Fucking With Greatness.

[Telemediocrity]

Round-up style post, and then I'm done with this thread for a while, at least so long as we're on fashion.  I think we've all gone through pretty much all there is to say.

Show me a candid shot of any regular Joe who's not Johnny Depp dressing like that and having it look good.  I don't think it can be done.

It's just black pin striped pants, a white shirt, and a vest. Take out the "uncool" chain wallet and boots if you must (just don't fucking wear Cons). Either way, there's nothing "period" about it.

And what's a regular Joe anyways? You've got a Jew Fro and I'm a 6'4" Half Scandi/Half Asian guy.

Heh, fair enough.  Though for me, it's the vest that does it; outside of a vest along with a full suit, I think the percentage of men who can actually pull off a vest decently is very slim, maybe one in a hundred.

You don't wear a suit to convey an impression anymore. You wear it to say "Sure, I'd bend over a table for you." You can say that's an impression, and I suppose it is, but any person with hiring power who won't hire me for not wearing a suit isn't worth my fucking time.

But Converse sneakers?

Don't be a dickhead.

The mere existence of a suit no longer conveys that impression, I'd agree.  The difference between an ill-fitting one and a really good one does say something, IMHO, in about the same way you cited the quality of your sportscoats and t-shirts.

The specific look isn't so important as whether or not a given person can pull it off.  IMHO, some of the things we've been talking about (chain wallets, boots, vests) have a very high ratio of "people who wear them" to "people who wear them well".

Also, I'd never wear converse with a suit to an interview, or to work.  For an interview, it'd be standard JAM-ish stuff, roughly along the lines Abogadro laid down.

I wear suits a lot of places.  The last time I wore a suit with converse was to a Wu-Tang Clan concert.  (And yes, I slamdanced there too, thankyouverymuch Mr. The-Jews-Can't-Have-Any-Fun)

The whole point, if you're wearing a suit, is to convey a certain impression.  It's generally a "I respect the rest of you people enough at this wedding/funeral/business meeting that I'll put on this hot, uncomfortable monkey outfit and try hard to make a good impression."

Wearing something as odd as sneakers/converse is slick and ironic, if you're young, but defeats the whole purpose in putting on the suit in the first place.

This is a primary point of differing perspectives, I guess; I've never considered suits to be uncomfortable or hot, and so I never looked at putting one on as a sacrifice.  I like ties, too.  I just look at them as nice outfits.

My final word for now about the shoes: I think you're a troll even in real life, Mediocre. Probably not as bad as on the net, but a troll nonetheless (note: I don't necessarily consider this a bad thing). If you honestly think it's OK to wear Converse shoes (especially like the ones above) with a suit, then I can't help but think that you're looking for as much attention as possible.

Thing is, you'd probably get more attention if you did the complete opposite (Hey, I think this just might be the perfect motivation for you. I should have said this before).

Quoting PJ O'Rourke from memory: "The weirder you're going to act, the more normal you should look.  The converse is also true.  When I see a person with green hair and three rings sticking out of his nose, I know there is absolutely nothing extraordinary about him."

You could even throw in almost any kind of quirky shit you want -- There just needs to be some balance -- and certain things knock the "quirky" look totally off the scale (Converse All Stars with Suit, Hip packs, Geordi Le Forge sunglasses, etc..).

Hip packs are actually making a huge comeback among Korean girls, and they rock them rather well; Big designers (and knockoff producers) are churning them out now because they're The New Thing.  I've never seen a guy pull them off well, though.

Geordi Le Forge sunglasses?  Not a bad idea, but I'm more of the Stunner Shades type (Hearken back to the hip hop thread!) - on that note, there will be an avatar update as soon as I get bluetooth permission.

[schild]

No no. You missed the point.

Don't wear Converse shoes with a suit. Period.

Hell, don't ever wear them.

You aren't black.

You aren't old school.

You're a born post-1980 white jew guy with a fro.

You've no place wearing converse shoes. Especially colored one-stars.

I don't either.

The last time I wore a suit with converse was to a Wu-Tang Clan concert.  (And yes, I slamdanced there too, thankyouverymuch Mr. The-Jews-Can't-Have-Any-Fun)

I've figured it out. Your mom didn't love you enough. No one should need that much attention. Please refer to the third point above, btw. But even then, it's questionable when black people where them. I should probably append that to say "black people who are also super skinny who are also rock stars who are also rich enough that it wouldn't matter if they replaced the one stars with burlap sacks tied off at the ankle." Even then, it's still an asshole move.

[Telemediocrity]

Black people!

[Ironwood]

No, that's the worlds first Orc-Pimp.

[Margalis]

Round-up style post, and then I'm done with this thread for a while, at least so long as we're on fashion.

