Useless Conversation

[Yegolev]

If you win when he is three, you will win when he is sixteen.

[Viin]

If you win when he is three, you will win when he is sixteen.

Keep telling yourself that ...   

[Soln]

the whole cry-it-out model is a very hot topic on a parents board at work.  One guy once said it was "child abuse" and things went pear shaped.  Was actually funny to watch the threadnaughting.

but yeah, moderation in everything -- teach them to be alone, teach them to sleep.  And like we're discovering, teach them somehow to fall back asleep....

[Ingmar]

Considering most people think anyone that rides a bike is a gang member, it's not surprising they look down their nose at it, even if subconsciously.

Is that a Texas thing? I usually assume they're middle aged software engineers trying to seem more badass.

[Paelos]

Considering most people think anyone that rides a bike is a gang member, it's not surprising they look down their nose at it, even if subconsciously.

Is that a Texas thing?

Yes.

[SnakeCharmer]

Considering most people think anyone that rides a bike is a gang member, it's not surprising they look down their nose at it, even if subconsciously.

Is that a Texas thing? I usually assume they're middle aged software engineers trying to seem more badass.

WILD HOGS.

That is usually the case more often than not.  But around here, substitute middle aged software engineer to accountant, lawyer, or realtor.

[Merusk]

Yes.

The earlier you do it, the less brutal it is too.

Totally.  I once had a coworker complain that his twin boy & girl wouldn't sleep in their bed all night, and they were 5 going on 6.  When I asked him "why don't you MAKE THEM."  He said, "that's not fair to them, they cry all night."

 

[Rasix]

This was the first night I've actually just tried leaving him in there.  It was only about 10-15 minutes of wailing (he does this awful gagging noise, he just gets so worked up).  But we had already tried our hour long process of getting him to sleep and he wouldn't calm down.  He's done this the last 2 nights where the second he hits his crib, he starts freaking out. Calling for mom first, and then dad; incessantly.

His sleep has been a bit more erratic, waking up sometimes with what I presume are dreams/nightmares. He's kind of a chore to put to bed, as he's a pretty active boy, and will just play until he's tired enough to sway while he walks.  Every night it's at least a 1 hour process just to get him calmed down and asleep (best case scenario).

When my wife said I should probably go in to assure him everything's ok (like he'd understand), he was out.  This won't be a lot of fun, but it's necessary. The hardest part will be keeping my wife from bailing him out.  I've got headphones, and I'm not afraid to use them.

He'll be fine though. He's always been a pretty solid sleeper compared to what other parents have said they go through.  

[Lianka]

This was the first night I've actually just tried leaving him in there.  It was only about 10-15 minutes of wailing (he does this awful gagging noise, he just gets so worked up).  

We tried this, at the recommendation of the pediatrician (at 4 months), but broke down after 18 minutes (and no sign of him letting up).  How old is he?  Every time I look into it, I read about a higher and higher recommended minimum age (first 3 months, then 6.. ). 

I can handle the getting mine to sleep the first time, it's the subsequent times I have issues with - I have others in my house who need the sleep, and the easiest way to get him back to sleep is a feeding, but I know I'm creating a feeding dependency, so what the hell do you do when you need a quiet house at night?!

[Rasix]

He's 15 months old.     At 4 months, kid slept like a rock.  11-12 hours a night with very rare interruptions.  Back at that age when he woke up, I'd walk/sing him back to sleep.  But he was on formula at that time (after 3 months) so he didn't need to be fed as often.

[Merusk]

Either I was a harass or I was blessed as I don't recall the kids ever wailing like that.  10, 15 mins maybe if they didn't want to go to sleep.  They'd have cried themselves tired by that point and settled down or KO'd.   If it went on longer, we knew it was something more serious and would check for gas, etc.

Y'all have my condolences.

[Ironwood]

We had 3 days of it at about 5-6 months.   I put her down and then had to restrain my wife for about an hour while we listened to her wail.

The next night, about 20 minutes of wailing.  The 3rd night, 5 and a half minutes.  Wife was distraught the entire time and took all my reassurances that this was RIGHT.

Elena has, since then, never, ever had a problem sleeping and has, from a very early age, known exactly when she needs to go to sleep.  She tells US these days that 'It's time for bed, night night' and wanders up to her room.  I get some funny looks and some jealous looks, but it's not about having a 'good kid' or a 'strange kid'.  It's about learned fucking behaviour.

I hate to say it, since I'm actually a massive softie where my daughter is concerned, but Children at that age are merely little animals and, as such, need TRAINED.

....

Honestly, I'm not mean.

[DraconianOne]

I hate to say it, since I'm actually a massive softie where my daughter is concerned, but Children at that age are merely little animals and, as such, need TRAINED.

I agree. That's what we did with my son who started sleeping through the night from six weeks and will pass out within five minutes of getting into bed. My daughter has been a nightmare and only started sleeping through the night after her second birthday. Even now she can sometimes take an hour or so to settle.

