Heroes (SPOILERS)

[stray]

My one Heroes spoiler: The guy who plays Nathan Petrelli was in Top Gun. I didn't use IMDB to cheat either. I just finished watching Top Gun.

Adrian Pasdar. Been around awhile, yeah. Best role was in Carlito's Way. He died pretty quickly though.

[Furiously]

My one Heroes spoiler: The guy who plays Nathan Petrelli was in Top Gun. I didn't use IMDB to cheat either. I just finished watching Top Gun.

Adrian Pasdar. Been around awhile, yeah. Best role was in Carlito's Way. He died pretty quickly though.

He's also married to the lead singer of the Dixie Chicks.

[HaemishM]

He also starred in the very short-lived Fox show Profit, which kicked ass but was way too weird for America to swallow. It was about a completely amoral stock broker, I mean amoral to the point where he'd kill people just to get ahead in his job. But at night, he'd go back to his empty apartment and sleep naked in a cardboard box. Kind of an American Psycho meets Gilbert Grape or some shit. It was quite good, so naturally Fox killed it after 3 episodes.

[Velorath]

As a reminder for those who don't know, Heroes returns tonight with the first of its last five episodes.

[SnakeCharmer]

By FAR, the best episode yet.

Completely fucking AWESOME.

Will refrain from discussing until all timezones have seen it.  Really, really don't want to spoil it for anyone.

[CmdrSlack]

Pretty decent episode tonight.  It does make me wonder if next week (based on the preview) is just going to be a flash-forward, and we have to wait till week after next to see what happens with some of the story lines that were developed this week.

Overall, I liked it.  Sure seems like they're moving the plot along a bit.

[Samwise]

Heroes returns tonight with the first of its last five episodes.

We shall henceforth refer to these as "The Final Five".   

[Merusk]

By FAR, the best episode yet.

Completely fucking AWESOME.

Will refrain from discussing until all timezones have seen it.  Really, really don't want to spoil it for anyone.

I agree completely. A few moments where I was going "ARGGG" though, but overall really good.

Pretty decent episode tonight.  It does make me wonder if next week (based on the preview) is just going to be a flash-forward, and we have to wait till week after next to see what happens with some of the story lines that were developed this week.

I expect we will have to wait, and next week will be like the "6 months-ago" episode in that we won't see anything from 'present day.'

[Nevermore]

Such a great episode!  So many things to comment about, but I'll wait for now as well...

[Hutch]

I agree completely. A few moments where I was going "ARGGG" though, but overall really good.

My personal ARGGG moment came when Linderman went into Ozymandias mode re: the destruction of NYC will saaaaave the worrrrrrlddddd.

(Although I'm holding out hope that he just said what he said to Nathan as some sort of misdirection, and not as a blatant rip-off of an already-told story).

I was surprised that Petrelli vs Sylar wasn't more visually impressive. I suppose this is television, so they're on a budget.
Still, you make your viewers wait two months to see this fight, and it ends with a shard of glass stuck into Peter's head?
Throw us a bone, let the two powerhouses tear up Mohinder's apartment a little more before ending it.

Great Ando line: "I don't like the future."

The show closed with another good cliffhanger. I should have expected them to have Hiro run into himself eventually.

[SnakeCharmer]

I loved the "Yooou....." sneer by future Hiro...And I can guarantee you he wasn't talking about Hiro....

Ando is about to bite it.  Not sure how Ando figures to be a bad guy, but something is about to happen (sliced and diced by future badass Hiro with swords).

Edit:  Anyway.

Great freakin' episode.  No way was Peter dead.  Had the whole Claire-dead-grey-eyes thing going on.  Was just a matter of time.  And yes, the Syler v Peter battle could have and should have been better.  I was really hoping that Isaac didn't get brainpanned, but meh...guess that was inevitable.  From the previews of him being dead, then seeing Lindermans 'heal' power, I figured Nathan was going to make some sort of deal with Linderman to heal him and bring him back to life (a la the dead flower).  Speaking of Linderman, wtf is wrong with his nose?  It always looks...brown.  Noticed it in the first ep he was in.

Question:  Where is Nathan's wife?

[Nevermore]

Question:  Where is Nathan's wife?

Hanging out with Jack Bauer, last I saw. 

[Samwise]

My personal ARGGG moment came when Linderman went into Ozymandias mode re: the destruction of NYC will saaaaave the worrrrrrlddddd.

You know, I was trying to figure out why that sounded so familiar.  Damn.  Oh well.  At least it wasn't something involving a giant laser.

I loved the "Yooou....." sneer by future Hiro...And I can guarantee you he wasn't talking about Hiro....

It looked to me like he was looking at Hiro, but it was hard to tell from the camera angle.  I can see future-Hiro having some disdain for past-Hiro, what with his willy-nilly ripping through time and space and causing rifts and whatnot.  But yeah, Ando is a better bet.

It still hasn't been explained how Ando was able to suddenly show up in Linderman's vault in a security uniform and save the day.  Maybe he made some sort of good-intentioned but disastrous deal so that he could be in the right place at the right time?

[schild]

That was good shit.

[stray]

Really good, I agree.

Does anyone know when this season ends? I'd be thrilled if it went for another 5 episodes or so.

[kaid]

there are four more episodes to the season after last nights.

[stray]

Great. I just hope they don't pull this month-long-wait crap again next year. I'd like to see about 28 episodes per season.

[schild]

I'd also like each season to end like an actual comic book run. All the shit they delayed to tell me how trashy nikki was wasted too much time it would seem.

Stupid bitch.

[SnakeCharmer]

It looked to me like he was looking at Hiro, but it was hard to tell from the camera angle.  I can see future-Hiro having some disdain for past-Hiro, what with his willy-nilly ripping through time and space and causing rifts and whatnot.  But yeah, Ando is a better bet.

It still hasn't been explained how Ando was able to suddenly show up in Linderman's vault in a security uniform and save the day.  Maybe he made some sort of good-intentioned but disastrous deal so that he could be in the right place at the right time?

Best I can figure (or my own personal theory):

Hiro's dad is involved with Linderman.  We know this, or at least it's not a stretch to assume it so.

I'm thinking Ando was 'assigned' to Hiro to keep him out of troulble and not fuck up the world up with his time space continium flux capacitor powers.  Further, Ando has been influencing (it's obvious at times, when you think about certain instances) and steering Hiro along the way.  The vault thing was just a little TOO obvious, but I'd thought Ando had clandestine motives prior to that, I just didn't say anything because I thought I was just being paranoid and reading too much into the buddy buddy relationship.  It may not be clandestine; he's just trying to keep Hiro out of trouble.

Anyway, Ando isn't necessarily working for Linderman per se, in as much as he answers to Hiro's dad, who I personally think is the boss of the whole shebang. 

And if future-badass-with-swords Hiro is about to cut someone, it's not going to be his past self. 

[Mazakiel]

Great episode overall.  The Peter/Sylar fight was a bit disappointing though.  It had promise, but the ending was pretty anticlimactic.  I guess he might have been trying to duck or something, but why the hell was Peter facing away from Sylar?  Anyway....looking forward to next week's. 


Also, the comic they posted for last night's episode sheds some light on Future Hiro's backstory a bit, and spells out pretty clearly how things have changed so far in the timeline.  I found it to be one of the more interesting comics.  In fact, I'd have much preferred several issues of Future Hiro as opposed to six issues of Linderman in Vietnam. 

[stray]

I guess he might have been trying to duck or something, but why the hell was Peter facing away from Sylar?  Anyway....looking forward to next week's. 

Maybe he knew he was about to get jacked, so he turned around to move away?

[Nevermore]

It's also interesting to note that 1) No scar on Peter yet so whatever happens that gets him that scar hasn't happened yet and 2) Peter can't grow back his hair like Claire can.  Heh.

[HaemishM]

Fucking awesome episode. Totally worth the wait. I even liked the Sylar/Peter fight, though I'd like to figure out how Sylar got taken out. That didn't seem like something Peter could do what with glass shards stuck in his fookin' head.

One thing I've heard is that the producers have said that next season might not be focused on the same set of heroes, so don't necessarily get comfortable with this cast. Perhaps it'll be a flashback season, with the whole season set in Linderman's time, when Sulu and Grandma Petrelli and Eric "The Master" Roberts all setting shit up.

[Merusk]

I had a problem with Peter-Sylar until they did the hearing thing with Mohinder ko-ing Sylar.   Invisibility < Ability to hear heartbeat/ footsteps like I'm talking in your ear.   Peter got caught with his pants down, relying too much on invisibility (as most sighted people rely 90% on their sight) because he didn't know it wasn't an "I Win" card.

My biggest ARRGH was the whole "omg Peter's Dead, look at that glass shard" thing.  Nobody thought to pull it out before Claire?  Really? Or did that not seem to be a big stretch purely for dramatic purposes to anyone else?   The Linderman = crazy 'destroy the world to save it' is very cliche, and yes that's also a nuisance.  Also, if you discover you're radioactive wouldn't you educate yourself a bit more about radiation?  Not knowing what an EMP is? Small Argh.

I agree with Snake about FH's "Youuu..."  Ando's in for some trouble.

