Heroes (SPOILERS)

[Hutch]

Oh! It could be Sylar! He could eat Ted's brain, then go boom!

[SnakeCharmer]

Fucking awesome episode. Totally worth the wait. I even liked the Sylar/Peter fight, though I'd like to figure out how Sylar got taken out. That didn't seem like something Peter could do what with glass shards stuck in his fookin' head.

I thought that Mohinder pushed a cabinet or something like that into him, slamming him into a wall knocking him out?

Slit his throat on the way out?

Oh right, need more drama, let him live.

Either that or that handy pistola that was laying around.

Yah.  That kinda sucked. 

But you gotta have an ubah villain.

[stray]

I still hate Syler though. Still my one beef about the show. He's no uber villain. He sucks, his rage has no point to it, and he has ugly, bushy eyebrows. 

The guy needs to go away asap. We need some fucking Dr. Doom in the house.


As for the others, maybe Eric Roberts (yeah, yeah, ridicule me) will turn out to be the uber villain. Doesn't look like it'll be Linderman (he almost turned into a sympathetic character last night).

[MrHat]

I'm going to go w/ Syler eating Nuke's brain and then blowing up since he can't get a hold of the power before he goes bang.

[HaemishM]

The guy needs to go away asap. We need some fucking Dr. Doom in the house.

Will you settle for Magneto? Or at least Ozymandias? They are clearly setting up Linderman as the Magneto type of "Break a few eggs to make an omelette" type of character.

[schild]

I bet Linderman answers to someone. And you KNOW Hiro's dad was in that group and is... richer.

Edit: I want to see Grandma and Linderman fight. Gonna happen. Edge of the seat geriatric action.

[stray]

If George Takei really turns out to be a Yakuza Boss with superpowers, that could be a nice addition to the geriatric mix.

[SnakeCharmer]

I still hate Syler though. Still my one beef about the show. He's no uber villain. He sucks, his rage has no point to it, and he has ugly, bushy eyebrows. 

I'm with you, to a certain point.

I think what they were TRYING to get with the actor is an 'everyday man' kind of thing.  He was probably the hardest person to cast, ya know?

But in a roundabout way they succeeded:  We don't like him for <whatever reason>, and we're talking about him.

The guy needs to go away asap. We need some fucking Dr. Doom in the house.

He probably will go out in a bang. 

As for the others, maybe Eric Roberts (yeah, yeah, ridicule me) will turn out to be the uber villain. Doesn't look like it'll be Linderman (he almost turned into a sympathetic character last night).

I personally think Roberts is perfect for the roll he's in.  He's got the psycho-evil part down pat. 

As far as Linderman is concerned, I don't think all the cards are out on the table quite yet. 

[stray]

Yeah, I'm a fan of Eric Roberts --- Despite him having a 30 year career making bad Cinemax films.  :-D

The guy had a lot of talent in the past, but decided to just make money (or something, I don't know). He's similar to Mickey Rourke, as far as self sabotage goes.

[EDIT]

But in a roundabout way they succeeded:  We don't like him for <whatever reason>, and we're talking about him.

To be fair, it may not even be the actor I dislike. I mean, Syler, the character, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. His malice doesn't make any sense to me. Why is he so vicious? What the fuck is his problem? I find that whole angle about him irritating. I'd think a real Syler, someone who was pretty much just a regular guy on a quest for power like that, would probably be more non chalant and amoral-like. Not mean.

[SnakeCharmer]

Sylar = Stereotypical kid picked last in dodgeball dirt kicked in their eyes as a kid and now has a power and wants to get even with everyone psycho?

[CmdrSlack]

I'd go with that assessment of Sylar.  He really wanted to be special, now he can't stop becoming more special.  He's a testament to why you shouldn't fill kids full of that "you're unique and special" crap in grammar school.

I think the reason Mohinder didn't just shoot him after KOing him was that Mohinder is still too good to do it.  Sure, he did that whole paralyze and attempt to get evil on Sylar thing, but that didn't work out too well for him and perhaps was just a bit of the whole "hero is tempted by evil" aspect of the hero's journey.

Or maybe I spent too much time in lit classes in furtherance of my English degree.

[Lantyssa]

He might have been afraid it would wake him.  It did happen the last time.

I still don't fully understand it myself though.  I'd have been turning the bastard into little cubes after going through what Mohinder did.

[stray]

But.... But... If he was so encompassed by fear, then why wasn't he afraid to drag Petrelli's cold, lifeless, eyes-rolling-back-in-head, bloody body outside his apartment (which, more than likely, wasn't on the first floor), put him in a cab, and then drive all the way to Manhattan?  If he had the nerve to do that, then he should have had to nerve to pop a cap in Sylar.

[grebo]

Peter's passive abilities work only when he activates them or when the person from which he gained them is nearby.  Thusly, he couldn't have healed himself from being dead without Claire being there (or Linderman, as I was expecting).  Honestly they should have let Peter die, as the whole "Clash of the Titans" thing is boring.  Much more interesting to have the individual weaker characters have to fend off Sylar without their overpowered protector.

