Heroes (SPOILERS)

[Mandrel]

2) Illusion chick not fat? - man that had me too. I could have sworn she was talking about how bad she looked

Two thoughts on this recurring comment:

• Could she have the power to create permanent illusions, either in someone's mind or anything that affects her general look on the world?
  
• Was she faking being knocked out because she knew Nikki would just kick her ass all over the place based on the power of that punch?

I think more than anything they just reverted her to that form so the general public wouldn't be confused.  If someone who only watched the show saw her turn into some unrecognizable person, things would be less clear as to who it was.  IF they had previously shown her "original form", I would have been more upset.

[Reg]

If she had a medical reason for being fat or if Linderman just had amazingly good control of his healing ability perhaps he could have fixed her metabolism to get rid of the obesity problem. That would definitely explain her loyalty too.

[Lantyssa]

Or maybe a chick who loves fucking with people's heads was just fucking with people's heads.  She was a total bitch and she loved it.

It doesn't have to be a conspiracy theory.

[Zonk]

delurk==on

Reaching back to Darksign's recap -

6) Anticlimactic? - I have to say that I thought there wasnt enough action in the end to really have punch, but it wasnt a Seinfeld where it totally blew. Scale of 1 - 10 I give the episode a 7.6 with 5 being (worth waking up out of a deep sleep to watch)

I love this show, even agree with 'buying the DVDs', but I totally agree that they built up the last few episodes SO MUCH that the finale was a bit tepid for me. I really wanted to see more of a full-on confrontation between the other Heroes and Sylar. They've gone to such effort just to keep the different groups and individuals apart ...
With them all together in the plaza it seemed like a missed opportunity not to have one good-old-fashioned hero brawl.

Really looking forward to Hiro in Samurai-land.

[Venkman]

Hey Zonk. Grats on the pickup by Ziff :)

Been thinking about the Haitian and Nathan encounter: Someone said the former can turn on and off his ability. I've never seen that, but it kinda makes sense. Everyone's abilities seem to have a switch, whether they can control it (Nathan, most others) or not (Nikki/Jessica). So going with that assumption, perhaps the Haitian (does he have a name btw?) is like Peter in that he can only do one thing at a time. He maybe needed to disconn the ability worm to turn on the memory wipe. Iirc, that's what he was leaning into Nathan to do, wipe his memory.

Gotta say though, particularly with these two episodes, a whole hell of a lot more stuff makes sense now. And I like Bennett even more. The encounter with the varsity jock in the hospital was great.

As to Illusion Chick, still can't figure it. Could be like Lantyssa said: she just likes fucking with people, in a sociopathic narcissistic sorta way.

[Zonk]

Hey Zonk. Grats on the pickup by Ziff :)

Thankee, sir. /hattip
I hope it becomes something worth reading every week.

Gotta say though, particularly with these two episodes, a whole hell of a lot more stuff makes sense now. And I like Bennett even more. The encounter with the varsity jock in the hospital was great. As to Illusion Chick, still can't figure it. Could be like Lantyssa said: she just likes fucking with people, in a sociopathic narcissistic sorta way.

I watched *very* carefully when it became apparent that she might be hiding her true form, and the couch didn't seem to be adversely affected by her weight. Ie: the couch didn't bend like it would if I sat down on it. Whether this is just her doing more illusions to cover up small details, or just something that the show's creators didn't really care about is the question.

I also think it's possible that that *IS* her real form, and she just has a really terrible self-image. That would be higly ironical.

[MrHat]

Haitian's story is being revealed in the comics.

Tasty.

[Threash]

Heres a prediction for next season: Nathans mom is gonna have the illusion chick pretend shes Nathan so she can stay in power.

[Venkman]

Callisto (from X-Men 2) is coming to Heroes. Powers TBD. I hope this isn't the hero that was to be the one people voted on during the showing of the six mini-episodes this summer. That article talks about four or five new heroes being added, but she apparently is slated to be the only regular one.

[eldaec]

This has only just finished in the UK. So here are my random belated thoughts...

Whole thing was one of those shows you love for the world they create, but you often end up thinking they never quite meet its potential. I'll still have it locked into my DVR next year ofc. After watching way too much 24, lost, and other make-it-up-as-we-go-along "serials" it's great to watch something where the writers have a plan, I can't think of anything else recent where everything remains so coherent and fits together so well, aside from maybe Harry Potter.

The Sylar and Peter endings were great - and appropriately comic book, either one can come back but both are gone for a while.

