Wii Q&A Thread

[schild]

Wiggly controls could dramatically change the game. Ammo conservation should be a lot easier, making pistol runs of harder levels more of a possibility.

Basically, you don't know enough about the game to be that much of a wiseass.

[sigil]

I spent my extra dollars this year on trips with the family  and  footing the bill for my wifes nursing school.  If that means others can feel superior about their televisions compared to me, mazel tov.

Now, the temptation go apeshit on tech goodies when she's  out in the workforce making close to my salary fresh out of school, that's going to be tough.



Roac, any news, even the release of game schedules for the Wii automatically get the Schild stamp of derision. I've made peace with that.

[schild]

I swear to god. You motherfuckers drank some Kool Aid. 2 EA games, a fucking Namco-Bandai game, a horrible spinoff, a sports title that's come too soon to be fresh, and the third in a series.

What the fuck! You motherfuckers would be on any other systems ass for this travesty.

Fucking sheep.

(Edit: Nothing personal by the way. Just saying.)

[Roac]

Basically, you don't know enough about the game to be that much of a wiseass.

I wasn't commenting on the game.

Regarding the game, I don't really care about making ammo conservation easier or the like.  Wagging to make Leon run instead of button pounding will probably save some pain, but that doesn't matter either.  Point and shoot is what is awesome, and it's what'll make this version better than the GC/PS2 versions.  However, a lot of what made RE4 good was how the game opened up as you played it, and that'll be spoiled for anyone who went through a previous version.  May not be worth a repurchase.

[schild]

Actually, some of the extra missions were super fucking hard. Point and shoot will let me beat things I hadn't previously thrashed. I'm almost tempted to buy a cheap SDTV at a yardsale just to play it "as intended."

[Roac]

Actually, some of the extra missions were super fucking hard.

Yes they were.  Doesn't mean I'm interested in seeing them become easier.

Point and shoot will let me beat things I hadn't previously thrashed.

You assume that your aim will be that steady.  Capcom had the thumbsticks nailed down really well, and you could scoot them across the screen, take your finger off, and the crosshairs would *stay* there.  Stepping around to reaim over very small distances worked well.  That doesn't translate quite the same when you're aiming by hand.  Assuming they manage the controls very well, it could still be considered better or worse (or harder/easier) depending on the player.

[sigil]

I swear to god. You motherfuckers drank some Kool Aid. 2 EA games, a fucking Namco-Bandai game, a horrible spinoff, a sports title that's come too soon to be fresh, and the third in a series.

What the fuck! You motherfuckers would be on any other systems ass for this travesty.

Fucking sheep.

(Edit: Nothing personal by the way. Just saying.)

Note: I didn't say that any of it was good. I"m surprised that metroid was coming out in August, I figured December. Iwon't be playing it because those game make me physically ill.

I merely copied a lits of games and left out the ones  that looked like complete and total ass.  I agree with your points about all of this, but it doesn't matter to me. I'm different from you.

The one bit of commentary I did make about the geometry wars wasn't even positive, just a meh. I'll play it but not at full price.

Stop being such an enormous tool.

[Yegolev]

I'm almost tempted to buy a cheap SDTV at a yardsale just to play it "as intended."

OK, that's funny.  Kinda how I have this 13" television that I use to connect my NES/SNES/Genesis to... if they still worked, that is.

[schild]

Yes they were.  Doesn't mean I'm interested in seeing them become easier.

I wasn't thinking easier so much as "I'd be better at this form of control." I don't expect them to make anything easier. Quite the opposite.

You assume that your aim will be that steady.

This is not a worry I have.

[Margalis]

I expect my aim to suck which will only add to the enjoyment.

[CmdrSlack]

I expect to actually have one by then, so hurrah!

I haven't played an RE game in a loooong time.  IIRC, it was one where you were a girl trying to find out what happened to her brother.  Perhaps I'm thinking of a different horror game, I can't recall.

