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Nebu
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on: October 20, 2006, 10:35:15 PM

I just ran across this on Yahoo.  It's basically a new merit badge introduced to the Boy Scouts of America to attempt to decrease music and movie piracy among youngsters.  I'm not sure what to think about it at the moment, so I thought I'd open the floor to discussion.


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Reply #1 on: October 20, 2006, 11:08:10 PM

roflcopter.
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Reply #2 on: October 20, 2006, 11:28:23 PM

Piracy issues aside, it just sounds like a bunch of entertainment industry reps using their kids to push their agenda.

I doubt the Boy Scouts of Waco or Kalamazoo will give a shit.
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Reply #3 on: October 21, 2006, 12:42:05 AM


It's a merit "patch" and not a badge because it's an unofficial whatever put togather by the Los Angeles branch. The Hong Kong branch has a similar "patch" and program. They pay kids to submit links to pirated crap or some such.

What next, a coke drinking merit "patch" shaped like a Coke logo? Learn why coke is better than water, where to buy it, and ways you can help other people to start drinking coke too!
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Reply #4 on: October 21, 2006, 03:31:02 PM

I downloaded a copy of that image from the link you provided Nebu. Then I printed it out and made my own merit badge.

It was awesome.
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Reply #5 on: October 21, 2006, 03:45:11 PM

I downloaded a copy of that image from the link you provided Nebu. Then I printed it out and made my own merit badge.

It was awesome.

Somewhere in America, an MPAA copyright attorney's head just exploded.

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Reply #6 on: October 22, 2006, 12:07:35 AM

The guy in my office that supplies me with burns of TV shows I missed is a Scout leader.

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Reply #7 on: October 22, 2006, 01:20:34 AM

The guy in my office that supplies me with burns of TV shows I missed is a Scout leader.

SOMEONE ISN'T GETTING A BADGE.
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Reply #8 on: October 22, 2006, 01:43:37 AM

I'd like to view this curriculum.  Maybe as a visual aid they spliced in bits of the South Park showing how Britney Spears couldn't afford the jumbo jet and had to settle for the regular jet, because of music piracy.

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Reply #9 on: October 22, 2006, 01:29:43 PM

That kind of reminds me of... what was that book? 1984? That's the one where they've got the kids ratting out their parents and stuff?
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Reply #10 on: October 22, 2006, 09:16:07 PM

1944. Germany, not a book.

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Reply #11 on: October 22, 2006, 10:04:13 PM

2002. Equilibrium.  A movie, not a book.

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Reply #12 on: October 22, 2006, 10:12:28 PM


It's a merit "patch" and not a badge because it's an unofficial whatever put togather by the Los Angeles branch. The Hong Kong branch has a similar "patch" and program. They pay kids to submit links to pirated crap or some such.

What next, a coke drinking merit "patch" shaped like a Coke logo? Learn why coke is better than water, where to buy it, and ways you can help other people to start drinking coke too!

Activity patch,  which doesn't count for anything.  Advancement is strictly through merit badges.  The Boy Scouts do patches for virtually everything,  which amount to nothing more than "teh shiny" to collect or put on your uniform.  Camporees, summer camp, etc.  Sales of patches are big for fundraising,  and some kids/adults trade them.

A Coke patch or anything else that's blatantly merchandising would never get off the ground.  I'm not sure the Boy Scouts will even take gifts of product from soft drink manufacturers anymore, due to health concerns and negative PR.

Cynical douchebags.  wink

(For the record,  I served on the board of a Boy Scout council pre-merger,  and now am a "member-at-large"/finance and fundraising guy for a very large Council in New York)
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Reply #13 on: October 22, 2006, 10:19:04 PM

anything else that's blatantly merchandising would never get off the ground.

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"Working with the Boy Scouts of Los Angeles, we have a real opportunity to educate a new generation about how movies are made, why they are valuable,..." Dan Glickman, chairman of the Motion Picture Association of America, said in a statement Friday.

Scouts will be instructed in the basics of copyright law and learn how to identify five types of copyrighted works

The program is being introduced to the 52,000 Scouts in the Los Angeles area, with plans to offer it to other California councils early next year. The program will reach Scouts ages 6 to 21.

