So. What's BioWare's MMO?

[Zane0]

They were terrible premises.  You assumed there was no endgame because you never got there, if I recall.

Bioware MMO: KOTOR or Forgetten Realms!  For entirely selfish reasons.  The only flaw with say, BGII in my mind, is that the massive journey had an end.  Gonna probably be sorely sorely tempted by whatever the hell comes out. Brand loyalty, I suspect. :/

[SnakeCharmer]

Meh.

Fantasy diku hack and slash level based MMO number 120198374098179382471324 here we come.

[HaemishM]

No, wait... a Piers Anthony property. Hehehehe....

Pedophilia Online? It'd have to be Japanese, maybe Squeenix can plop one out.

[WayAbvPar]

I think Mark Foley needs a job. He could be a creative consultant on the PvP portion.

[HaemishM]

He's already written the quests and chat component.

[Arrrgh]

Harry Potter MMO.

[WayAbvPar]

He's already written the quests and chat component.

Got a screenshot from the pre-alpha...

[Venkman]

Necroz!

I hate that image by the way. But this tiny unsubstantiated rumor wasn't worth a new thread:

According to some ex-Lucasarts folks, the Bioware MMO is KOTOR3.

LucasArts employees have been spilling the beans on unannounced LucasArts projects following a cull of around 100 staff at the company this week. At the top of the list of juicy revelations is that the unannounced LucasArts/BioWare project is KOTOR3, and it's the long rumoured MMO!

That's all there is so far.

[UnSub]

He's already written the quests and chat component.

Got a screenshot from the pre-alpha...

Knowing who those people are, that's not an image I ever needed to see.

[WindupAtheist]

YES.

[Reg]

I could be tempted to break my rule about playing new MMOs in the first 3 months and about buying lifetime subscriptions for this one.

[schild]

So, which do you want, broken or unfinished?

How about both?

[Tale]

He's already written the quests and chat component.

Got a screenshot from the pre-alpha...

Knowing who those people are, that's not an image I ever needed to see.

Ditto, lol.

I know nobody cares, but the guy with his back to the camera is former Australian Prime Minister John Howard, and facing the camera is Peter Costello, the Treasurer (Treasury Secretary/Chancellor of the Exchequer) in the Howard government. Costello was Howard's anointed successor ... except Howard kept delaying his exit, and Costello got more and more frustrated - they hated each other but had to keep working together - until eventually their government was voted out.

[Triforcer]

The only bad thing about KOTOR3 would be that we'd keep seeing WUA's chart.  Everytime I see it, I die a little inside. 

[Aez]

I've heard they have an amazing new concept, they call it the HAM system.

[Merusk]

No, HAM's been done. This is the BACON system.

[Venkman]

Man, and you know Blizzard would do something like that too. Not sure Bioware has enough of a sense of humor for that 

[Reg]

I still have hope's that even though Bioware has been bought out by EA their MMOG - whatever it may be will still come out and be decent.  Gordon Walton is still working there right?  If he bails before it's released that'll tell me everything I need to know.

[Kail]

I still have hope's that even though Bioware has been bought out by EA their MMOG - whatever it may be will still come out and be decent.  Gordon Walton is still working there right?  If he bails before it's released that'll tell me everything I need to know.

I don't see why people are looking forward to this.

IP - (story + characters) = "IP the MMO"

Really, you guys want a d20 MMO that badly?  Not saying that KotOR is bad or anything, but I don't see how it could possibly translate in to a good MMO.  The combat was honestly not that great, and aside from the story, that's all there was to do.  I suppose you could chuck the KotOR mechanics and come up with something original, but why would Bioware somehow be more likely to do that better than anyone else?  Every game they've ever done has either been based heavily off of D&D or has been mediocre (at best) from a gameplay perspective.  I don't get it.

[Threash]

 Not saying that KotOR is bad or anything, but I don't see how it could possibly translate in to a good MMO. 

Star Wars in a time period were they arent constrained by the IP (zomg jedis!).

[rk47]

It'll be very balanced, I could see Jedi Masters struggling against bounty hunters and legions of republic commandos leading a bunch of clone troopers as pets since Quality vs Quantity can be enforced in a class design

[Fordel]

They could/would/should use something similar to Mass Effects combat system. It pretty much already has everything but Lightsabers already.

[Venkman]

I consider Mass Effects combat system what Tabula Rasa's should have been. Not that TRs was bad per se, it just didn't feel action-y enough to hide the numbers, not compared to ME on the PC (no idea about the X360 version).

Otherwise, I'm with Threash: SW has a long enough timeline they can pick any other period not constrained by the movies and have a lot of fun with it.

That doesn't make it uber unto itself. The game still has to be, like, fun. And having a rolling storyline atop a persistent state world hasn't been tried at the level Bioware is famous for doing in RPGs. Even AC1 was more an ongoing storyline with punctuated events rather than an ever-present narrative everyone was engaged in all the time.

Basically, still as many questions as there ever have been 

[WindupAtheist]

On the whole, I've been largely immune to MMO hype.  I've played UO forever, Asheron's Call for like a week many years ago, and lately I've come to appreciate WoW a bit.  I've never been one to play the flavor of the week MMO.  I even ignored SWG after it became clear that it was all dancing wookie hairdressers and shit.  And despite my fanboy status, LucasFilm can cram all those shitty "Expanded Universe" novels and comics and cartoons right up their ass.  But once upon a time BioWare gave me the sweetest Star Wars crack I've ever enjoyed outside of a movie theater, and I remember the taste well indeed.

"But WUA, the combat in KOTOR sucked, and anyway you're not gonna have that sort of in-depth storytelling in an MMO!"

Your feeble logic and reason are no match for the power of my fanboner.  This shall be the most awesome thing since Revenge of the Sith, which was THE BEST MOVIE EVAR!  /foam

[stray]

Well, not only did the combat suck, but it was only slightly redeemable because you were a World Crushing Jedi from Hell -- and that class will never be available in mmo's.

[Murgos]

But once upon a time BioWare gave me the sweetest Star Wars crack I've ever enjoyed outside of a movie theater, and I remember the taste well indeed.

Bioware didn't make X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter.

[ajax34i]

World Crushing Jedi from Hell -- and that class will never be available in mmo's.

EDIT:  misunderstood your point.  I suppose they can make it so players can ONLY be Jedi (or, I should say, force-capable).   Can use any weapon you want, and pick whatever profession you want on the side, but you get full access to more and more powers as you level up, etc.  Not WCJFH, but still something.

[shiznitz]

How about 4th ed. DnD DDO? Does Turbine's agreement prevent that? 4th ed, is definitely more MMO friendly than 3.5.

[IainC]

How about 4th ed. DnD DDO? Does Turbine's agreement prevent that? 4th ed, is definitely more MMO friendly than 3.5.

There was a quote by Scott Rouse, the D&D brand manager for WotC:

The D&D (and it's worlds like FR & EBR) rights are held by Atari. I will being meeting with them on Tuesday in NYC to talk about their plans for D&D. Bioware or EA are not working on any D&D projects so the "secret project" is something else.

[Stormwaltz]

4th ed, is definitely more MMO friendly than 3.5.

4e is actually the pen & paper port of a_random_mmg_0023.

Regardless of what the Austin game might or might not be, we don't do d20 conversion game systems anymore. Snoogins.

[shiznitz]

A denial is better than silence!

[Jimbo]

Maybe the could fix The Temple of Elemental Evil?  That was a great game, had great squad based ability, neat story, but died because of the bugs.  And did the game ever die a horible death due to bugs...

[IainC]

Maybe the could fix The Temple of Elemental Evil?  That was a great game, had great squad based ability, neat story, but died because of the bugs.  And did the game ever die a horible death due to bugs...

Pools of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor was even more broken if you can believe that.

[WayAbvPar]

I have absolutely no memory of this conversation or what prompted me to post that picture. I laughed at it and scrolled up to see who posted it...oh- I did. Old age is a bitch, I tell ya.

[WindupAtheist]

If BioWare just puts in a bunch of fairly standard MMO quests but with a choice at the end of "Dudley Do-Right" or "puppy kicking" resolutions, and tracks the aggregate results on a dark/light side meter, that alone makes it pretty different than most of what goes around.