[Yegolev]

I expect Resident Wiivil to be like Fake Duck Hunt (WiiPlay) with production values.  I am not bad at Fake Duck Hunt.  Hate that fucking bubble game, though.

[Margalis]

I expect to actually have one by then, so hurrah!

I haven't played an RE game in a loooong time.  IIRC, it was one where you were a girl trying to find out what happened to her brother.  Perhaps I'm thinking of a different horror game, I can't recall.

Code Veronica for Dreamcast?

I expect the aiming to be better and worse. Much faster for large movements, but less precision with small movements. So I would expect tracking to a guy to be faster but aiming for his left hand specifically to be harder.

[CmdrSlack]

I expect to actually have one by then, so hurrah!

I haven't played an RE game in a loooong time.  IIRC, it was one where you were a girl trying to find out what happened to her brother.  Perhaps I'm thinking of a different horror game, I can't recall.

Code Veronica for Dreamcast?

I expect the aiming to be better and worse. Much faster for large movements, but less precision with small movements. So I would expect tracking to a guy to be faster but aiming for his left hand specifically to be harder.

Isn't umbrella corp and beaver city or raccoon junction or whatever part of the RE series?  It was on the original PS, whichever one it was.

ETA -- Ah RE 2.  A quick wikipedia check never hurt anyone.  Claire goes to Raccoon City in search of her brother, a S.T.A.R.S. agent. 

[Big Gulp]

Stop being such an enormous tool.

He's not being a tool, he's just not being deluded.

Any other system that had such an anemic offering coming up would be rightly mocked.  Hell, the PS3's release calendar is head and shoulders above the Wii's, and they've had nowhere near that system's success.  The Wii is a novelty, pure and simple.  It was a great move by Nintendo, as it's kept them in the game and punching well above their weightclass in comparison to giants like MS and Sony, but it's still a novelty.

[sigil]

No, he was being a dick by inferring something  that wasn't stated (or even thought in this case) and going off on it.

My rationale for my Wii enjoyment was detailed earlier in the thread. I  don't think it's a world beater, but my family enjoys it. Our expectations were very specific and it delivered on that.Some people just love to pour hate. I've got no problem with that. It's just not my deal. I know, why the fuck am I here?

[schild]

Why do people think I'm pouring out hate? Look, I play more casual games than most casual hardcore gamers will see in their lifetime.

All I'm asking is for a console to validate it's existence in my entertainment center. The Wii isn't. I'm glad a shitload of people disagree. But if everyone could take off the fucking glasses that only show awesome for a moment, they'd notice the Worst Console Lineup And Release Schedule since the goddamn Jaguar. The PS3 has an OUTSTANDING Fall coming up and they would utterly dominate if not for Halo 3. Since Halo 3 is September though, I still see the PS3 taking Christmas. Will it shift more consoles than the Wii? Probably not. Expensive and such. Will it shift more software, probably. Home is only going to help.

I don't think asking one of the 3 big players to give me a reason to turn on a system after being off since 2 weeks after launch is too much... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this is their plan. Make all the money off the hardware. /shrug

[Triforcer]

Schild has his opinion and we have ours.  If it helps, picture him in your mind as such:

[CmdrSlack]

Why do people think I'm pouring out hate? Look, I play more casual games than most casual hardcore gamers will see in their lifetime.

All I'm asking is for a console to validate it's existence in my entertainment center. The Wii isn't. I'm glad a shitload of people disagree. But if everyone could take off the fucking glasses that only show awesome for a moment, they'd notice the Worst Console Lineup And Release Schedule since the goddamn Jaguar. The PS3 has an OUTSTANDING Fall coming up and they would utterly dominate if not for Halo 3. Since Halo 3 is September though, I still see the PS3 taking Christmas. Will it shift more consoles than the Wii? Probably not. Expensive and such. Will it shift more software, probably. Home is only going to help.