Also, what use does Lindy have for Micah?  To fix Mohinder's father's laptop?  So Lindy can ... do something... with the DNA thing?

[tazelbain]

Micah is going to rig the electoric voting to make sure Nathan wins.

[Rasix]

Peter's passive abilities work only when he activates them or when the person from which he gained them is nearby.  Thusly, he couldn't have healed himself from being dead without Claire being there (or Linderman, as I was expecting).

Claire was unable to heal from a brain wound until the item was removed from her head, just like Peter. 

[grebo]

Well, yes, but her ability is passive.  Peter's healing ability doesn't work all the time, same as his invisibility and every other ability he has that's passive for the original character.

Peter wouldn't have healed at all if Claire wasn't there, is all I'm saying.

[Mazakiel]

We don't really know if Peter can heal or not from being dead without Claire being there.  Similar to when Claire had that branch stuck in her head, the shard of glass had pierced Peter's brain, and with it stuck in there, the regeneration couldn't happen.  Personally, as the regen's a passive ability, I think it's always on for him now that he's learning to use his powers.  In fact, now that I think about it,  I'm pretty sure the fall off of the Devaux building and onto the cab killed him, but he still regenerated.  But I'm not certain of that, technically he could have been bleeding out and almost dead when the power kicked in.  The interesting thing will be if/how he realizes he has super hearing now, or if and when he realizes some of the other powers Sylar has given him. 

[Rasix]

Well, yes, but her ability is passive.  Peter's healing ability doesn't work all the time, same as his invisibility and every other ability he has that's passive for the original character.

Peter wouldn't have healed at all if Claire wasn't there, is all I'm saying.

Only reason he healed in her presence is because she removed the giant shard of glass from his brain.  I know this comes off as Star Wars v. Star Trek nerd fury, but you seem to be completely missing the angle they went for with that scene.

They've done a pretty decent job of tying the brain to character's super powers.  The one guy that can suppress memories can suppress a person's powers.  Sylar eating (or whatever he does) brains to absorb powers?  Seems to be a reasonable assumption that a brain wound in the only way Peter or Claire can die (as already demonstrated).

Invisibility guy's power isn't passive either.  He has to activate it.  You know, that whole episode with him working with Mr. Bennet?

[grebo]

Only reason he healed in her presence is because she removed the giant shard of glass from his brain.  I know this comes off as Star Wars v. Star Trek nerd fury, but you seem to be completely missing the angle they went for with that scene.

They've done a pretty decent job of tying the brain to character's super powers.  The one guy that can suppress memories can suppress a person's powers.  Sylar eating (or whatever he does) brains to absorb powers?  Seems to be a reasonable assumption that a brain wound in the only way Peter or Claire can die (as already demonstrated).

Star trek!  and watch the end of Ep14 again.  From 37 minutes or so.

Good points about the brain, but I still feel that Peter would have been all dead instead of mostly dead if Claire had been in Europe already. 

Invisibility guy's power isn't passive either.  He has to activate it.  You know, that whole episode with him working with Mr. Bennet?

Ok, you've got that one.

Edited to try and make a bit more sense

[Samwise]

And if future-badass-with-swords Hiro is about to cut someone, it's not going to be his past self. 

Unless he knows that his past self is about to do something really really dumb and destructive, and he's decided that the only way for him to prevent it is to end his own existence.  Future-badass-with-swords Hiro has that "angry brooding hero" thing going on that usually indicates a tragic and guilt-ridden past.  (Yeah, still a really long shot.)

[Viin]

Micah is going to rig the electoric voting to make sure Nathan wins.

They don't need a supernatural electronic wiz kid for that.

[Mazakiel]

Linderman didn't, until the first plan fell through, as he mentioned to Jessica/Niki/whoever.  Per the comic, Hana the Internet Girl found out about his plan to use deliberate flaws in the voting software to have the election go to Nathan, and screwed it up.  So now, Linderman's basically going with the sledgehammer approach, ie, Micah.  Which also convienently sets it up to where everyone will be in New York around the time of Peter's potential blowing up. 

[HaemishM]

Peter's passive abilities work only when he activates them or when the person from which he gained them is nearby. 

Not true. He turned invisible during the fight with Sylar, even though the Invisible Man was nowwhere near. He also healed himself when the Invisible Man threw him off the roof and Claire was in Texas.

The only reason he healed was because Claire removed the glass from his brain stem. That's the only way to kill the regnerators, damage the brain stem or keep it from working. Once the damage is removed, the whole power starts working again.

[Merusk]

Peter's passive abilities work only when he activates them or when the person from which he gained them is nearby. 

Not true. He turned invisible during the fight with Sylar, even though the Invisible Man was nowwhere near. He also healed himself when the Invisible Man threw him off the roof and Claire was in Texas.

He also healed himself as Sylar was cutting into his skull.. which is why Sylar stopped in the first place.