Nice attempt, you let a whole one other person post before you posted again. I knew it was too good to be true.

I liked this site better before 50% of the posts were by the same self-absorbed, completely unaware troll.

What Tele doesn't realize is that the world is full of people just like him. He even quoted O'Rourke making that very point about him, but is apparently too stupid to realize that it applies to him.

Incredibly stupid people who fancy themselves clever annoy me.

[Merusk]

e making that very point about him, but is apparently too stupid to realize that it applies to him.

Thanks for pointing that out.  I just skip his posts and would have missed an incredible gem.

[Surlyboi]

I just rocked out a pair of jeans, combat boots, a pinstriped waistcoat, wide striped tie and french cuffed shirt and looked positively badass. Oh, and I'm over 30.

It's not what you wear, it's how you wear it and the confidence with which you wear it.

[WindupAtheist]

Quit "rocking" your clothing and just try wearing it.

Fuckin' kids...

[Surlyboi]

I'll stop rockin' when I'm dead, ya old myopic turd burglar. 

[Bunk]

I'm so late to this thread that there about nine different topics floating around in it.

I'm wearing Dockers and sandals (no socks). At least I don't wear sweats to work like I did in my tech support days.

Tim Burton: I've always considered myself a fan, but this thread made me want to step back and look at what he's done. I haven't seen Ed Wood, because I keep forgetting to, and Willy Wonka, because it just looks painful.

I'll take the lazy route and give ratings out of 5

Corpse Bride (2005)                     4                 
Big Fish (2003)                            3
Planet of the Apes (2001)            2
Sleepy Hollow (1999)                   3.5
Mars Attacks! (1996)                    4
Batman Returns (1992)                3
Edward Scissorhands (1990)          3.5
Batman (1989)                            4
Beetle Juice (1988)                      4
Pee-wee's Big Adventure (1985)   4
Nightmare Before Christmas           3.5

Does anyone really care? Probably not, but giving ratings is fun. His dark brooding style works for some movies (but he should have never fucked with Heston and McDowell).

Shoes - Converse have been and still are fucking clown shoes, doesn't matter what the fuck you wear them with.

Boots - some guys can pull it off, some can't. Just don't wear any goddamn shiny belt buckles unless you are a real goddam Cowboy from Calgary or one of them Texasy places. Otherwise, you look like John Travolta.

It makes me sad that Tele and Tom Baker share the same hairdo.

[stray]

Yeah, you've really got to see Ed Wood.

It's got Bill Murray and George the Animal Steele in it. And it's about....Ed Wood. Martin Landau is amazing in it. You can't go wrong.


Surlyboi and I are both Texans (I think?). Maybe that explains something..

[Ironwood]

Coincidentally, I watched Wonka again at the weekend with Elena and her cousins - all boys of varying ages from 7 to 10.

Everyone loved it.  Everyone.

It's the best goddamn adaptation of the book Evar and as for the Wonka backstory - it's almost exactly what Dahl would have written, imo. 

[Morfiend]

I really think peoples style comes a lot from where they live, and grew up. I have lived in Southern California the majority of my life, but traveled a lot. I have no problem with converse, they are a staple of SoCal, and EVERYONE had a pair growing up at some point. I think they are still decent shoes, if you have the right style. I dont wear them, I am more of a Vans guy.

Im wearing these right now.



I also had a pair of these recently.



Boots are fine, if done with jeans or black slacks. As for sandles, thongs (Flip-flops, you pervs) only and never, EVER EVER EVER with socks. Tivas scream tourist or inland dork. But I grew up in a surfing community that is close to LA, so everyone around here is pretty fashion concious.

[stray]

SoCal. Vans. The choice of Spicoli.

I used to buy Vans hightops all the time. They were never very durable for skating, but they were comfortable and cheap. Nowadays, they're extremly overpriced. I used to be able to buy two pairs at a time, for around $40 (this wasn't that long ago either). Now I can't even get one pair for that.

I never liked Chucks, but the same deal goes for them. Somehow they've gotten popular, and the prices have escalated. They're just plain canvas shoes like those Vans. They shouldn't cost any more than $25.

Anyways, I like those shoes and all, but if I'm gonna pay 40 or 50 bucks (or more), I'll get something that'll last longer.

[Paelos]

I think this look would be pretty sharp. Especially if you wanted to go with something unusual for style.

[Signe]

You would look adorable in that, Monkey Boy!

I'm serious, by the way.

[WayAbvPar]

Or maybe something like this-

[Signe]

Yes!  But it should be a bit brighter, maybe.  Paelos would look lovely in both of those outfits. 

He so cute.

[Paelos]

Yes!  But it should be a bit brighter, maybe.  Paelos would look lovely in both of those outfits. 

He so cute.

There's nothing quite like a dancing monkey in a hat.