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Jeff Kelly
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What rules do you want to change anyway? Its not that Soccer is rocket science. Put the small round thing into the large square thing.
Or to quote a very famous german coach. The ball is round A game is 90 minutes. The round has to go into the square The next game is alway the hardest Everything els is just theory
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eldaec
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Well, it was only 12 years ago that the rules were changed to ban tackling through the player (it used to be legal to scythe someone down from behind so long as you got the ball as well), plus the offside law gets tweaked every five minutes, allowing concepts like golden or silver goals gets discussed, the rule about a foul by the last defender being a red card is also relatively new, and so is the rule preventing the GK picking up a backpass etc etc etc....
Some number of rules changes get made at most IFAB meetings.
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Yes, but those rule changes suck and make soccer more boring. I repeat the question with the proper emphasis. What rules do you want to change anyway. 
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Jeff Kelly
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I have no clue as to how much of what eldaec wrote was true or untrue, but it seems unfair to label it as drivel when given a side-by-side comparison to HRose's entry. If it was the World Cup of Drivel, then HRose just bicycle-kicked his way to the title.
OK you are right. Eldaec, I apologize for labelling your post as drivel. HRose's post is still drivel however.
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Yes, but those rule changes suck and make soccer more boring. I repeat the question with the proper emphasis. What rules do you want to change anyway.  I realize that it may be the American in me talking, but there are probably a few interpretations of the rules that would do a world of good to make things less boring. -More leniency in off-sides rulings. I am not advocating an actual change of the rule, but holy crap it gets tiring to watch them raise that flag 50 times during the course of a match, especially when they only seem to get it right about half the time (maybe that's too harsh). As it is now, the defending side is almost always given the benefit of the doubt, and I think it should be the exact opposite. Give an invisible half-meter of leeway to the attacker. Another part of this rule that irritates me to no end is when you get the old bouncy ball situation down within the penalty box, where the ball is going all over the place, suddenly pops out to an attacker after hitting the post (or whatever) who then proceeds to get it into the net...only to have it called back. I know that these are offsides according to the rules, but it doesn't feel like it. Shoot, eliminate the offsides rule completely within the box. -Fouls in the penalty box that lead to instant victory. Too many questionable calls in the box that basically hand the game to one side (especially when so many of these games go 0-0). Maybe make it so that only cardable offenses lead to penalty kicks? -Player gets hurt on the field (or does he?). They call out the stretcher, perform life-sustaining CPR, haul the guy off to the sideline. Miraculously, after a quick spray with that magical cure-all aerosol thingy (what the HELL is in that can?!), the guy is ready to return to the pitch in 10 seconds. Fuck that. I'm not sure how you deal with this without penalizing teams when a player is legitimately hurt, but surely a hurt player needs more than ten seconds. Maybe he needs 5 minutes...and maybe the faker needs 5 minutes too, if you catch my drift. Okay, done ranting.
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eldaec
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-Player gets hurt on the field (or does he?). They call out the stretcher, perform life-sustaining CPR, haul the guy off to the sideline. Miraculously, after a quick spray with that magical cure-all aerosol thingy (what the HELL is in that can?!), the guy is ready to return to the pitch in 10 seconds. Fuck that. I'm not sure how you deal with this without penalizing teams when a player is legitimately hurt, but surely a hurt player needs more than ten seconds. Maybe he needs 5 minutes...and maybe the faker needs 5 minutes too, if you catch my drift. Heh, that used to be much worse, until the mid nineties you were treated on the pitch, and the game waited for you. Shortly after the rule was changed to the current version David Beckham managed to get himself booked because after picking up a knock he just walked off the pitch instead of rolling about and waiting for the stretcher. Technically I believe Micheal Owen should also have been booked in the game against Sweden for trying to do the same thing.
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Cyrrex
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Right, but that is why I posted that somewhat random idea of a 5 minute quarantine instead...the theory being that the hurt guy needs it (getting subbed out would negate the 5 min requirement), and the faker deserves it. The ref always walks over to the player and makes a quick evaluation before calling out the stretcher anyway, so that is your chance to get off your arse.
Another positive side effect would be that either the Italians would stop playing stuntman...or they would never have more than 5 or 6 guys on the pitch at any time. It's win-win.
I'm just shooting out my behind at this point. But nothing pisses me off as much as all the diving shit, and I wish they would do something about it.
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eldaec
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The problem with a system like that it sets up a situation where a player will end up standing back up too quick to avoid the 5 minutes off the field and do himself a more serious injury.
The only way to fix diving is a detailed post match video review with a one match suspension as the penalty for diving, lying to the ref, or simulating injury to a part of the body that wasn't touched.
People sometimes fall over under their own steam, and contact is almost impossible to spot when you only get one full speed view of the incident and you aren't ready for it.
If a player appeals to the ref in any way after a no-contact fall, you ban him. It's the only way.
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I think the diving is hilarious and entertaining, especially on replays where you see people get hit and react to other parts of their body or get 'knocked back' from a hit that was actually a miss. It adds some flavour and colour to the game, and an interesting dynamic of how much you can get away with, which teams push it and which don't, &c.