What was the point of Nikki/DL again? Oh yeah, Sylar wouldn't have been momentarily distracted without them. Woo-fucking-hoo. Without the nikki storyline, the show would have had enough time available to lay out the plot and give us some more superhero pew pew along the way. As it was it had to be edited so far down that endless exposition made it feel overlong.

They need help writing dialogue, too many characters were stuck being unremittingly whiny or stupid (maybe as a result of insufficient screen time because of Nikki eating too much). And the only two characters who managed any sort of chemistry were Molly and Micah; seriously, two eight year olds get 20 seconds of shared screen time and manage to look make each other look cooler and more sympathetic than, well, everyone else. The "yeah, the adults might be angst ridden idiots, but I can make this fucking lift work and get the job done" moment was almost the best thing in the last episode. This shouldn't be allowed.

I get the heros-feeling-isolated thing, it's cool, it's a good theme, but once in a while you need to have all the main characters not run off in different directions like headless chickens without talking to each other, just so you've got something to contrast it with.

Best moment of the series was when Isaac shot Simone. Splendid.

They need to get out of New York. They either don't have the budget or don't have the skill for making a place feel like a proper city and those fucking long lenses they love using aren't helping either (I might be overstating the impact of lens choice - sci-fi channel in the UK still insists on broadcasting 4:3).

Or maybe a chick who loves fucking with people's heads was just fucking with people's heads.  She was a total bitch and she loved it.

Or maybe she isn't dead and she is still fucking with your head.


I mean, if *I* was illusion-bitch, and *I* was confronted by a suddenly empowered ninja-Nikki, feign-death-illusions would seem like a fine plan.



In reality I suspect the budget was running out. That would also explain why New York had almost no hapless citizens in the last episode....

[Velorath]

Kevin Smith writing/directing first episode of Heroes: Origins.  Also a lot of other stuff from the Heroes panel at Comic-Con.  Note that at the very last paragraph of the article, there are some spoilers.  One might miss the spoiler warning they put up if quickly skimming the article.

[HaemishM]

Kevin Smith + Heores = Kickass. 

[CmdrSlack]

Kevin Smith + Heores = Kickass. 

Or it could be Jersey Girl. With superpowers.

[Phildo]

The first time Hiro makes a dick and/or fart joke, I'm out.

[Lantyssa]

Or it could be Jersey Girl. With superpowers.

Despite the worry, that combination is TOTALLY awesome.



Edit: Not even super powers can stop the grammar snake!

[HaemishM]

Kevin Smith + Heores = Kickass. 

Or it could be Jersey Girl. With superpowers.

Meh, I liked Jersey Girl. Not up to par with the rest of his movies, but not terrible. And having read his comic work, the series is in good hands.

[Hayduke]

I think being able to enjoy this show is a superpower in its own right.  Shitty writing, slow plot development, boring action, wooden characters, I think it just goes to show what a serious case of blue balls people have for sci-fi on TV that they'll put up with this show.

[Xerapis]

I think being able to enjoy this show is a superpower in its own right.  Shitty writing, slow plot development, boring action, wooden characters, I think it just goes to show what a serious case of blue balls people have for sci-fi on TV that they'll put up with this show.

I tried to think of a tactful way to put this...

Most polite response that I could come up with was...

You are a dumbass.

[MrHat]

Apparently Sark is going to be playing a samurai on Heroes this fall.

[Dren]

I think being able to enjoy this show is a superpower in its own right.  Shitty writing, slow plot development, boring action, wooden characters, I think it just goes to show what a serious case of blue balls people have for sci-fi on TV that they'll put up with this show.

I tried to think of a tactful way to put this...

Most polite response that I could come up with was...

You are a dumbass.

He's trollicious!

[Merusk]

Hay

Look over here

The site's designed to have a 5-part streaming series on Kensei - as he relates to Heroes.  The 'stories' shown will be 4 minute versions as they "were told to Hiro as a child by his father, the powerful Kaito Nakamura (George Takei)."

In an odd twist, that may have been Takei we saw at the end of the season last year, but he's not playing Kensei.

When Heroes returns Sept. 24, Kensei will be played by former Alias star David Anders, who, last time we checked, was still Caucasian. But this is not some politically incorrect casting mess. "I promise you'll get the scoop behind this in the season premiere," says Kring. "We're going to reveal why — contrary to legend — Kensei is not Japanese."

[schild]

Hay

Look over here

The site's designed to have a 5-part streaming series on Kensei - as he relates to Heroes.  The 'stories' shown will be 4 minute versions as they "were told to Hiro as a child by his father, the powerful Kaito Nakamura (George Takei)."

