons of FUN. Had that shit on release, and kept it up until I got rid of the system...which I actually wish I never did.

[HaemishM]

I was a Genesis fanboy, but the SNES definitely wasn't shit. In terms of consoles wars, that's as best as it gets.

No.

Up until the focus on the Sega CD/Saturn, the Genesis was hands down the better system. It was the PS1 of its day. It had more games, and even though technologically inferior to the SNES (only by a hair), it had better games until they threw too much effort into CD-based games. Really, until Street Fighter 2 came out for the SNES, it was a hard sell. I should know, I had to sell them. SF2 was the killer app that brought the SNES within sniffing range. Had Sega not screwed the pooch with the CD add-on and then the Saturn, they'd still be around as a console manufacturer. The SNES system was harder to program for and had an inferior controller.

As for Nintendo games, meh. I don't buy consoles nor do I measure their worth by first-party titles. If I did, the X-Box would be a smoking hole of shitty shit shit shit. So would the PS2. Nintendo only gets noticed because their first-party titles are usually superior or more popular than third party. The Wii is no exception, as Zelda is the best game on the system so far. Luckily, the Wii has a number of other quality titles like Red Steel and Call of Duty 3. Had the SNES had a game the quality of Zelda on release day, it would have taken a lot less time for the system to hit it big and Sega would have been hurting that Christmas instead of the one two years later.

You didn't like Zelda. That's ok. I think you are high, but hey everyone has their opinions. But to say Nintendo is dead to you because you made the conscious mistake of buying the same game twice when you didn't like it the first time. Seek help.

[schild]

The Genesis had more quality games? I'm sorry man, I've got all of Segas consoles outside my door and I had all the prime games for each one and unfortunately, the Genesis was so far behind the SNES it was disgusting. I SUPPOSE if you removed RPGs from the equation COMPLETELY it would have been a tie. But then, if you call Red Steel and Call of Duty 3/Wii good gaming, god onloy knows what sort of shit you were playing on the Genesis.

I didn't like the control scheme in Zelda the first time. I bought it a second time because I wanted to use a CONTROLLER. Not a magic fucking wand and testes sack. There was NO reason for me to assume the controls would suck on a standard controller. They need to put that shit on the box.

Compared to the 360, the original xbox is a smoking hole of shitty shit shit shit. As for the PS2? You did not just knock the first party titles. Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, God of War? Sony Corporate's internal studios create some of the best first party titles in the history of gaming. And they're not afraid to make stuff for people over the age of 13. In fact, I own and enjoyed more Sony first party titles this last go round than I did Nintendo first party titles. The only Ninty one that got major play time was Smash Bros.

[stray]

I don't care if it's WWII or not, Call of Duty are solid games, man. All of them have been.

Don't know about the Wii version though, but I don't think it makes that big of a difference. The strength of CoD is the scripting.

[EDIT]

As for trying to paint the Genesis as shitty, you're not even "out to lunch" anymore. That's just fuckin' wack. I'd be in gaming ecstasy right now if there was an equivalent next gen system with an equivalent next gen catalog.

[EDIT]

That word..."Next Gen"....

I really hate using it.

[schild]

I'm not trying to paint the genesis shitty at all! I wouldn't have owned it back then if it was. I didn't have a 3D0 and I took a bad gamble on the Jaguar. The Genesis was Very Very Good. The SNES simply had the better library at the end of that generations lifecycle - by far. That's all I'm saying. it's not a fucking dig at the genesis. It's fucking reality. The Genesis was Still Worth Owning and Still Worth Buying a Bunch of games for. Especially if you like sports titles.

[Azazel]

Schild makes wacky/borderline crazy/totally crazy/opinionated statement! News at 11!

Seriously though, the method and very specificness of the EA (not Maxis) and Nintendo (not DS or hardware) boycott makes no sense to me at all, but then again it doesn't hurt me one iota where Schild decides to spend (or not spend) his money, so more power to him.

The Mega Drive/Genesis was a good console, but overall the SNES had more gaming goodness that I liked to play, so I preferred it in as much as you prefer one system you own to another. I've still got mine and a select few games for it. Mario Kart/Bomberman series FTW~!

..and Super Double Dragon.  

Schild's last post on those two is right on the money for me, at least. My bad gamble was on the 3DO, not the Jag, but hey, it still had it's good games and I even have the thing set up again. It doesn't get a lot of action, but it's set up again.

Also, went to buy component cables this morning. The shop had the box, but hadn't had them in stock at all yet. Not sold out, but "we haven't had those arrive yet, sorry." WTF is that?

[HaemishM]

The Genesis had a fuckload of quality titles, many of which were not wankjob anime hentai Japanimation linear boring as fuck RPG's. Hell, the first Sonic game was a better platformer than all Mario games combined, because I actually enjoyed playing Sonic and can't to this day stand more than about 15 minutes of any Mario game. The SNES only had a good number of quality games by the end of its lifecycle by which point it was a dead machine. Until Sega dropped Genesis development for the Saturn, there were just more and better games for the Genesis. The SNES had good games, just not as many and had the Saturn fiasco not happened, Genesis would still have had more quality games than SNES.