[Cyrrex]

We had 3 days of it at about 5-6 months.   I put her down and then had to restrain my wife for about an hour while we listened to her wail.

The next night, about 20 minutes of wailing.  The 3rd night, 5 and a half minutes.  Wife was distraught the entire time and took all my reassurances that this was RIGHT.

Elena has, since then, never, ever had a problem sleeping and has, from a very early age, known exactly when she needs to go to sleep.  She tells US these days that 'It's time for bed, night night' and wanders up to her room.  I get some funny looks and some jealous looks, but it's not about having a 'good kid' or a 'strange kid'.  It's about learned fucking behaviour.

I hate to say it, since I'm actually a massive softie where my daughter is concerned, but Children at that age are merely little animals and, as such, need TRAINED.

....

Honestly, I'm not mean.

My experiences are almost exactly the same with both kids.  Only twist I'd throw in is that it I would (after, say 5 minutes of wailing) enter the room and let the boy know that I was there, tell him everything was okay, and then left the room again.  WITHOUT touching him in any way (picking them up is the worst you can do...that is exactly what they want and why they are crying).  Just lets them know that you haven't actually abandoned them.

And a few days later, poof, all done.  And just like Ironwood, keeping the woman in check is actually the hardest part.  You have to be hard as nails, and my wife couldn't manage it.

[Soln]

meh, in our case I'm probably the problem 

[Nerf]

I'm so sad that hurricane Igor isn't going to make landfall in the US, I really wanted to watch those news stories.

[Abagadro]

We used the Ferber Method to get the kid to sleep and it worked great. It's basically just gradually extending the interval of when you will go pick them up in response to crying.

[Cheddar]

9 hours to D Day.  We get the luxury of sitting in our office for 2 hours until the finish telling people who will be leaving the company.

 

[Selby]

9 hours to D Day.  We get the luxury of sitting in our office for 2 hours until the finish telling people who will be leaving the company.

 

That was totally awesome.  Especially when you get tapped on the shoulder and asked to come into a room.  Then you realize you're in the "not fired" room yet again despite partly wanting to be.  Then you take a vacation and that's the day they decide to fire you... over the phone when you are driving.

[Ironwood]

Interview next week.

I am Ready.

[Bunk]

Good Luck.


Random item: went to a curling clinic last night and had my entire delivery reworked by Fuji Miki - coach of the Japanese women's national curling team. It was cool.

[Cyrrex]

Interview next week.

I am Ready.

Weren't you some kind of IS Director type before?  Going after something similar?

[Murgos]

Interview next week.

I am Ready.

Weren't you some kind of IS Director type before?  Going after something similar?

President of planet Hooston I think...

[Sky]

I thought he was the landlord of /both/ the potato farms in Scotland.

[Minvaren]

Interview next week.

I am Ready.

Weren't you some kind of IS Director type before?  Going after something similar?

President of planet Hooston I think...

I hear he's looking for someone to run Australia, though...

[RhyssaFireheart]

Interview next week.

I am Ready.

Weren't you some kind of IS Director type before?  Going after something similar?

President of planet Hooston I think...

I hear he's looking for someone to run Australia, though...

How exactly does one interview Zod though?

"All right, tell me about your most recent job."
"KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!"
"Err, what?  I want to know what you did in your last position."
"KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!"
"Look you, either tell me what you did in your last position or get out."
"KNEEL BEFO.. Oh all right.  I managed a 24/7 datacenter with blahblahblah... AND THEY ALL KNELT BEFORE ZOD!!"

[Ironwood]

"I like this server, its lights glow like our Krypton sun, but not this UPS whining noise."

"I am the ruler of all I survey.  As I was yesterday.  And the day before."

And, of course, my winning argument about Job Benefits.

"The Son of Jor-El.  Yes.  We will KILL THE SON OF OUR JAILOR."

[Ingmar]

Are there words in the English language that promise boredom more thoroughly than "Sharepoint migration webinar"? I submit that there are not.

[Cyrrex]

Are there words in the English language that promise boredom more thoroughly than "Sharepoint migration webinar"? I submit that there are not.

That's the kind of thing where you dial into it from home, and then just play Crysis at the same time.

[Ingmar]

jargon jargon platitude jargon cliche jargon jargon

[Minvaren]

jargon jargon platitude jargon cliche jargon jargon

"How about jargon platitude paradigm and jargon?  That's not got much jargon in it."

[Trippy]

I don't want ANY jargon!

[Chimpy]

So yeah. I have a sneaking suspicion I am going to have to be a prosecution witness in a child pornography trial.

Though the guy admitted to it, so maybe it won't go to trial.

Ahh the joys of a part time network admin job.

[Ironwood]

Friend of mine went through that.  Not pleasant.

[Murgos]

jargon jargon platitude jargon cliche jargon jargon

"How about jargon platitude paradigm and jargon?  That's not got much jargon in it."

Wait!  Is paradigm a platitude, a cliche or jargon?  I swear I've heard it used all three ways.