Heroes (SPOILERS)

[CmdrSlack]

Well that was a rather slow episode.  At least now it seems that all of the pieces are in place.  I also like the stuff with Sylar and his mom -- it gives a bit of insight into his particular brand of crazy/evil.

[Nevermore]

It also finally ties back to some of the very early episodes with Mohinder and Eden before we ever actually see Sylar.  There's the message on Chandra's answering machine where Sylar talks about how he can't control 'the hunger' and how he didn't want to do what he was doing.  Then they find that room at Sylar's apartment with 'I have sinned' and 'Forgive Me' scrawled all over the walls.  For a long time it seemed like the writers had abandoned that part of Sylar's personality. It was nice to see them pick up and explore that facet of his character again.  It makes him a much more interesting character instead of the mostly one-dimensional killing automation he's been for most of the time we've seen him.

[|3o3dha]

It also finally ties back to some of the very early episodes with Mohinder and Eden before we ever actually see Sylar.  There's the message on Chandra's answering machine where Sylar talks about how he can't control 'the hunger' and how he didn't want to do what he was doing.  Then they find that room at Sylar's apartment with 'I have sinned' and 'Forgive Me' scrawled all over the walls.  For a long time it seemed like the writers had abandoned that part of Sylar's personality. It was nice to see them pick up and explore that facet of his character again.  It makes him a much more interesting character instead of the mostly one-dimensional killing automation he's been for most of the time we've seen him.

Was I the only one who found the whole Sylar plotline awfully excecuted? This episode contained some of the worst (Sylar)  scenes in the whole series.

[NiX]

Was I the only one who found the whole Sylar plotline awfully excecuted? This episode contained some of the worst (Sylar)  scenes in the whole series.

Can you explain why? I agree entirely with Nevermore. It brought back a lot of the stuff that seemed out of place and put it into perspective. It also gives a fair bit more insight into Sylar and also breeds the slightest amount of pity for the guy.

[|3o3dha]

Was I the only one who found the whole Sylar plotline awfully excecuted? This episode contained some of the worst (Sylar)  scenes in the whole series.

Can you explain why? I agree entirely with Nevermore. It brought back a lot of the stuff that seemed out of place and put it into perspective. It also gives a fair bit more insight into Sylar and also breeds the slightest amount of pity for the guy.

Yes it does all that, I am completely fine with the intention of the scenes, however the way the scenes were filmed/ executed was just plain horrible. It could just be that I have something against the actor, but imho it's not even the actor, it's deeper. It's the whole choreography, choice of viewpoints, the whole background has a very flimsy feel around it. I just don't buy it, not in the way it is represented in those scenes.

[MrHat]

Ya, it was poorly directed.

I like that we're seeing new abilities from Sylar.  Stuff I haven't seen before: frost hands.

Also, did we confirm he has some sort of resiliance trait?  Fighting through the Haitian's power, kicking the time stop from Hiro, etc.

[Ironwood]

I'm miles behind you guys on the episodes, but the first family he killed (where the psychic cop was first involved and met the FBI Ugly from Faculty) were found Iced and removed.

I'd figured he had some kinda ice-power.

[MrHat]

Once again, I show how good my memory really is.

[NowhereMan]

Didn't future-painter-guy figure out that it was Peter who goes kablooey well before future-Hiro met Peter on the subway?

So, Hiro's time-traveling didn't affect who blew up the city.  So it was the same person in the original timeline.

I dunno, the artist certainly painted someone exploding but that painting isn't identifiable as anyone specifically. He certainly assumed it was Peter but I can't remember if the whole 'Peter explodes New York' thing started happening after he saved Claire or not. If it did I think my version holds up, if he was having dreams about going kablooey beforehand then I guess there's some other conclusion coming up.

[SnakeCharmer]

I'm miles behind you guys on the episodes, but the first family he killed (where the psychic cop was first involved and met the FBI Ugly from Faculty) were found Iced and removed.

I'd figured he had some kinda ice-power.

I don't remember that episode.....

Is that the one where Matt "heard" the kid in a closet, and her parents where stapled to the wall?

[schild]

The most recent episode sucked. Next.

[Ironwood]

I'm miles behind you guys on the episodes, but the first family he killed (where the psychic cop was first involved and met the FBI Ugly from Faculty) were found Iced and removed.

I'd figured he had some kinda ice-power.

I don't remember that episode.....

Is that the one where Matt "heard" the kid in a closet, and her parents where stapled to the wall?

Yes and No.

The mother was stapled to the Staircase with what appeared to be Fire Pokers and tongs.

The father was sitting normally at the dining table, frozen, with half his head cutaway.

But you're broadly right.

[CmdrSlack]

Ya, it was poorly directed.

