Useless Conversation

[Signe]

My hay fever is out of control.  I should have realised that when you live on a fucking golf course they mow the fucking grass every other fucking day.  The first thing I do in the morning is sneeze, followed by fits of sneezing and more sneezing later in the day.  It's not having a great effect on my nose.  (or my bladder)

[Furiously]

Maybe it's the antihistamines that are making you a zombie.

[Signe]

I'm pretty sure zombies don't sneeze or pee.  I do both.  Sometimes at the same time!  Why do you make me humiliate myself just to prove I'm not a zombie???

Alluvian came back.  That brought a happy tear to my eye today.  DO ZOMBIES CRY HAPPY TEARS?  I DON'T THINK SO!

[Furiously]

Yes - they are contagious tears of blood.

[schild]

Schild's Electric Lemonade will fuck you up.

[Sky]

My hay fever is out of control.  I should have realised that when you live on a fucking golf course they mow the fucking grass every other fucking day.  The first thing I do in the morning is sneeze, followed by fits of sneezing and more sneezing later in the day.  It's not having a great effect on my nose.  (or my bladder)

Medical marijuana imo.

[Furiously]

Good point Sky. Zombies don't smoke. Guess I'm done with that gimick.

[HaemishM]

My hay fever is out of control.  I should have realised that when you live on a fucking golf course they mow the fucking grass every other fucking day.  The first thing I do in the morning is sneeze, followed by fits of sneezing and more sneezing later in the day.  It's not having a great effect on my nose.  (or my bladder)

Medical marijuana imo.

If all that grass they were cutting was ganja, I'm sure Signe would be in a much better mood.

[Signe]

Of course I would.  We all would.  I'd have you all over and we would hold hands and sing Joy to the World.  Even Sinij.  ESPECIALLY SINIJ!

[HaemishM]

And there would be brownies.

[Yegolev]

Not so good at linking, though.

Today I'm teaching a man to fish instead of giving him one.

Zing!  Good one.

[Yegolev]

I love perl.
env PERLDB_OPTS="NonStop=1 AutoTrace=1 frame=2" perl -dS myprog arg1 arg2 arg3

BRAIN HURT!

[bhodi]

Seems perfectly readable to me! I don't get it!

You could also just export those envs...

[Murgos]

Perl, the only naturally obfuscated language.  Or, as the guy in the next cube calls it, "A write only language."

[Signe]

There is some absolutely lovely obfuscated Perl code.

''=~('(?{'.('.^@./@'^'^,)@[`').'"'.('|@<._}'^'/)[@:_').',$/})')

[schild]

Going to see VNV Nation w/ And One on June 22nd. Second time seeing them together. Oh going to rule so much.

[bhodi]

There is some absolutely lovely obfuscated Perl code.

''=~('(?{'.('.^@./@'^'^,)@[`').'"'.('|@<._}'^'/)[@:_').',$/})')

''=~('(?{'.('._)@^~'^'^-@.*^').'"'.('>@@@)|'^'|(/$@^').',$/})')
''=~('(?{'.('[]@.)@'^'+/)@]`').'"'.(',/,@@.@@.[@._@[@:[.[]_)@]_'^'````/@,)@>`@>->`]>@>/>]//}').',$/})')

[Signe]

Your face is nerd.

[Yegolev]

Seems perfectly readable to me! I don't get it!

You could also just export those envs...

That's what I originally thought, too.  Could be some quirk of ksh.  Anyway, let's just say that the output isn't particularly helpful and I am back to putting strategic print lines into my code.  Also I just checked the part I changed and told the guy to let me know if he sees anything weird.  Seriously considering setting up a debug perl environment... only hurts the first time, right?

A write-only language, that's good.  I do like to write things that are hard to read:
if (($nmo+1==$fmo)&&($nd==$fd)&&(($nh==$fh)||(($nh-1==$fh)&&($nmi-10>$fmi)))){

Good fun, although I wish I had not had to use the three-letter variable names.  Even I have my limits.