[Bunk]

We don't really know if Peter can heal or not from being dead without Claire being there.  Similar to when Claire had that branch stuck in her head, the shard of glass had pierced Peter's brain, and with it stuck in there, the regeneration couldn't happen.  Personally, as the regen's a passive ability, I think it's always on for him now that he's learning to use his powers.  In fact, now that I think about it,  I'm pretty sure the fall off of the Devaux building and onto the cab killed him, but he still regenerated.  But I'm not certain of that, technically he could have been bleeding out and almost dead when the power kicked in.  The interesting thing will be if/how he realizes he has super hearing now, or if and when he realizes some of the other powers Sylar has given him. 

Actually no. In the episode where the Doctor through him off the roof, Peter tells him that the last thing he remembered before he hit was how he felt when he had saved Clair, or something along that line. They surmized that his power was empathic and he had to bring up emotional triggers related to the people he pulled poweres from to get those powers to surface.

I'm agreeing with the idea that the only reason he healed after Claire pulled the shard was her presence. Had someone else removed the shard earlier, he likely would have healed the moment Clair got close to him.

[Bunk]

Peter's passive abilities work only when he activates them or when the person from which he gained them is nearby. 

Not true. He turned invisible during the fight with Sylar, even though the Invisible Man was nowwhere near. He also healed himself when the Invisible Man threw him off the roof and Claire was in Texas.

He also healed himself as Sylar was cutting into his skull.. which is why Sylar stopped in the first place.

Again, he was consious and able to activate his healing power once he realized "oh fuck, that hurts". Peter hasn't gotten to the point of using his powers instinctively yet, which is why Sylar keeps kicking his ass.

[Mr_PeaCH]

We don't really know if Peter can heal or not from being dead without Claire being there.  Similar to when Claire had that branch stuck in her head, the shard of glass had pierced Peter's brain, and with it stuck in there, the regeneration couldn't happen.  Personally, as the regen's a passive ability, I think it's always on for him now that he's learning to use his powers.  In fact, now that I think about it,  I'm pretty sure the fall off of the Devaux building and onto the cab killed him, but he still regenerated.  But I'm not certain of that, technically he could have been bleeding out and almost dead when the power kicked in.  The interesting thing will be if/how he realizes he has super hearing now, or if and when he realizes some of the other powers Sylar has given him. 

Actually no. In the episode where the Doctor through him off the roof, Peter tells him that the last thing he remembered before he hit was how he felt when he had saved Clair, or something along that line. They surmized that his power was empathic and he had to bring up emotional triggers related to the people he pulled poweres from to get those powers to surface.

I'm agreeing with the idea that the only reason he healed after Claire pulled the shard was her presence. Had someone else removed the shard earlier, he likely would have healed the moment Clair got close to him.

Gonna disagree on that; it is just like when Claire in an early episode with a branch lodged in her spine or brain or whatever cannot heal until the obstruction is removed.  To say that when the glass shard is removed from Peter's head and he regenerates only because Claire was in proximity is over-thinking it.  It's just a nice moment for the two of them to meet again but had someone else noticed and thought to remove the shard he would have begun healing at that moment as well.  imho.

[Lantyssa]

Peter would have a hard time realizing Claire was next to him to active his power when, y'know, dead.  We know it was triggered in the fight with Sylar so my guess is it was only suppressed while the glass was lodged in his brain.

Lindeman having Micah also means he has a tool to use against MPD girl.  At least until she goes psycho.

[SnakeCharmer]

MPD girl?

[Bunk]

Peter would have a hard time realizing Claire was next to him to active his power when, y'know, dead.  We know it was triggered in the fight with Sylar so my guess is it was only suppressed while the glass was lodged in his brain.

Lindeman having Micah also means he has a tool to use against MPD girl.  At least until she goes psycho.

See, now I have to disagree. Peter has shown that when in the presence of other muties with persistant powers, they kick in for him automatically. He didn't need to make the healing kick in, because Clair was beside him.

He went invisible when near the Doctor, he healed the first time he was near Clair, he could hear thoughts when near Parkman. When he is not near them, he needs to bring memories and emotions regarding that person to the surface to activate the power.

Basically, if his healing power was always on, so would the mind reading and the invisibility likely be.

[kaid]

Multiple personality disorder girl

[grebo]

Peter's passive abilities work only when he activates them or when the person from which he gained them is nearby. 

Not true. He turned invisible during the fight with Sylar, even though the Invisible Man was nowwhere near. He also healed himself when the Invisible Man threw him off the roof and Claire was in Texas.

He also healed himself as Sylar was cutting into his skull.. which is why Sylar stopped in the first place.

Bah.  Read what I said.  We said the same thing.

As stated in Ep 14 Minute 37:10, Peter has to think about how the original power owner made him feel to use their power when they are not around.  Thusly, when dead, he cannot think and cannot regenerate.

When they are around, he can use their power without thinking.  There are multiple examples of this with Claire already.

[schild]

Peter can use the abilities at will. Plain and simply. But it's at will.

When other people are around, it becomes an automatic thing when necessary.

It's pure comic book schlock.

He needs THIS now! Ok, do it. OK, he has this power, he needs it. OK, do it. Claire's around, let's just do that automagic bullshit again. OK, do it.

Comic book guys, comic book.

[Nevermore]

Speaking of which, the whole silly arguement is much more entertaining when read in this guy's voice: