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Reply #665 on: May 17, 2007, 09:12:25 AM

HOLY DIVER!!! YOU BEEN DOWN TOO LONG

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Reply #666 on: May 17, 2007, 09:24:09 AM

I'm missing something but I have no idea what it is, and I'm going to feel like a grade a idiot (moreso than usual) when I realize what it is.
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Reply #667 on: May 17, 2007, 11:10:12 AM

lol Haem.

I've been on a Classic Rock kick for the last month or so and whenever Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper" comes on, I swear I hear cowbells EXACTLY like they are in that skit.

And I laugh, to myself.
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Reply #668 on: May 17, 2007, 12:32:40 PM

Just  google it  and hopefully things will clear up for you.
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Reply #669 on: May 18, 2007, 11:53:24 PM

For those interested the details of the Season 1 DVD set were announced today:

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On August 28, 2007, Universal Studios Home Entertainment will release Heroes: Season 1 on DVD and HD DVD. The set features a complete collection of Season One episodes as well as an expansive slate of bonus materials and extras. While the final price for the HD DVD set isn't announced, the standard-definition DVD set will be available for the MSRP (Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price) of $59.98.

The seven-disc DVD set will feature the following extras:



Unaired Pilot: The Tim Kring Cut with Audio Commentary - A full 73 uninterrupted minutes of the original, unaired, extended pilot episode, as Heroes' creator Tim Kring first envisioned it, with a character never seen.

The Making of Heroes - From concept to pop culture phenomenon, a behind-the-scenes look at the hottest new series on television

Special Effects - The secrets behind the eye-popping visuals that give the Heroes their amazing powers.

The Stunts - A back stage look at the show's hair-raising stunts.

Mind Reader - Matt Parkman's mind reading abilities reveal your inner Hero with a series of simple tests.

Profile of Artist Tim Sale - A look at the Eisner Award-winning comic book artist (Spiderman, Batman, Daredevil) behind much of the Manga-influenced artwork used in the show.

The Score - Go behind the scenes with Wendy Melvin and Lisa Coleman (of Prince's The Revolution) as they create their ASCAP Award-winning musical score.

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Reply #670 on: May 19, 2007, 08:45:40 AM

They aren't including a hardcopy of the comics?  Dangit.
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Reply #671 on: May 19, 2007, 02:41:40 PM

Has Peter demonstrated the ability to use someone's power who later died?  I was thinking about how Peter and Sylar are similar and different.  Sylar requires someone to die to gain a power.  Peter controls his new ones through empathy.  It would have a serious reprecussion as Peter can only be as powerful as the surviving heroes.

That I can think of, the only people's power he has gained but are now dead are Isaac and Ted.  Monday's show will likely answer this, but I'm curious if perhaps I forgot an instance that would discredit this possibility.

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Reply #672 on: May 19, 2007, 05:58:18 PM

Has Peter demonstrated the ability to use someone's power who later died?
Peter's a complete badass in "Five Years Gone" with all sorts of powers from people who've been killed by Homeland Security or Sylar. That would seem to imply he can use the powers indefinitely once he's absorbed them.
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Reply #673 on: May 19, 2007, 06:57:40 PM

I couldn't remember him using any from confirmed dead heroes in the future though.

Ted's status was unknown, and Sylar didn't exhibit fire powers.  We didn't see Peter regenerate although we did see Claire die.  Only Sylar used DL's power who we knew was supposedly dead.  Hiro died from Parkman and though the Haitian was taken care of, Peter didn't do any time tricks we could see, nor did he use the Haitian's powers to zap Sylar.  Who's powers did we see him use that we knew for sure was dead in the future?

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Reply #674 on: May 19, 2007, 08:27:24 PM

Peter didn't start having the prophetic dreams until after Simones dad died.

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Reply #675 on: May 19, 2007, 11:38:26 PM

I believe we saw him drawing scenes of a blasted New York, after Sylar had gnoshed on Isaac's brain. 

I think that they don't need to be alive, he just needs to call on the memories/emotions of whoever has the power to sort of remind his body/brain how to do the power, and that likely as time goes on and he learns to use the individual power, it becomes more and more of an instinctual response to call on a power.  Or he only has to do it once to call on the power when he's not around them, and after that, he can call on them just the same as Sylar seems to be able to do.  The downside of the way Peter's power works is that he has to know of a power he's been exposed to, to be able to call on it.  There's lots of powers we know Sylar has that Peter seems to have no clue about.
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Reply #676 on: May 20, 2007, 12:55:53 AM

I'm pretty sure Peter did some future-drawing in earlier episodes too.  What I wonder is if he can only absorb someone's power if they actively use it in his presence.  Otherwise, why isn't his hearing as good as Sylar's now?  And he'd definitely make use of Hiro's power if he had it.

Didn't he negate the Haitian's power earlier, too?  It's been a long time since I saw them, but I remember something about the Haitian's power being canceled out.
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Reply #677 on: May 20, 2007, 02:45:13 AM

I'm pretty sure Peter did some future-drawing in earlier episodes too.  What I wonder is if he can only absorb someone's power if they actively use it in his presence.  Otherwise, why isn't his hearing as good as Sylar's now?  And he'd definitely make use of Hiro's power if he had it.

Supposedly (as in according to the writers), he can absorb powers even if they aren't used in his presence.  While they don't go into a lot of specifics, they did mention the fact that if he learned at some point about Eden's power, he might be able to use it (having met her briefly).  As far as him absorbing more of Sylar's powers, maybe it's harder for him to do without them being used in front of him due to the fact that he doesn't know the people the powers originally belonged to (might throw off his empathic ability a little).  More likely though it's due to the writers not wanting to make Peter too powerful too quickly.
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Reply #678 on: May 20, 2007, 06:28:15 AM

I think the season finale will be the clincher on this discussion actually. If Peter can absorb people's powers, in theory he can absorb everything Sylar can do too. Someone correct me, but I don't think Peter had telekinesis until Sylar tried to eat his brain.

Back to Lantyssa's question: Peter was drawing a picture of the future (which he showed to Claire to convince her to shoot him) after Isaac was killed by Sylar. Not sure this and all the badassery is real "proof" per se though. It'd be an interesting plot device if he couldn't in any case.
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Reply #679 on: May 20, 2007, 08:06:49 AM

I forgot about the drawing.  (Only vaguely remember it even with the prompting.)

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Reply #680 on: May 20, 2007, 10:43:24 AM

There was a marathon yesterday on sci-fi, and I had it on pretty much the whole day while my folks had the kids. Ask me anything :) (just kidding. My memory largely sucks)
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Reply #681 on: May 20, 2007, 06:39:41 PM

Maybe the Haitian enjoys playing with you. :-D

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Reply #682 on: May 20, 2007, 06:44:41 PM

Maybe the Haitian enjoys playing with you. :-D

The who?

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Reply #683 on: May 20, 2007, 07:05:34 PM

You almost trapped me with that one ;)
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Reply #684 on: May 20, 2007, 08:17:09 PM

You almost trapped me with that one ;)

And by replying in such a manner you have foiled my evil plan and ensured that now nobody will be trapped.

Curses.

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Reply #685 on: May 21, 2007, 08:23:06 AM

You almost trapped me with that one ;)

And by replying in such a manner you have foiled my evil plan and ensured that now nobody will be trapped.

Curses.

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Reply #686 on: May 21, 2007, 06:57:51 PM

Heh.

Bastard, you called that one.

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Reply #687 on: May 21, 2007, 07:05:56 PM

Pretty awesome except the Sylar thing.

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Reply #688 on: May 21, 2007, 07:09:45 PM

The only real pisser is that I'm guessing "Generations" will basically be Hiro travelling through time and seeing past heroes doing their thing. 

I'm sure it'll be cool, but dammit, I want resolution to the new threads that have been opened.  Patience is NOT one of my virtues.

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Reply #689 on: May 21, 2007, 07:19:00 PM

Nathan is going to go against his mother and the Linderman group. They've pretty much been setting him up to do just that, and he'll do it because of Peter. I can see Nathan taking the bomb guy into orbit, killing himself and the bomb guy.

I'd just like to say...

I CALLED IT!

Frickin' awesome. Just awesome. The kind of ending that had me screaming YES!! Hiro in Feudal Japan. Kick ass.

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Reply #690 on: May 21, 2007, 07:24:05 PM

Good call, Haem.  Damn good call.

But...

Are you kidding me?!?!?!!

That's IT?  That measly little death scene?

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Peter and Nathan dead? 

Fuck. 
That. 

Nathan?  I wouldn't mind seeing him dead.  Up until this episode, I didn't like him anyway.  But Peter?  Screw that.  Screw that with a fucking jackhammer.   Regeneration or not, Peter isn't coming back from that one.   Sylar deserved a better death.  A bigger fight scene.  Something.  Anything other than getting slapped around by Peter and Nicki/Jessica, then stabbed by Hiro.  Peter was doing fine with his powers then lost it for no real reason.  He was calm whilst beating the shit out Sylar.  What possible good is that both Peter and Nathan bite it? 

OK.  Here's the thing:  Why couldn't Peter fly his own ass up to the edges of the atmosphere?  Why couldn't he take his nuclear self to the middle of the desert?  The Salt Flats?

They DO have a semi-out....

Nathan takes Peter way up high, Peter says I can handle it from here, Nathan zooms away.  However, Nathan has still been exposed to high levels of radiation, and unless he has some of Claires regen ability, he's going to die for radiation poisoning.  Peter goes nuclear, but doesn't explode per se, just emits a huge burst similar to an explosion but his body (most importantly his brain) is intact.  Peter lives.  Nathan dies.  Or Linderman is actually alive after all this and heals Nathan.

Bah, just a total let down.

Maybe I expected too much.
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Reply #691 on: May 21, 2007, 07:45:20 PM

I still have a problem as to why exactly Peter lost it at all.  I jus' don' get it.  Maybe they'll explain better in the comic or something, but damn.

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Reply #692 on: May 21, 2007, 07:49:33 PM

IMO, Peter lost it because even though Shaft gave him a pep talk, he's still not 100% sure of himself.  He's had control issues with his powers for the whole season, so I can see how he'd have an issue with controlling his powers even after delivering an ass-beating to Sylar.  If we think about the timing of the past few episodes, he's recently absorbed Ted's power and Nikki/Jessica's power.  Perhaps he also grabbed the power of Micah or DL, it's really unclear how close he has to be to someone to absorb powers.  Maybe absorbing those powers contributed to it.

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Reply #693 on: May 21, 2007, 07:57:29 PM

Err,our favorite head cracker  isn't dead ... the whole trail of blood leading to the sewer.


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Peter's not dead either, nothing to go on for that one except belief.
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Reply #694 on: May 21, 2007, 08:03:47 PM

Peter's not dead, they've gone out of their way to point out he can't die due to going boom, supposedly because of Claire, but I think even without, he'd be fine.  While, yeah, the fall could kill him, I don't think they'll do that.  Peter will be back.  Nathan though...who knows. 
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Reply #695 on: May 21, 2007, 08:13:53 PM

Awesome episode from a resolution standpoint, but I liked last week's slightly more.

Peter will need to be back. He's the only one who can tank the boss. Nikki/Jessica smacking around Sylar though, that was fun, as was the bit with Hiro. I can see Peter losing it because he's just got too many powers. And I can see him not being able to fly himself out because he's using all he's got to keep himself from going nuke.

Nathan I can see living. I could also see him spinning it to some political advantage. Nobody but the mutants saw him do anything, but there could be good to come of it anyway. It would be interesting to see him use the power of love/hope whatever to do political good, set up an interesting dynamic with the Mom, who's still got some power we don't know about.

Hiro jumping through the next six mini-episodes to pick a new hero to add to the show, that'd be fun. Not sure if that's how they REALLY will present those mini-episodes, but just sayin'.

Sylar not being dead sucks, but as I think we all realize, unless you're name is GL, you don't kill the really awesome bad guy too early on. Not sure how he thought he'd live through the explosion either. Someone mentioned he's got some crazy resiliency check, so being not dead is slightly believable. What was the deal with the cockroach though? That had to mean something. They don't just put stuff in this show like that thing, particularly when the rest of that whole plaza was incredibly clean.

What I did like though was the foreshadowing of the really bad guy, the one to which Molly Walker referred as the one "who can see me". Nothing scarier than kids being calm about being really freaked out. Maybe the real puppetmaster behind the Linderman quartet? Mrs. Petrelli?

Oh, and I didn't get the whole flashback thing with Peter and the pep-talk dude. I must have missed an episode. When did that occur? Must have been early on.
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Reply #696 on: May 21, 2007, 08:41:12 PM

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Err,our favorite head cracker  isn't dead ... the whole trail of blood leading to the sewer.

Who said he was?

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Oh, and I didn't get the whole flashback thing with Peter and the pep-talk dude. I must have missed an episode. When did that occur? Must have been early on.

It wasn't really a flashback, but that was Simone's father, the man that Peter was caring for before things got strange.  It was while he was caring for him/after he died that he started having his dreams.  It seems to me that Shaft must have a power that just hasn't been defined (he even says, "Does it matter?").  My guess is that his power is something along the lines of communicating with people via dreams or whatever.

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Reply #697 on: May 21, 2007, 08:46:39 PM

Charles said something to the effect of "Invisibility.  That'd have been a nice one to have."  I think Charles was an empath, just like Peter.  Also, something to note is that Charles in that scene referenced something he told Peter in that dream right before he died.  Which, chronologically speaking, happens AFTER the time period where Peter is talking to him.  I found their short discussion one of the more interesting parts of the finale.  I'm hoping we get to see more of Charles next season.
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Reply #698 on: May 21, 2007, 11:16:57 PM

Not Shaft.  Morpheus.
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Reply #699 on: May 21, 2007, 11:23:30 PM

It was honestly pretty lame, with the main exception of:

"Hiro wait!"

"Yeah?"

"You look bad ass."

I was sure that there was going to be this huge super-throwdown at the end with powers going all over the place, and people getting ripped apart by Sylar, but I guess they already killed off all the disposable characters before the final episode :/

The Hiro in ancient Japan thing was kind of cool though.

Edit: I just noticed I said "Final Episode". I guess the story arc of this first season has me a little bit forgetting that it's a tv show, and it'll be back next year. Perhaps the finale won't seem so lame when new episodes continue the plot lines of those characters.
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