[bhodi]

if (($nmo+1==$fmo)&&($nd==$fd)&&(($nh==$fh)||(($nh-1==$fh)&&($nmi-10>$fmi)))){

Yuck; I hope that's not your real formatting! I can't stand the Perl debugger myself, I generally fake it with print statements like everyone else. I've kind of wanted a few easy trace prints to be in my program, and I'm sure there's a module out there, but I want subroutine hops enter/exit w/ value statements; I end up creating a little print statement that I call at the end/beginning of every suspect sub, "entering function X, values X Y Z" if $verbose, but that's starting to get old.

[Sky]

[bhodi]

I love that picture.

[Yegolev]

Yuck; I hope that's not your real formatting!

It is.  The day I learned I could write an entire awk program without any sort of whitespace was a happy one.  I wish Perl required less whitespace.

If it makes you feel better, no one has to maintain my shit other than me.

[Murgos]

I met a guy the a while back (maybe 6 weeks ago) who was convinced that extraneous whitespace and comments caused performance degradation at run time.  To the point that he had gone through a lot of the code where he works (he confided in me that he was just recently hired) and removed whatever he thought was superfluous, i.e. most of the comments and almost all of the formatting.

I asked if they used a CVS system and when he told me they did I wished him a good day and got the hell out of Dodge.  Eventually, someone competent will discover his 'optimizations' and roll everything back.  But, as it is now, I enjoy the thought that somewhere out there he is tirelessly working through the back-log of checked in code fixing it and all the while muttering under his breath about how clueless and inefficient his coworkers are.

Peer led code reviews, not really just an option.

[Signe]

Amish country is a big scam.  We just went for a ride and saw young men in Amish clothes, driving buggies, TALKING ON THEIR CELL PHONES!!!  That's not very Amish!  We also saw an Amish farm, with all their Amish clothes hanging out to dry, a horse and buggy parked outside the house which had a SATELLITE DISH ATTACHED!  That's not very Amish, either.  I call big time shenanigans! 

[Miasma]

I went to a store that sells Amish made furniture for the first time a few months ago.  They had DVD carousels and entertainment centres...  Plus a lot of the furniture had plastic parts and some of the mechanisms were cheap metal things with "Made in China" stamped on them.  I had naively expected it to be completely hand made with only old world materials, it was kind of a let down.

[Signe]

It's a total let down.  They no longer have the right to sell things called "head cheese" or "scrapple" with credibility.  I have renamed the town called Intercourse, Pa to Fuck, Pa.

[Strazos]

It really depends on what group of Amish you're dealing with. We actually hired a group to build a large storage shed in our old backyard. No pre-fab shit, oh no; they came and built it the way they build their barns - no nails or any "modern" things like that. All the pieces just fit together. They did it all in about half a day.


Granted, all their materials were brought in with a big flatbed trailer, and they all rode in one of those ugly Econoline vans, but that was about the extent of their use of "modern technology" for the day.

I think the general rule is that they use the least amount of technology possible. They'll use modern equipment, like automobiles, but only when necessary. I can't explain cellphones and Dish network, though.

[Yegolev]

You know what I can't explain?  This urge I got between 1600 and 1700 today that I really, really should sub to a MOG.  Something with elves and swords.  Somebody talk me out of it.

[Signe]

You know what I can't explain?  This urge I got between 1600 and 1700 today that I really, really should sub to a MOG.  Something with elves and swords.  Somebody talk me out of it.

Do it!  Even better, sub to CoX and make a blue elf woman wearing leafy clothing.  Name yourself Yegoleaf so we can find you.  Post pics.

PS  When did Strazos pass my post count?  Was it the week I went back to Britain?  Did I take a ten month nap? 

[Yegolev]

In Soviet Union, cocks sub to you!

[Strazos]

PS  When did Strazos pass my post count?  Was it the week I went back to Britain?  Did I take a ten month nap? 

I'm gunning for Top Foozle. 

[Signe]

HA!  Ironwood is on a roll today.  He should feature prominently if we ever have a Best of F13 show.

(makes me wonder if he still has a job!)

[Ironwood]

I do.

I just don't bother with it.  I have staff for that while I post here and reap the stock options.

[Yegolev]

I already could not water anything on most days, now I can't burn things either.  I might as well just stay inside and play video games.