I don't think asking one of the 3 big players to give me a reason to turn on a system after being off since 2 weeks after launch is too much... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this is their plan. Make all the money off the hardware. /shrug

The Wii has novelty, price point and no need for an HDTV....which I'm willing to bet is a big deal for many folks.  Most of 'em just don't think about the depth of a library. 

[bhodi]

I played the wii for the first time this weekend.

Laggy, unresponsive, boring trash.

I have no idea how people are spooging over it when there is noticeable lag between their primary input device and the god damned console. Tennis and bowling can suck my left nut and boxing is totally unplayable due to the apparently random detections of your swing. You aim high left your character swings... who knows? High? Medium? Sometimes low!

The graphics are nothing special which would be perfectly OK if it wasn't the sewage icing on the shit-flavored cake.

[schild]

Bhodi, you're missing the point. People like swinging their arms around.

Obviously, this is what I've not understood until this very moment.

[Margalis]

I have no idea how people are spooging over it when there is noticeable lag between their primary input device and the god damned console. Tennis and bowling can suck my left nut and boxing is totally unplayable due to the apparently random detections of your swing. You aim high left your character swings... who knows? High? Medium? Sometimes low!

I suspect that the lag is a problem on plasma/LCD because I have a standard def TV and there is no lag.

Also before complaining about the controls you should consider getting some basic skill and learning how to play the games. None of the detection is at all random. Maybe your brain has atrophied from 15 years of pressing A to punch?

It reminds a lot of Street Fighter 2 where nobody could throw a fireball at first. The problem isn't the game - the problem is you. That is one of the funny things about Wii Sports - even though it is supposedly a casual game it takes a lot of practice and skill to control properly. The key is learning what the motions are and then learning to make them repeatably - just like real sports imagine that! Muscle memory!

[sigil]

I suspect that the lag is a problem on plasma/LCD because I have a standard def TV and there is no lag.

*snip*

...That is one of the funny things about Wii Sports - even though it is supposedly a casual game it takes a lot of practice and skill to control properly. The key is learning what the motions are and then learning to make them repeatably - just like real sports imagine that! Muscle memory!

My experience matches this.

Learning how to consistently throw a jab/hook combination in Boxing, for example, took a little bit.

[sigil]

Bhodi, you're missing the point. People like swinging their arms around.

Obviously, this is what I've not understood until this very moment.

I am so sorry my family and I like the Wii. I know that makes us  weak and miserable failures that cannot possible appreciate real quality gaming. I shall now go and sell that and go pickup a ps3 and play. . . something that looks like a prettier and larger version of the same thing I've been playing for the past twenty years and lets me play with other fucktards on the internet while showing the world  how little my epeen is by not having a whole lot of accomplishments because I don't play these things all day.

Oh wait, that's a 360 for those last couple. I'll go pick up one of those too.

You don't know why you're seen as a hate spewer?  It's because you cannot let one single thing, be it neutral or supportive be posted on this board without making some  sort of stupid remark on it. You might as well just throw up a picture or some virtual rubber stamp every time you post, just to let us know you saw it and remind everyone else how much this thing is a piece of shit. It would save you the time of having to type.


It's really, really old. I like everything else about this site, but this area is turning into cyber aids.

[Roac]

Bhodi, you're missing the point. People like swinging their arms around.

Obviously, this is what I've not understood until this very moment.

Please, keep reminding us why your thoughts are at all relevant.  We crave your useful insight.

bhodi, I agree with sigil and Margalis; I've not seen any noticable latency on my SDTV.  Lag will typically occur whenever you have to scale the signal, which happens whenever your input signal isn't a mode that's native to the HDTV.  Meaning, you probably don't have an HD that has 480p as native.  If you have a DLP set, it's far worse.  See if your TV has a "game mode" you can flip on.  Note, that all consoles will have this sort of lag except the 360 and PS3 (the PS3 also does not upscale PS1/2 games, so PS2 games played on a PS3 will suffer as well).  If you have an older HD, it's likely worse.

