I'm done! Nintendo has fucked me on^h^h^h 3 times too many!

[schild]

First they make me shake the nunchuck for my spin attack.

Then they make me hunt down a component cable for the Wii like it's part of the Rambaldi device.

Then I finally find a Gamecube copy of Zelda and OMFG. NO TARGETING RETICLE IN FIRST PERSON, BROKEN Z-TARGETING, NO WAY TO FIX THE Y-AXIS (AUTO INVERTED), AND I CAN'T USE THE GODDAMN D-PAD IN OPTION SCREENS.

FUCK YOU NINTENDO. YOU'RE DEAD TO ME.

[schild]

Nintendo won't let me love them. That's the only possible explanation. They want me to hate them. THEY WANT ME TO.

THEY CAN'T HELP IT. THEY NEEEEEEEEED TO SHOVEL SHIT INTO MY MOUTH.



GRAAGHHIAGAWDFIAASHDHGHHHH

[Signe]

Breathe!

[Trippy]

Why are you playing the GC version of Zelda?

NO WAY TO FIX THE Y-AXIS (AUTO INVERTED)

I already got over the camera a while ago. It becomes second nature after a few hours.

[schild]

The Wiimote is Not Fun for a game like this. I can see party games, I can see sports games. Zelda? NO. So I bought the GC version. Hell, they look Exactly the same. But everything is inverted because they had to make Link a righty in the Wii one (how fucked is that). Goddamnit.

[Roac]

Then I finally find a Gamecube copy of Zelda

Dude.  Lame.

[Big Gulp]

So you bought two versions of the same game which have virtually identical graphics on either platform?  Yeah, way to show Nintendo who's boss.     Fuck, you're the guy who bought duplicate DSes because you wanted a red one.  Who the hell do you think you're kidding with this "dead to me" bullshit?

[schild]

I bought the cube version so I could use a real controller, wiseass.

[NiX]

GC controller doesn't work on Wii games?

[schild]

Apparently Nintendo is being... insistant on most titles using the Wii controller only. It has resulted in the actual destruction of the Metal Slug game - it's horrible.

If they had simply included an option for me to use the Wavebird with Wii Zelda, and they fixed those niggles like the Y-Axis shit (which is a bigger problem than I'm giving it - there's simply no fucking excuse) - I probably wouldn't have really complained at all. At worst the complaints would have been "Bleh, water dungeon too big" or "Keep recycling enemies, it sure was fun the 4th time." But nothing that would have resulted in my losing my shit. I'm still angry.

[Jeff Kelly]

Twilight Princess is the game that I had the most fun with this year, it even broke my WoW addiction. It is a better game than even ocarina of time in my opinion and the Wii controls work very well.

Well it just shows once again that we have totally incompatible preferences as far as gaming is concerned.

[stray]

Well, you were coming from WoW. Barbie Makeover Studio would be impressive at that point too.^*


* It's a joke.

[schild]

* It's a joke.

No it's not. God of War and Resident Evil IV broke me off of MMORPGs. That's exactly what it is. It's kinda like reexperiencing something for the first time.

[Margalis]

Metal Slug uses the pointer?

New systems usually have some goofy rules attached to the games. Nintendo made *every* game use Mode 7 effects on the SNES at first, even if just on the title screen. Sony had a no 2D graphics rule.

In a way it makes sense, you don't want people being lazy and not using the Wiimote at all or people making a bunch of Genesis games for your Playstation. I would guess the requirements will relax. Clearly some games are not meant for the Wiimote, especially ports of stick-based arcade games.

[Kitsune]

Why is shaking the nunchuck an arduous task for you?  I agree that the Wii's controller is not optimal for every game ever made, but I haven't had any problems or grief in using it for Zelda.  And for that matter, Wind Waker didn't have any crosshairs for aiming, either.  You had to sight along the weapon and have a general idea where it was going to go.

[schild]

Shaking a stick and nub around didn't feel like Zelda. Had it enhanced it in any way whatsoever, I'd have been either indifferent or favorable to it. IMO, random shaking of your right hand for preset attacks, and pointless use of the chuk is just a waste of my time - also, less fun. At least for me.