I like that we're seeing new abilities from Sylar.  Stuff I haven't seen before: frost hands.

Also, did we confirm he has some sort of resiliance trait?  Fighting through the Haitian's power, kicking the time stop from Hiro, etc.

Sylar doesn't necessarily unstop time after Hiro stops it.  It's very possible that Hiro's power isn't of indefinite duration, or that, you know, he sucks at controlling it.  He couldn't make himself kill Sylar, and so his own internal conflict caused him to be distracted enough to drop the time freeze.

[Nevermore]

Yeah, I took it as Hiro losing his nerve more than Sylar doing anything.

[Threash]

I'm miles behind you guys on the episodes, but the first family he killed (where the psychic cop was first involved and met the FBI Ugly from Faculty) were found Iced and removed.

I'd figured he had some kinda ice-power.

I don't remember that episode.....

Is that the one where Matt "heard" the kid in a closet, and her parents where stapled to the wall?

Yes and No.

The mother was stapled to the Staircase with what appeared to be Fire Pokers and tongs.

The father was sitting normally at the dining table, frozen, with half his head cutaway.

But you're broadly right.

The little girl was the same little girl from this episode also.  It was kind of a slow episode, but it had a lot of nice touches i thought.  Like Claires excited "cool!" when she learns dad can fly, or Sylar being upset about killing 3 million innocents when he has no remorce at all about killing specials because he thinks they don't deserve it.  Now that i think about it he reminds me a lot of Syndrome from The Incredibles.

[HaemishM]

It was a very slow episode, and weaker than the last few. You could tell it was a "setting the pieces up" episode, and probably had to be done before the final boom boom episodes, but damn it was weak until the last scene. Seeing Peter's hands get glowy 2 days early was great.

The Sylar scenes didn't completely ring true to me until he kills his mother, then it all made a sick bit of sense. Killing his mother was an internal struggle, to kill that last bit of contrition in him. He's got nothing but the hunger for power now. I also saw Sylar breaking out of the power as Hiro losing his nerve. He seems to lose fine control over his powers the more he doubts himself.

[Samwise]

I'm curious how they'll resolve the issue with Hiro's sword.  Will he do a "Dumbo" and realize he never needed it at all, or will he do an "Aragorn" and get some other hero to fix it just in time for him to save the day?

Looking back at the teaser, I'm guessing it's a little bit of both.  Sulu arrives and gives Hiro a new sword (a family heirloom) and his blessing, restoring Hiro's self-confidence and his powers.

[Dren]

I also thought that part of his regret for blowing up NY was the fact that his mother lived there.  I was thinking he went there to see if there was any reason to save her somehow.  I guess he took care of that business early.  She also probably showed him that normal humans would never accept him for him, so screw them all.

Now that we know that all the "Old Timer" heroes (Linderman, Peter's Mom, Eric Robert's character, etc.) are all in this thing together, I'm more confused than ever.  It seems like every conspiracy group is aligned to have one thing happen, Blow Up New York.  We still haven't seen anything that hints at why this has to happen or how they know it needs to happen.  I imagine this has been in planning since before any of the "new" heroes had been born, so did they have their own fortune teller in their group?

This is all based on my own theory that a group of "heroes" were in existence 25-30 years prior and did some things together.  Some of those things were good and some bad.  Something big happened and forced them to go underground (a la Incredibles only darker.)  They've been plotting all of these activities with their own offspring, etc.  

I originally thought there were several "old timer" groups doing several different things, but now I have to change that theory.  Confused I am.

I mention a very early fortune teller only because for some reason nothing surprises these guys.  Sylar, Hiro jumping around, etc.  It is like they already saw the script from years ago and are just making sure things head in that general path.

[Merusk]

This is all based on my own theory that a group of "heroes" were in existence 25-30 years prior and did some things together.  Some of those things were good and some bad.  Something big happened and forced them to go underground (a la Incredibles only darker.)  They've been plotting all of these activities with their own offspring, etc.  

You're not reading the online comic.  This is close to the case. Linderman served in Vietnam with Peter's dad in a black-ops unit.  Linderman was the only guy with powers, but they took-out a Vietnameese girl (about 12) who had a power as well.  Lindermann didn't want to do it because he was like her, and he tried to stop Petrelli. Petrelli succeeded and said something along the lines of "sometimes people have to die so that more can live" foreshadowing Linderman's own "Lets nuke NY" agenda, which Linderman starts up later (in the 70s?) by finding Petrelli again.

[CmdrSlack]

It seems to me that there is only one "old timer" group of heroes.  At first, I thought Primatech was one entity and Linderman was another, now I am not so sure.  I haven't kept up with the online comic very well, but it sure seems like that's the case -- it's all one group and maybe they don't all know that they're all the same group.  I also am looking forward to seeing how Parkman and Ted react to the whole "destroy the Walker tracking system" theory when they find out that the tracking system is a little girl.  Heck, I sometimes wonder if Bennett even KNOWS that it's a little girl.  After all, he's just middle management.

[|3o3dha]

I am not that sure Petrelli's mother was actually his mother. For some reason I got the Illusion Lady vibe from her, which could be true, as she is in NY too.

[Morfiend]

It seems to me that there is only one "old timer" group of heroes.  At first, I thought Primatech was one entity and Linderman was another, now I am not so sure.  I haven't kept up with the online comic very well, but it sure seems like that's the case -- it's all one group and maybe they don't all know that they're all the same group.  I also am looking forward to seeing how Parkman and Ted react to the whole "destroy the Walker tracking system" theory when they find out that the tracking system is a little girl.  Heck, I sometimes wonder if Bennett even KNOWS that it's a little girl.  After all, he's just middle management.

We found out a few episodes that Primatech Paper Group is headed by Linderman. Although I would put money on the fact that next season starts with us finding out that Linderman is just a pawn for another more evil and shadowy group.

I am a bit disappointed that they set up all these different factions, and now the majority of them are turning our to be arms of the same faction. Its more interesting when there are several different goals going on not just "Supprise, we work for them TOO!!!"

[Furiously]

It seems to me that there is only one "old timer" group of heroes.  At first, I thought Primatech was one entity and Linderman was another, now I am not so sure.  I haven't kept up with the online comic very well, but it sure seems like that's the case -- it's all one group and maybe they don't all know that they're all the same group.  I also am looking forward to seeing how Parkman and Ted react to the whole "destroy the Walker tracking system" theory when they find out that the tracking system is a little girl.  Heck, I sometimes wonder if Bennett even KNOWS that it's a little girl.  After all, he's just middle management.

She would be nice for Sylar to get his hands on. Guess Peter can't ever meet her either.

[MrHat]

I am not that sure Petrelli's mother was actually his mother. For some reason I got the Illusion Lady vibe from her, which could be true, as she is in NY too.

Interesting.  With Linderman supplying her with all of the mother's information? 

[CmdrSlack]

I am not that sure Petrelli's mother was actually his mother. For some reason I got the Illusion Lady vibe from her, which could be true, as she is in NY too.

Interesting.  With Linderman supplying her with all of the mother's information? 

I just wonder how she could be both at the Petrelli house AND holding Micah hostage at the same time.

[Lantyssa]

I think it was really Nathan's mom.  No need to have the illusionist involved.

[hal]

OK, I am up to #5. The best part is the things that are not said. For TV this is some damn fine writing.

[Phildo]

Linderman actually explains that he and his organization have been guiding events towards a major tragedy in New York City with the goal of uniting the globe a few episodes ago.  Also, in the episode just before this one we see Sylar and Peter go after each other using ice and fire respectively, if only for a few seconds.

[Xerapis]

Personally, I thought it was more the bushido code thing that caused Hiro to drop the time-freeze right before decapitating Sylar.

I guess he underestimated Sylar's quick-reaction capability.

And I'm ready for him to lose the gimmick sword.

If Ando dies, I will be SERIOUSLY pissed.  He's one of my favorite things about the series.  Although, I am still waiting for the explanation about how he got on Linderman's security team, especially considering the security guys seemed to have him and Hiro on a blacklist.

[schild]

I don't see Ando dying. I see one of the real Heroes biting it.

[Lantyssa]

I don't know about dying, but I can see Nathan doing something unexpected.  He looked seriously unhappy with mommy dearest and Thompson (or whatever the Primatech guy's name is).

[HaemishM]

Nathan is going to go against his mother and the Linderman group. They've pretty much been setting him up to do just that, and he'll do it because of Peter. I can see Nathan taking the bomb guy into orbit, killing himself and the bomb guy.

[MrHat]

Nathan is going to go against his mother and the Linderman group. They've pretty much been setting him up to do just that, and he'll do it because of Peter. I can see Nathan taking the bomb guy into orbit, killing himself and the bomb guy.

That's a pretty awesome theory.

I'm actually hoping they blow up NY IN THE SHOW Heroes on NBC. (had to add that for all the data miners on the net).  There really hasn't been a television show that 'goes there'.

[Lantyssa]

Could be.  Peter has been freaking out about going nuclear which has made me wonder why he doesn't consider flying away if it happens.

One of the problems with an all-powerful character I suppose.

[SnakeCharmer]

I can see Nathan taking the bomb guy into orbit, killing himself and the bomb guy.

Alternatively, Peter absorbs Nathan's flight powers long enough to take him up to orbit, and still has Claire's regen. 

Lives to fight another day.