Heroes (SPOILERS)

[Margalis]

I don't watch Heroes. What is with the Holy Diver post?

[sigil]

Err,our favorite head cracker  isn't dead ... the whole trail of blood leading to the sewer.

Who said he was?

Snakecharmer did. . .

[Merusk]

I don't watch Heroes. What is with the Holy Diver post?

One page before it we were discussing training montages.  Dio was suggested for the soundtrack to the proposed montage.

[MrHat]

lol, internet ate my post.

the short:

Peter can't handle more than 1 power at a time, hence no flying while glowing, and losing control w/ all the new peeps around + Sylar.

Sylar can see the future now and knew what would happen and knew he has to get stabbed so that Peter gets all glowy.  His prophecy didnt account for Nathan switching sides and Nikki et al. showing up.

WTF is up w/ Illusion chick not being fat?

[Dren]

WTF is up w/ Illusion chick not being fat?

Yeah, I really expected there to be a completely different person laying there, one that is not attractive at all.  It would have gone along with her previous conversations anyway.

Nice episode.  Boo Sylar even though I knew he'd survive based on some information I had heard about next season.

My prediction on the new even bigger baddy?  His power is to reflect other hero's powers.  That, or he's just like Peter, only evil.  Look for an interesting matchup to Sylar at some point.

Shaft being a fortune teller through dreams, etc. goes along with my theory of how the elder heros knew about the bomb before anyone.  Although, I did hear his comment on invisibility, so that one is touch and go.  Peter got that dreamwalking power from somebody, and the old man makes the most sense so far.  Especially now that we know he can see people dreamwalking and talk to them.  I suppose dreamwalking could come along with the whole empath power, but that hasn't been made perfectly clear yet.

Peter will be back.  Sylar will be back.  Nathan may be back if Peter ever picked up Linderman's power at some point.  I'm trying, but I can't remember him ever being around him.  Was he ever?

[Evil Elvis]

Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of the episode.  It seems that Sylar should have know what was coming, but I don't know why he would let himself get stabbed... unless he knew he would somehow live through it.

I don't know what his vision as he died was supposed to signify either.  I thought at first maybe it meant that the future was being changed, but I don't know.

At first, I thought maybe the new "boogeyman" dragged Sylar into the sewers.  It doesn't seem like the type of place Sylar would go; he sees himself above everyone as as a demi-god, not someone who would lower himself to hiding in human waste.  But maybe he slinked off on his own.

[schild]

I love shows that end so anticlimactically that the wait for next season doesn't matter. I think they spent more money on the kensai shit at the end than they did the whole episode.

What a fucking downer.

[Signe]

I really like this series and thought the last episode was great.  I didn't expect the ending but, then, I'm not especially good at predicting where story lines go.  Lost taught me they can go anywhere. 

[CmdrSlack]

Not Shaft.  Morpheus.

Uh, that was Richard Roundtree.  He played Shaft, not Morpheus.  IMDB.

[CmdrSlack]

Err,our favorite head cracker  isn't dead ... the whole trail of blood leading to the sewer.

Who said he was?

Snakecharmer did. . .

Reading skills FTL.  Of course, if you'd used the handy quote feature.... :p

[tazelbain]

I want Sylar and Peter to be dead.

[Threash]

Not to take anything away from Haemish but i think a lot of people, me included, had already considered the "Nathan flies Peter out of orbit and saves New York" ending and dismissed it as too fucking obvious for them to use it.  Its pretty dissapointing that its exactly what ended up happening.  The rest of the episode was pretty cool though, althought im not sure how i feel about DL surviving since i thought his death was perfect on the last episode.  Nice setup for the next baddy, and i want to see a lot of Hiro in the past.  BTW was that Sulu as Kensei? i could have sworn it was his eyes.

[Samwise]

Not Shaft.  Morpheus.

Uh, that was Richard Roundtree.  He played Shaft, not Morpheus.  IMDB.

Heh, I didn't even get that.  I just thought Morpheus was the perfect superhero name for a cryptic paternal black guy who lives in dreams.

[sigil]

Err,our favorite head cracker  isn't dead ... the whole trail of blood leading to the sewer.

Who said he was?

Snakecharmer did. . .

Reading skills FTL.  Of course, if you'd used the handy quote feature.... :p

Early morning  just rolled out of bed and waiting for the coffee FTL on my part.

[Mazakiel]

On Takei being Kensei: 

That was my first thought when I saw him, and having seen some stills this morning, I'm leaning towards 'yes' on that. 


While overall, I liked the episode alot, even the Nathan/Peter part, even though it was no surprise, (I mean, it was pretty much shown to go down that way in Peter's dreams, even some of the lines were the same) but I'd hoped there was a little more...oomph to the Peter/Sylar showdown.  Yeah, him smacking Sylar around with Jessica's strength was cool, but I would have liked to see more from him then just that and getting force choked by Darth Sylar. 