-

Margalis, SCEA has a rule for no-2D. Sony Japan does not. Even SCEE has let some 2D shit slip through the cracks. SCEA? Not unless it's a collection of substantial games. And even then, it took them about 3 years to let that become common place. Honestly, this is the single biggest thing that annoys the shit out of me with the console makers. I realizee they should want to keep quality up - but who gives a shit what form quality comes in.

If Nintendo wants to use the Wiimote for all their first party shit, I'll understand. But shoehorning it into classic series without actually making damn sure the Wiimote is better is just insulting as a gamer. They should come up with new IP for the Wiimote, it's just that simple - though I'm not sure they have enough creativity left to create a new "mascot." The system has become about the Wiimote - it needs to switch focus to the games; if the wiimote is used, well great. If it isn't used, who gives a shit? They learned quickly with the DS that useless touchscreen operation took away from games (Dawn of Sorrow anyone?). They'll probably learn quickly with the Wii as well. Unfortunately, with how horrible Nintendo is at making sure they have a steady supply of games on home consoles, I'm not entirely sure it'll matter at all. They might as well change the system name to the Nintendo Emu as far as I"m concerned.

[stray]

* It's a joke.

No it's not. God of War and Resident Evil IV broke me off of MMORPGs. That's exactly what it is. It's kinda like reexperiencing something for the first time.

I was stretching a bit with the Makeover thing. There is a Barbia GBA platformer that's better than WoW though.

[KapcomS]

I was stretching a bit with the Makeover thing. There is a Barbia GBA platformer that's better than WoW though.

I'll be the judge of that! I'll have a full report on this platformer shortly. Having run two dwarves to 60 and gotten friggin sick of the game, I think I can safely make the comparison. Now, what is this Barbie GBA title?

[schild]

The sequel to...

[stray]

Now, what is this Barbie GBA title?

Barbie and Magic of Pegasus.

It's not really worth playing though (do I really have to tell you that?). It's only a better game than WoW because it really is a game. It wins by default.

[Yegolev]

I choose to make fun of you for prefering to use the D-pad in menus.  I guess people like you are who gave me the menus from Dirge of Cerberus and FFXII.

[HaemishM]

Why is shaking the nunchuck an arduous task for you?  I agree that the Wii's controller is not optimal for every game ever made, but I haven't had any problems or grief in using it for Zelda. 

Yeah, what he said. The Zelda Wiimote controls worked just fine for me. Why would you pay twice for what you knew was the same game with crippled controls? You know my address, send me the money and I'll send you insults in a DVD box for half the price.

[stray]

Someone really needs to play that DBZ game. I want to know if it's as complicated as it looks.

And please, don't comment on the DBZ cartoon. I don't care. I just want an impression of what fighting games in general could be like on the Wii. I think that I've been indoctrinated with standard gamepad/joystick controls for too long.

[HaemishM]

From what I've heard, the DBZ game is not a good indicator of what fighting games will be like on the Wii. No one I know of has given it good reviews, and I have an allergic reaction to DBZ material of all types, which has led me to avoid renting it. That and I'm enjoying Call of Duty 3 too much.

[stray]

Thanks

Forgot to ask as well:

How's that Madden game working for ya? Better or worse than previous football game experiences?

[HaemishM]

I haven't gotten Madden yet. I keep waiting for Gameznflix to get it so I can rent it before I buy it, but the fuckers haven't even listed it yet. I'll probably buy it after Christmas when I get some gift cards. I will certainly blog on it when I do.

[Jain Zar]

From what I've heard, the DBZ game is not a good indicator of what fighting games will be like on the Wii. No one I know of has given it good reviews, and I have an allergic reaction to DBZ material of all types, which has led me to avoid renting it. That and I'm enjoying Call of Duty 3 too much.

Funny but everyone on Something Awful seem to like the game a lot.  I bought it and its actually pretty fun.  My friend WHO HATES FIGHTING GAMES AND HATES ANIME loves it.
I had to explain the characters I knew to him (quit the anime before they ever fought the gay horned boss guy) a bit, but other than that its a pretty fun game.  Not very deep and totally unbalanced, but good dumb fun.

[stray]

Piccolo was cool....But I could never keep up with that show.

[edit] Damn, seems like it'll be a while until any other Fighting games will be out for the Wii.

[Jain Zar]

That's who I use.  You have player 1 and 2 colorschemes.  For Piccolo P2 scheme has his turban and cape with the pointy shoulders on it so of course thats what I use.
According to the strategy guide he is an upper tier character, but the low end of it.  Some of the GT characters can pretty much mop the floor with him.

Hell, we tried a fight between thirteen year old Gohan and Krillin and Gohan just STOMPED ASS.  Im no fighting game master and like all competitive gaming I hate the people who like it and participate it, but I am halfway good at these sorts of games.  My friend sucks and hates them.  He turned my poor Krillin into a punching bag.

Oh yeah.  According to Gamerankings and Metacritic, its got a high 70s average score so I wonder where the bad reviews are from.  (Or are people now using the Famitsu scoring system where even shitty games get 8s and anything not ranked 8.5 or above is the suck?)

[HaemishM]

I apparently was wrong. I was thinking it got reviews in the 5's (50's) and it hasn't. I must have been thinking of something else.

[KapcomS]

Barbie and Magic of Pegasus.

It's not really worth playing though (do I really have to tell you that?). It's only a better game than WoW because it really is a game. It wins by default.

Not true. For you see, I have just played and beaten Barbie and the Magic of the Pegasus. Here is a small review:

Story: Wenlock hits on you. Turns everyone to stone. Turn them not to stone, and then drop chandeliers on his head. And smite him with your wand.
Gameplay: You are a Barbie-like character. You can wear dresses. You can jump. The main gameplay mechanic here is your magic wand. Your wand can turn people from stone into not stone, and stone blocks into not stone blocks. Along the way, in each of the four worlds you pick up an additional power, enabling you to jump very high, float horizontally, freeze enemies (by turning them into moving plant platforms or stone), and melt ice. In each world there is a level with a hidden door and hidden key. Within that room is a minigame which will unlock another dress for you. They are decorative. Your sister is a pegasus. Between worlds she collects coins to give you an extra heart. What.
Enemies: Most enemies are one shot wand kills. Some enemies you have to freeze first, because they're actually people you have to then unstone. At the end of each of the four worlds (and at the last world) there is a boss battle which requires you to whore the power you gained in that world.
Difficulty: I beat this in two hours. On the hardest difficulty (normal).
Fun Factor: To be honest, you could palette swap this into a fantasy or Metroid-like game really easily. And it might suck a little less. To be honest, I kind of enjoyed the game, searching for stoned citizens, and item collection. It wasn't terrible.

Comparison to WoW:
No multiplayer. Beaten in two hours. Next to no difficulty. For all it's faults, WoW has more than four areas, has way more than two hours worth of play, and has much in the way of cooperative and competitive multiplayer gameplay. Plus, you cannot mind control a guy to jump into lava in Barbie and the Magic of the Pegasus.

You Lose! Good day sir!

[Kail]

Your sister is a pegasus.

HEY!  Spoiler alert, please!  Geez!

[Strazos]

Plus, you cannot mind control a guy to jump into lava in Barbie and the Magic of the Pegasus.

You Lose! Good day sir!

Amateur. You're supposed to MC them in mass PvP and watch the poor sap get ganked by a rabid flock of fucking floppy-eared mangina elves.

[Big Gulp]

I realize there are a lot of jaded people here (me among them, I'm subscribed to no MMO's), but I think you're all forgetting just how hooked we all got on UO, EQ, AC, or whichever flavor of game we happened upon first.  Yeah, we've all seen enough now to understand that these games boil down to essentially the same things, but most people haven't yet.  They're still stuck in that glorious, gauzy world that we used to inhabit before we started nitpicking and dissecting everything about the MMO-du jour.  Don't denigrate their choices in gaming because we've lost our sense of enchantment.  It stinks of bitterness, and it's kind of pathetic.

[Signe]

I'd play a My Little Pony MMO.  In a heartbeat!