In an odd twist, that may have been Takei we saw at the end of the season last year, but he's not playing Kensei.

When Heroes returns Sept. 24, Kensei will be played by former Alias star David Anders, who, last time we checked, was still Caucasian. But this is not some politically incorrect casting mess. "I promise you'll get the scoop behind this in the season premiere," says Kring. "We're going to reveal why — contrary to legend — Kensei is not Japanese."

Should there be a rule that you don't post massive fucking spoilers until at least ONE PERSON has actually seen the episode?

[HaemishM]

The thread title DOES have spoilers in the subject line.

[Velorath]

The thread title DOES have spoilers in the subject line.

I think his point though is that one generally doesn't expect spoilers for stuff that hasn't aired yet.  Typically, you'd only have to stay away from this thread until you've watched the most recent episode

[Merusk]

So.. an actor is a spoiler now? Just trying to keep score so we don't spoil the next Batman or anything.

[schild]

An actor isn't a spoiler. For example and obviously fake, Vin Diesel is in Heroes now since his career as a film star tanked to hell.

An actor's role and how that changes all of our assumptions about LAST YEARS SEASON FINALE is a fucking spoiler though.

Edit: Anything more than X is in Heroes, is a spoiler. Think about it. It's a series where Identity means EVERYTHING.

[Venkman]

Hence the word "SPOILERS" in the thread title.  :-D

(shoot Haemish first ;) )

[schild]

Christ. I know it says spoilers in the title. Wiseasses. But I suppose my problem is this is a completely different kind of spoiler. This is more akin to "Snape Kills Dumbledore" than it is "OH MAN, WASN'T LAST NIGHT'S HEROES AWESOME? CAN YOU BELIEVE XXX?"

This isn't YTMND. Just saying.

To be fair, I blame the people who gave stuff away as much as I blame Merusk.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Christ. I know it says spoilers in the title. Wiseasses. But I suppose my problem is this is a completely different kind of spoiler. This is more akin to "Snape Kills Dumbledore" than it is "OH MAN, WASN'T LAST NIGHT'S HEROES AWESOME? CAN YOU BELIEVE XXX?"

This isn't YTMND. Just saying.

To be fair, I blame the people who gave stuff away as much as I blame Merusk.

It's part of a worldwide press release by the studio, that's not a spoiler.  We, the fans thought kensai's identity would be a big deal(at least the actor) and it is obviously not.  You cannot give any weight to this because there is none other than the hope of a fanbase for who and what that character would be. 

This is not snape kills dumbledore, this is someone saying "no, venom really will be in siderman 3"  That's not a spoiler, that's a press release.

[Roac]

Christ. I know it says spoilers in the title. Wiseasses. But I suppose my problem is this is a completely different kind of spoiler. This is more akin to "Snape Kills Dumbledore" than it is "OH MAN, WASN'T LAST NIGHT'S HEROES AWESOME? CAN YOU BELIEVE XXX?"

Your argument against posting the wrong kind of spoiler is well illustrated by posting the wrong kind of spoiler.

[schild]

This is not snape kills dumbledore, this is someone saying "no, venom really will be in siderman 3"  That's not a spoiler, that's a press release.

If you're telling me that Kensei being a white man and not being Takei and his power being Immortality would not have been a shock to the fans, then you're f'ing crazy.

It would have been completely and totally shocking.

And they'd have had some explaining to do.

[Venkman]

The white man part is a shocker, but the immortality thing was I thought largely speculated to death already. At least, it wasn't a shocker to me.

It's a spoiler from a press release. So everyone's right. And wrong. 

[Velorath]

The white man part is a shocker, but the immortality thing was I thought largely speculated to death already. At least, it wasn't a shocker to me.

It's a spoiler from a press release. So everyone's right. And wrong. 

They tend to give a lot away in press releases and interviews (the column on comicbookresources.com that they post before each new episode in particular gives out a lot of hints and background info).  The best way to handled posting that stuff would seem to be just posting the link and giving a spoiler warning.  I like reading all that stuff, but I could see how some would rather avoid it.

[schild]

Dq, speculation isn't the same as a writer JUST SAYING IT.

[Venkman]

Just finished reading up through Chapter 50. If you're reading this, haven't read them, and don't want spoilers, stop now. There's not much here anyway :)

Chapters 47 and 48 deal primarily with Ando and Hiro's sister. A few times something happened that I never noticed in the show. Ando seems to have incredible luck.

Now normally I'd write this off as a plot device. But I feel like this show and lore only show stuff they absolutely plan to. So, could Ando actually have a power and could that be luck?