As to Sylar and the visions thing, I think what they were trying to show with the cycling thing in his eyes when he was in Isaac's place, and then as he lay bleeding, is that someone who controls the power fully can actually cycle through possible futures before seizing on one to paint.  The first one, or first few, are probably the most likely to occur of future scenarios, hence Isaac painting the bomb, or nothing but his death.  The way it showed various scenes before focusing on Sylar laying there bleeding indicated to me that what happened was one of the least likely ways for the events in Kirby square to play out.  That's my two cents, at least. 

[CmdrSlack]

Not Shaft.  Morpheus.

Uh, that was Richard Roundtree.  He played Shaft, not Morpheus.  IMDB.

Heh, I didn't even get that.  I just thought Morpheus was the perfect superhero name for a cryptic paternal black guy who lives in dreams.

I saw his name in the opening credits....apparently I missed the very few first episodes, because I didn't recall ever seeing him before.

[schild]

Yes, you missed like, the first 6 episodes.

[Bunk]

As to illusion chick - her conversations regarding Linderman gave me more of an impression that Linderman healed her of something "ugly", thus her blind devotion to him.

I'm asuming that Kensei was Takei, as he was in the opening credits for the epsidoe, and I don't remember seeing him anywhere else that episode.

I also like the explanation that Sylar let Hiro stab him, to fufill the vision of Nathan exploding.

[Threash]

Not Shaft.  Morpheus.

Uh, that was Richard Roundtree.  He played Shaft, not Morpheus.  IMDB.

Heh, I didn't even get that.  I just thought Morpheus was the perfect superhero name for a cryptic paternal black guy who lives in dreams.

I saw his name in the opening credits....apparently I missed the very few first episodes, because I didn't recall ever seeing him before.

I believe he was only on the first episode, and in a coma most of the time.  He was the guy Peter took care off, father of the painters GF.

[Venkman]

Peter can't handle more than 1 power at a time, hence no flying while glowing, and losing control w/ all the new peeps around + Sylar

Interesting. Never thought of that, and it makes a whole lotta sense. I've never seen him do more than one thing at a time. Even future-Peter first used telekinesis then froze time then teleported out of there when rescuring future-Hiro. Has this been substantiated or is it theory?

I'm trying, but I can't remember him ever being around him. Was he ever?

Someone somewhere in here talked about Peter being able to pick up powers even if not in proximity. At first I wasn't sure. But given the speech Charles gave about compassion/love, and Peter previously yelling at his old whino-trainer that he needs to use love to invoke the power, not hate, I'm thinking maybe it is true. If Peter can think of someone, or maybe just talk to them over the phone, maybe he can absorb that power.

[Venkman]

Oh, and what did you all think of Bennett's first name? Is it "Noah" or does he just want to be called Noah? I'm thinking of future Bennett here, and his "ark" of facilitating the safety of non-dangerous mutants, but I also wonder if I'm looking for depth where there isn't any.

[schild]

I thought the Noah bit was the second best part of the episode behind Roundtree.

[CmdrSlack]

Oh, and what did you all think of Bennett's first name? Is it "Noah" or does he just want to be called Noah? I'm thinking of future Bennett here, and his "ark" of facilitating the safety of non-dangerous mutants, but I also wonder if I'm looking for depth where there isn't any.

I got the same thing from that.  It's a show about comic-booky style heroes....so some heavy-handed allegory is pretty much par for the course.

[Dren]

BTW was that Sulu as Kensei? i could have sworn it was his eyes.

That's my guess.  My theory on that is that his power is living forever.  I'm guessing he'll turn out to be the chronicler type that is trying to guide the whole mutant process throughout history.  He'll be the ultimate good hero as opposed to that other "worse than the boogey man" guy.  He might even turn out to be that "dragon" in the stories.  Pretty wild guess at this point.  :-D

[HaemishM]

First off, Peter is NOT dead. They've taken great pains to show he can regenerate from anything other than a poke to the brain stem. Ted was able to use his powers without ever hurting himself, including blowing up Claire's house. Claire withstood Ted's powers before. Peter will be fine. But, think back. Peter faints in this episode and has a dream. When did he do that before? Right after he first met Sylar and absorbed Claire's and Sylar's powers. He got overloaded, which is why he started to lose it during the fight with Sylar. He not only has gotten Ted's and Parkman's powers in the last day, he also got Nikki/Jessica's, Michah's, DL's and presumably Molly Walker, who all showed up in the plaza as he was fighting Sylar. All that juice hitting him when he's stressed and focused on Sylar? That's going to throw him off his game.

Nathan MAY be dead, but as a comic geek, I can think of at least 2 or 3 ways Nathan could have survived without stretched believability. The whole time during the show I was thinking, "Come on, Nathan, grow some sack. You CAN be a good guy." And he did. If he is dead, it was a great way to go out, whether it made logical sense or not.

Sylar's not dead. You don't show the blood trail into the sewers and the scurrying cockroach for a dead character. Remember, cockroaches can survive nuclear explosions, and Sylar is very much of a cockroach-like hide in the shadows type of villain.