Call of Duty 3 is a damn fine shooter. Red Steel is as well. I'd put them both up with some of the better PC shooters I've ever played, only losing points for lack of multiplayer. The 360 makes the old X-Box library a smoking hole? Considering there are less than 10 games I'd pay money on the 360 for, even less if you take out the crippled versions of EA Sports titles, and I have at least that many X-Box games on my shelf that I haven't traded in, I'm going to say you are wrong on that one.

[stray]

The Mega Drive/Genesis was a good console, but overall the SNES had more gaming goodness that I liked to play, so I preferred it in as much as you prefer one system you own to another. I've still got mine and a select few games for it. Mario Kart/Bomberman series FTW~!

Yeah, it just comes down to tastes (but of course). In my mind, the Genesis is the best thing to ever happen to gaming -- in the same way Schild thinks the SNES was. Both were great either way though.

To Schild: Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying.

[Strazos]

Who cares, most real gamers had both anyway.

[stray]

Ah, so you do like consoles after all.

[schild]

The Genesis had a fuckload of quality titles, many of which were not wankjob anime hentai Japanimation linear boring as fuck RPG's. Hell, the first Sonic game was a better platformer than all Mario games combined, because I actually enjoyed playing Sonic and can't to this day stand more than about 15 minutes of any Mario game. The SNES only had a good number of quality games by the end of its lifecycle by which point it was a dead machine. Until Sega dropped Genesis development for the Saturn, there were just more and better games for the Genesis. The SNES had good games, just not as many and had the Saturn fiasco not happened, Genesis would still have had more quality games than SNES.

Lol, you're broken and don't know the SNES library.

Call of Duty 3 is a damn fine shooter. Red Steel is as well. I'd put them both up with some of the better PC shooters I've ever played, only losing points for lack of multiplayer. The 360 makes the old X-Box library a smoking hole? Considering there are less than 10 games I'd pay money on the 360 for, even less if you take out the crippled versions of EA Sports titles, and I have at least that many X-Box games on my shelf that I haven't traded in, I'm going to say you are wrong on that one.

What?

[HaemishM]

It's what I said. Call of Duty 3 was as good on the Wii as earlier COD shooters were on a PC, with the only fundamental negatives being lower resolution and no multiplayer. As a single-player game, both COD 3 and Red Steel have as high a place in my memory of quality shooters as the first Half-Life, the first Unreal, and Doom. Again, YMMV, but I think they hold up just fine.

[schild]

OHHHHH EARLIER CODS? Yea, when I play new games I wanna take a time warp.

Go play Gears of War and then tell me about Red Steel being good.

[StGabe]

Go play Gears of War and then tell me about Red Steel being good four hours later when you've finished the whole damn game.

Gears is great.  But it's short.

Anyway, I think most of this is just nostalgia run rampant and an inability to adapt.  SNES?  Great at the time.  Sure.  I'm with you there.  Now?  There are only a few games from that era that I could still seriously play for very long.  Standards have gone up.  Not just graphics.  For all the talk of Chrono Cross or whatever RPG's from that era, if you cut the nostalgia kick, they all have stories that we'd laugh at if released today.  If you were 12 now and the Wii was your first big console then in 20 years you'd be talking shit about the latest "next gen" whatevers and talking about all the amazing titles your Wii had back when.

[Margalis]

Wrong.

It isn't nostalgia. I can play FFIV, V or VI today. Every year when I go home I beat Super Castlevania again. Last Christmas when I got home my sister's fiance was downstairs playing Actraiser! (A game he had never played before and he isn't a gamer in general)

Graphical standards have gone up. Other standards - largely have not. Chrono Trigger is certainly better than a bunch of generic RPGs that come out today. I played Tales of Symphonia for about 2 hours before deciding it was dull as shit. Tactics Ogre is still the best SRPG game available on any system. Hell a couple years ago my friend and I played through a 2-play SMB3 (from All Stars) together. And it was really fun.

There is nothing magical about the passage of time that makes games magically better. Comics from the 70s are as good as comics today.  F-Zero for the N64 is better than the Cube version.

Sure, there are plenty of games you go back and play again and they kind of suck. But then again there are plenty of games as good today as they were back then.

Aliens is a better movie than Starship Troopers.

[Azazel]

Margalis is absolutely correct here. My choices of game would be different to his, but fun is fun is fun. Some games now suck, but often those were the ones where the shiney of graphics played a major part of their fun-ness. Anyone here remember Last Ninja for the C64? Try playing that thing today and see if you don't want to gouge your own eyes out with a rusty spoon.

[Strazos]

Actraiser...man, that brings me back.

[Yegolev]

ActRaiser was the sheeeeeit.  Super Duper.  ActRaiser 2, not so much.

You know, I recently started playing the original Final Fantasy again.  Well, the PS1 update, since my NES is tits-up, but I do have the actual NES cart.  It's pretty good, really, in the retro vein.  I also started on some Bushido Blade last night, until the wife intervened.  Fun is fun.

The game I remember really enjoying on the Genesis was, uh damn I forgot the name just now.  The Running Man game-show video game.  Total Carnage?  Oh wait... it worked better on the SNES thanks to the controller.  keke.

[ahoythematey]

Smash TV?