My questions right now are:

-Where's Hiro's dad in the hierarchy? Still involved with Linderman, or was he one of the 'splitters' Linderman mentioned.
-Who's gonna die, Nikki, Micha or Shifter. One of them's in for a bad day, and I'm thinking it's shifter.
-Issac says you can't escape the future.  He's drawn Peter exploding, and NY being nuked.  Doesn't that mean that everything's futile anyway?  How are they going to massage that bit of time-travel paradox?

[HaemishM]

New York is hosed, but that doesn't mean Peter dies.

[Nevermore]

-Issac says you can't escape the future.  He's drawn Peter exploding, and NY being nuked.  Doesn't that mean that everything's futile anyway?  How are they going to massage that bit of time-travel paradox?

So far there's been no divergence at all from all the various predictions of the future.   Given that the producers have said that each season will be its own story arc not necessarily with the same characters, I'm at the point where it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out New York really does get destroyed.  It all depends on what future Hiro really meant with the 'Save the cheerleader, save the world' thing.

Speaking of the future, what was it Sylar painted after he ate Isaac's brain?  I'm also curious about what the clue is Isaac left behind that'll lead to Sylar's death.

[Morfiend]

New York is hosed, but that doesn't mean Peter dies.

Clearly Peter doesnt die when NY goes bang. It showed him in the preview of next episode, with his scar that future Hiro refered to. So he obviously lives in the future. I think we are going to see a lot more powers being used next episode.

The thing im worried about is them adding powers to every single character.

[Velorath]

Great. I just hope they don't pull this month-long-wait crap again next year. I'd like to see about 28 episodes per season.

22 episodes is more or less standard for a network TV series I think (unless it's a new series with only a half season ordered).  They decided to give Heroes an extra episode.  Most shows have month or so long gaps like that (usually after the sweeps peroids).

[SnakeCharmer]

Fucking awesome episode. Totally worth the wait. I even liked the Sylar/Peter fight, though I'd like to figure out how Sylar got taken out. That didn't seem like something Peter could do what with glass shards stuck in his fookin' head.

I thought that Mohinder pushed a cabinet or something like that into him, slamming him into a wall knocking him out?

[stray]

Great. I just hope they don't pull this month-long-wait crap again next year. I'd like to see about 28 episodes per season.

22 episodes is more or less standard for a network TV series I think (unless it's a new series with only a half season ordered).  They decided to give Heroes an extra episode.  Most shows have month or so long gaps like that (usually after the sweeps peroids).

It needs the Star Trek treatment then. They had pretty long series' lengths, I think. Some aired as two-parters at that.

Scratch that. Give it the soap opera treatment. All year long!

[MrHat]

Fucking awesome episode. Totally worth the wait. I even liked the Sylar/Peter fight, though I'd like to figure out how Sylar got taken out. That didn't seem like something Peter could do what with glass shards stuck in his fookin' head.

I thought that Mohinder pushed a cabinet or something like that into him, slamming him into a wall knocking him out?

Slit his throat on the way out?

Oh right, need more drama, let him live.

[CmdrSlack]

Great. I just hope they don't pull this month-long-wait crap again next year. I'd like to see about 28 episodes per season.

22 episodes is more or less standard for a network TV series I think (unless it's a new series with only a half season ordered).  They decided to give Heroes an extra episode.  Most shows have month or so long gaps like that (usually after the sweeps peroids).

It needs the Star Trek treatment then. They had pretty long series' lengths, I think. Some aired as two-parters at that.

Scratch that. Give it the soap opera treatment. All year long!

Sweet, either I misremember from earlier or this is a sea change in your opinion of the show.  I say, "sweet," because I, too, hope for a much longer season of this one.

[stray]

Yeah, they took out the prolonged Peter Emo Closeup moments, then upped the pace a bit. Also, my main complaint was not enough action or use of powers. They've responded to that too.

[Hutch]

New York is hosed, but that doesn't mean Peter dies.

Clearly Peter doesnt die when NY goes bang. It showed him in the preview of next episode, with his scar that future Hiro refered to. So he obviously lives in the future. I think we are going to see a lot more powers being used next episode.

The thing im worried about is them adding powers to every single character.

Speculation time.

I wonder if Peter is going to go bang at all. Or boom, whatever.

Nuclear Ted is on his way to NYC. Maybe he'll go boom.

And Peter has only seen himself go boom in dreams. He might be using Isaac's power there, but if he's dreaming, the future vision could be altered by his subconscious.

Unless... if Peter hasn't been exposed to Nuclear Ted yet, maybe Peter can still go boom, after meeting Ted, after Ted arrives in NYC.

[schild]

They can flipflop anything, as we just saw when Syler started painting.