When Molly first talked about the other bad guy who sees her when she thinks of him, my first thought was "Shadow King" from the X-Men books. And I got all tingly. I also dug that Mr. Bennett's name was Noah. If that wasn't a hint to his future, I don't know what is.

[Hutch]

He not only has gotten Ted's and Parkman's powers in the last day, he also got Nikki/Jessica's, Michah's, DL's and presumably Molly Walker, who all showed up in the plaza as he was fighting Sylar.

Just to pick a nit, he's had Parkman's power since Midland. They were in the same room together, and even had a little telepathy-feedback moment where they were interfering with each others' mind reading, or something along those lines.

I'd like to know when he picked up the power to project his thoughts to someone else's brain. Can Parkman do that? Or was Peter's "go back to your family" line to Niki spoken aloud? I could have sworn that his mouth didn't move during that line.

[SnakeCharmer]

I still think Sylar is 90 percent dead.  He's just not a good villian, and surveys and audience testing will probably determine his fate more than anything else.  As far as the blood leading to the sewer, I look at it that it *could* have been his means of escape, but in my overly realistic mind (heh), it was just gravity leading it to the drain.  I look at it and my mind says the concrete was laid down as to allow good drainage :P  Yeah, the cockroach thing alludes to survival, but again I look at it as an opening for them to bring him back next season if polling and such dictate it.

HRG's real name, Noah, was bad ass.  Love it.  Prophetic indeed.

The little girl playing Molly is a good little actress.  The line where she says "he can see me" was delivered absolutely perfectly.

And that had to have been Hiro's father at the end.  Everlasting life?  Reincarnation?

Question about Nathan sacrificing himself for the greater good for political spin (if he is in fact NOT dead):

Why would he do that when noone but the Heroes and Villians knew what was going to happen (NY going boom)? 

[Reg]

OK. I'm stupid. What is HRG guys name being "Noah" supposed to mean?

[SnakeCharmer]

OK. I'm stupid. What is HRG guys name being "Noah" supposed to mean?

Noah's Ark --> Saving all of God's (or whomever, depending on your point of view) creatures from the flood

Noah's "Ark" his plan for hiding of the Heroes from evil people.

[sigil]

I still think Sylar is 90 percent dead.  He's just not a good villian, and surveys and audience testing will probably determine his fate more than anything else.  As far as the blood leading to the sewer, I look at it that it *could* have been his means of escape, but in my overly realistic mind (heh), it was just gravity leading it to the drain.  I look at it and my mind says the concrete was laid down as to allow good drainage :P  Yeah, the cockroach thing alludes to survival, but again I look at it as an opening for them to bring him back next season if polling and such dictate it.

That's not drainage. Now I could go with something else dragged him, but it didn't flow like that.

[Threash]

We know Peter can survive the explosion, he was alive after exploding himself in the five years later episode.  Can he survive a fall from that high? can he survive BEING that high in the first place?  Honestly it could go either way, probably depending on what the public wants.  If he does survive though he still has Teds power, which could get annoying real fast if he gets into anymore "omg im gonna explode" situations.  I hope they leave him out of season 2, he was too powerfull already and he would just become harder and harder to write about the more powers he accumulates.

[Xerapis]

I thought it was awesome, except for that annoying blood leading to manhole part.  That made me stabby.

And yeah, the "You look bad ass" line actually made me chortle with unadulterated glee.  Much happy.  I love the open honest friendship between Hiro and Ando.  For me, it's a HUGE part of making the show great.

Honestly, I have no problem with Nathan dying.  And I hope Linderman stays dead.  And I really don't want to see Sylar again.  Let's move on to the REAL big bad villain ^^

Oh, and what's with still not knowing Mom's power?  That was the one glaring not-cleared-up-thing for me.

Good father-daughter rapport between Noah and Claire, too.  Loved the part where he handed her the gun, following in her father's footsteps in a good way.

That was definitely Sulu in the past.  The eyes are unmistakeable.  Big gay samurai ~_^

Was it just me, or have Nikki/Jessica made a final merge between them?

[tazelbain]

I think it more of a thing where Jessica and Nikki have accepted that they need each other.

[Merusk]

Yeah, it was definitely Takei in the armor. Pretty kickass, and I like the idea of a 'chronicler'.   Perhaps he'd had Hiro assigned to him rather than being his actual father.  Who knows at this point.

The graphic novel took an interesting turn with Hannah's story, too.  I had a problem with her kicking a fucking satellite out of orbit, but w/e.

[CmdrSlack]

I had a problem with her kicking a fucking satellite out of orbit, but w/e.

I guess it's pseudo-sciency enough though.  If someone remembers Newton's laws (poorly) and knows that satellites are pretty precisely placed to keep from falling back into the atmosphere, I guess it's buyable.  When you have a dude who time travels and another who can "explode" but not really explode, anything's doable.