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Reply #14 on: October 22, 2006, 10:43:37 PM

anything else that's blatantly merchandising would never get off the ground.

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"Working with the Boy Scouts of Los Angeles, we have a real opportunity to educate a new generation about how movies are made, why they are valuable,..." Dan Glickman, chairman of the Motion Picture Association of America, said in a statement Friday.

Scouts will be instructed in the basics of copyright law and learn how to identify five types of copyrighted works

The program is being introduced to the 52,000 Scouts in the Los Angeles area, with plans to offer it to other California councils early next year. The program will reach Scouts ages 6 to 21.

Link:  http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Merchandising

By definition,  merchandising would need to push a particular brand or studio,  or specific movie/television franchises. 

How would education on copyrights do that? 

If it was a Sony patch,  or a Power Rangers patch, or whatever I could see potential problems.  You have to identify how this is a direct means of inducing scouts to consume a specific product.

If anything, this is a goodwill grab by the MPAA in an attempt to promote their views on piracy.
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Reply #15 on: October 22, 2006, 11:00:38 PM

If anything, this is a goodwill grab by the MPAA in an attempt to promote their views on piracy.

Pirate


Not a pirate

but she could be 14

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Reply #16 on: October 23, 2006, 01:46:49 AM

1944. Germany, not a book.

Agreed, but at least this wasn't government sponsored. Time to move to Canada anyone?
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Reply #17 on: October 23, 2006, 07:22:37 AM

Canada's a sucker's bet.  It'll be the first to go.

I'm planning on Australia.

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Reply #18 on: October 23, 2006, 07:58:24 AM

That kind of reminds me of... what was that book? 1984? That's the one where they've got the kids ratting out their parents and stuff?

Righ has the approximate time period, but the wrong dictatorship.  See: Pavlik Morozov.

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Reply #19 on: October 23, 2006, 08:10:38 AM


It's a merit "patch" and not a badge because it's an unofficial whatever put togather by the Los Angeles branch. The Hong Kong branch has a similar "patch" and program. They pay kids to submit links to pirated crap or some such.

What next, a coke drinking merit "patch" shaped like a Coke logo? Learn why coke is better than water, where to buy it, and ways you can help other people to start drinking coke too!

Activity patch,  which doesn't count for anything.  Advancement is strictly through merit badges.  

So it's a faction grind?

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Reply #20 on: October 23, 2006, 08:18:02 AM

Not a pirate

but she could be 14
Not a Boy Scout, either.

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #21 on: October 23, 2006, 09:14:15 AM

Clearly, she is ninja.
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Reply #22 on: October 23, 2006, 12:03:15 PM

Canada's a sucker's bet.  It'll be the first to go.
Not with our artists actively fighting the Canadian version of the RIAA. Pretty hard to crush something when the people making you money aren't on board with your ideas.
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Reply #23 on: October 23, 2006, 12:28:37 PM

I mean it'll be the first one to go like Czechoslovakia was the first one to go.

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Reply #24 on: October 23, 2006, 01:35:06 PM

Well you know, if Canada weren't so hostile to the US minority groups on the border this wouldn't be an issue.

Canada: the United States' last territorial demand in North America. (Except for Mexico.)
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Reply #25 on: October 23, 2006, 01:48:13 PM

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Reply #26 on: October 23, 2006, 02:16:27 PM

Do you have a link to a lossless torrent, guitar tab and lyrics for that please?

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Reply #27 on: October 23, 2006, 03:30:11 PM

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Reply #28 on: October 25, 2006, 10:28:51 AM

Activity patch,  which doesn't count for anything.  Advancement is strictly through merit badges. 

So it's a faction grind?

In Boy Scouts 2142, they switch to pins and use badges for adverts.

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Reply #29 on: October 25, 2006, 11:24:16 AM

Well you know, if Canada weren't so hostile to the US minority groups on the border this wouldn't be an issue.

Canada: the United States' last territorial demand in North America. (Except for Mexico.)


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