[schild]

You just linked to gamespots review of Odin Sphere? Really? That's your argument? Odin Sphere? Do I need to remind you that they gave your precious Zelda Twilight Princess an 8.8 while everyone else gave it a 10?

Is that the angle you want to take?

Oh, right, you're Roac.

[Roac]

Do I need to remind you that they gave your precious Zelda Twilight Princess an 8.8 while everyone else gave it a 10?

Yeah, I'd say it's about 8.8.  Certainly not a 10.  Wait, in fact, that's what I said after my first couple of hours playing it.

Twilight Princess?  Well, I've only played it for a few hours last night, but I'd say the gamespot score of 8.8 is about right.  Granted I'm only a few hours in, but it isn't registering that AHA! moment that I've gotten with other games.  It's *good*, and if you're getting a Wii you don't want to miss out.  They aren't making much use of the Wiimote features, but it's not getting in the way either.  I do wish there was voice acting - games feel amiss without it anymore, but Nintendo seems to want to avoid having ANY of their mainline characters speak (Samus, Mario, Link).  I wish they'd get over it.  The camera controls aren't where I'd want them to be.  There's nothing really wrong with them, it's just that they're not perfect.  The use of the Wiimote is decent, just not as cool as it could've been.  The story seems weaker than it should be, but again it's not bad.

Everything just feels "B"ish to me.  It's all good, but you'd expect it to be great.  If I'm dissapointed it's not because the game isn't fun (it's one of the better games out there, imo), but because I'd expect it to at least be on par with Paper Mario or Metroid Prime, if not RE4. 

[bhodi]

Well, it's my roommates' tv. I wouldn't have bought a wii. I'll ask him about it and poke around with it.

[Margalis]

A bit more about the Wii sports controls - making repeatable physical motions is not that easy, it really does take practice.

In golf, I do a whole bunch of practice swings, and then my real swing is without fail harder, every single fucking time.

In tennis I can do every backhand shot well - flat shot, slice and top spin, but my forehand is all over the place. And I know why. I short arm my swing and roll my wrist in, which gives me some bad topspin. (My forehands tend to hit the net a lot) The forehand slice is very hard for me. But again, I know why - I can't repeat the same motion consistently.

Boxing is tricky because not only do you have to get the motion down, but you have to get the timing down as well. Powe punches (that cause the screen to freeze for a second) change the timing also.

Even bowling is hard to do a repeatable motion on. Sometimes I get a lot of spin, sometimes just a little.

The key to all of these is to find a motion that works and then do it the same every time. Which is exactly how you are supposed to approach things in real sports.

[Alkiera]

My wife and I have had a fair bit of fun playing with the WiiPlay games, and discovered that her general lack of coordination and timing makes WiiSports almost unplayable, for her.  I do okay at it, for not having practiced much.  The WiiPlay games were great, though, for what they are.  Games where the instructions fit in a single sentance, but have some 'finesse' elements.  Laser Hockey, for example.  You control the puck by waving the Wiimote around...  it's very intuitive.  But learning how to regularly get the puck into the opposite goal, and keeping it out of your own, is like re-learning how to play air hockey.  The control scheme takes time to learn, which as Raph keeps saying, is Fun.  Especially if you're playing competitively with another person who is doing the same thing; you get a much more balanced play experience than if you're solo and getting owned(or owning, after you've gotten used to it) the CPU player.

Most of the WiiPlay/WiiSports games are like that, which is why they get all the attention in the press about the Wii.  I've put about 3 hours into Zelda.  I have to say I like the new control scheme over the last one I played (the N64 ones), it just seems more intuitive, and combat seems more... fluid.  The animations seem to try to match my flailing controller, rather than playing 'generic_slash_animation' every time I press 'A'.  The story has been typical cutesy Nintendo, nothing shocking there.  But it is rightfully judged as not particularly more advanced than the previous GC Zelda title, controller waving aside.

That said, I believe I purchased the right console.  The only other place I might have spent my money was on a DS, as there's a lot of RPGs and the like there that I'd play... but it lacks the social aspect.  The library of GC games I can pick up used for $18 at EBStop is also a factor;  Can catch up on a lot of the last generation stuff I missed out on, and hey, there's always the VC library, too.  The web browsing is neat, but that's pretty much on all the consoles now, right?  I had videos from YouTube on my TV earlier.  It was cool.

--
Alkiera

[Fabricated]

I got a Wii since the opportunity arose 3 days ago.

I'm not very impressed. The Wiimote responds slower than I thought it would, Wiisports is fun for 5 minutes, the Virtual Console is only good for people who haven't heard of PC emulation, the web browser while very functional is largely pointless, and the "Let's Vote" Channel is a waste of blocks.

I tried putting in 2-3 hours with WiiSports and quickly found myself wishing I just had my regular controllers back. I took WiiSports out, put RE4 in, and played my first good game on the Wii.

I would have gotten a game with my Wii but I spent 15-20 minute perusing and re-perusing the entire selection at the Gamestop I got my Wii from, and just couldn't find a single fucking thing worth buying. I'm over the Zelda series, Paper Mario didn't interest me, and everything else is shovelware or just garbage. It's a good thing the Wii is $250 because I can't imagine it selling very far past that. I wonder if the price really is the only thing that makes people ignore the shitty library.

[Yegolev]

My beef with Twilight Princess on Wii is that it is exactly like pressing A to swing your sword, except you wiggle your controller instead or pressing a button; same for the shield bash.  Repositioning myself on the sofa will make Link swing his sword around, and trying to find a Cheeto will cause him to do a spin attack.  I am not just imagining things here, either, just go through the ingame swordfighting tutorial and it specifically tells you that you have to press a direction on the thumbstick to do something other than the standard swipe.  It's not enough to make me fume, but it certainly isn't making proper use of the Wiimote.

Shooting things, on the other hand, is great on the Wiimote.  My experiences with Twilight Princess and WiiPlay tell me that the Resident Evil for Wii is either going to be very easy for me or will have to be designed such that having a good aim does not guarantee survival... which I think will make it what the kids today call "shitty".

[lovecraft]

I picked up a Wii a couple of days ago, it was an early Father's Day present.  I love the ease of play.  The last system I owned before the Wii was a PS1, so it has been a while.  Before I got the PS, I had a Sega Genesis (no joke).  I didn't even play PC games.  So I found that video games were getting too complex for me to enjoy.  I still love the RPGs, I guess because those had the least complex game play aspect, their complexity came in puzzles and memeory which I was fine with.  The action games were just getting too crazy for me with 8 buttons and more in some cases.  It just became very frustrating for me.  Now with the Wii, I think the real revolution comes in the simplicity.  In a market where all groups are comepeting for the most complex setup with the most whistles and bells, Nintendo took a step back and simplified.  I( know this post is just going to sound like me bitching because I suck at video games.  It is part that.  It is also me gleaming about how much I like my new toy.   :-D

I picked up Prince of Persia and of course, Zelda.  I am just amazed that both franchises are still existant.  I remember playing POP on the PC in 7th grade.  It was monochrome and basically sucked.  We played a lot of that and Tank Commander.  Anyway.  I was wigged out because Zelda was the First Game I played for the NES, and now here I am playing the new generation version of it on the Wii.  Very cool.  I have not gotten very far yet, but I look forward to it.  I am not OVERLY impressed with POP, but it requires more dexterity related actions, which will come with practice.  I probably should've gotten the Spider-Man game.  Ah well, maybe next month.  I don't plan on getting anything new until I have beaten Zelda.  

[Yegolev]

That is really cool, because you are exactly who the Wii was designed for.

[schild]

That is really cool, because you are exactly who the Wii was designed for.

I think I just threw up blood on my monitor.