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They should change the rules to let England back to kick everyone ass. Everyone needs a good ass kicking, if you ask me and England needs kicking practice. Then they should tie up the refs, all of them, an leave them in a Athens locker room with their trousers at half mast and let the Greeks take care of them. That's what I think, that is! (Sorry if I was too political) What was I saying? Oh yes... have this World Cup removed and let us never speak of it again. Rugby is a much better game. And they have better adverts, anyway.
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Jeff Kelly
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Oh well, FIFA has banned Frings for the semifinal. He also got 6 months of probation but will be able to play again in the finals if we get that far. This is a hypocritical decision. On the one hand FIFA is dead against TV proofs and says that all ref decisions are sacrosanct, on the other hand players get banned retroactively because of TV footage. Well expect the Italy vs. Germany game to get really messy tommorow. The german fans will cry bloody murder because of the italian media framing Frings and I do not believe that all german players will refrain from taking it out on the italian team. Well without Frings it will get much harder to beat Italia in the semis but that is not the worst. After today I am really fearful for tomorrows match. I hope that the german fans will not do something irresponsible but that might be wishful thinking if the game goes badly for us. 
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Righ
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Italy as a nation seems to have forgotten what sport is about. It's not just football that they will take any measure to get the upper hand at. They have more credibility in their parliament than they do in any of their sports teams and associations.
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Simple change to top level soccer rules.
Add a second ref, period. I dont think having 4 linesmen would be a bad idea either but a second ref is a must-have. This world cup has proven to me that one person cannot actually be expected to cover the entire pitch. Beyond that, one ref seems to lead to a bunch of bullshit calls made on a personal level not a rules level. Make up calls, truly bizarre cardings, tons of yellows for dissention etc.
Get a second ref on the field, one for each side of the ball and watch the yellows flow for dives.
About the cup itself, here's hoping Portugal at long last remembers how to play defense, I'm not getting my hopes up but a Germany/Italy v France final sounds so lame to me I want to cry.
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Righ
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About the cup itself, here's hoping Portugal at long last remembers how to play defense, I'm not getting my hopes up but a Germany/Italy v France final sounds so lame to me I want to cry.
Why? France have played the best game of the cup so far. I want a Germany v. France final.
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Hoax
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Because I'm sick of the european super powers. All I wanted this year was for the final to not have two of the 7 fucking teams who have already won in it. Not looking too good on that front at the moment. Also who doesn't hate France? Pass me the fucking freedom fries.
P.S. No game involving Germany is ever interesting because of them; some -like the game v Argentina- are interesting in spite of them.
*edited to more closely resemble English*
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« Last Edit: July 03, 2006, 11:40:37 AM by Hoax »
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Italy as a nation seems to have forgotten what sport is about. It's not just football that they will take any measure to get the upper hand at. They have more credibility in their parliament than they do in any of their sports teams and associations.
With the match fixing investigation currently ongoing back in Italy, which involves clubs three quarters of the national squad play for, and is likely to see those players and clubs all relegated to a lower division and even the possibility of some prison sentences handed out to people they decide to make scapegoats (if a a match is fixed, players simply have to be involved, club chairman cannot do it alone) , it seems the current Italian football professionals deem winning the only thing. Shame really. When they actually forget about the acting and histrionics, they play some entertaining football.
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Tebonas
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Fucking whiny Italian bitches! I hope it won't help them amd they still get kicked out of the World Cup. If you can't win on your own merits, you shouldn't compete.
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Jeff Kelly
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If it was the World Cup of Drivel, then HRose just bicycle-kicked his way to the title. This very well could find its way into a signature. Comedy GOLD. Oh well, FIFA has banned Frings for the semifinal. He also got 6 months of probation but will be able to play again in the finals if we get that far.
This is a hypocritical decision. On the one hand FIFA is dead against TV proofs and says that all ref decisions are sacrosanct, on the other hand players get banned retroactively because of TV footage. Amen. Does this mean that England should have sent tapes of Figo's fucking headbutt in the Holland game to get him banned before their match?? God I hate the Italian and Portuguese diving. I wish serious and mortal injury whenever I see that shit. ARRGH. France played a SPECTACULAR game against Brazil. Zidane has just been a joy to watch- I will be sad to see him go. Here's to a Germany v France final (FUCK the divers), with Zidane going out a champion.
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Regarding England's exit, if Crouch and Lennon had been on from the start instead of Lampard and Beckham England would be in the semi final (where they would probably be beaten by France. Even the penalty shootout was effectively conceded by choosing a lineup with only 4 players plus Frank Lampard. bah. Also, Eriksson's press conference after the match was hilarious, espeicially where he asked everyone to not blame Rooney - NOBODY IS BLAMING ROONEY EVERYONE IS BLAMING YOU, MORON! I was amazed. Crouch was actually decent in this match, better than I've seen him the whole Cup. Lampard, though... what a fucking waste of time he was. I swear, he couldn't find the goal with the ball if the goal was as high as the stadium. He just looked completely lost out there. Beckham was pretty much a waste on the field as well, except that just about all of their scoring was because of his free kicks. That's the sad part. The team just looked unwilling to press anything. And why was Wolcott even on the team, since he never even got to warm up during a game? Is that normal? The team they put out there sucked it. There were a few decent performances, Joe and Ashley Cole, Gerrard was mostly ok, Lennon and Neville were good, and Rooney looked to be trying even though he rarely had any support. I've no idea if Owen would have helped, he got hurt too soon. The rest of the team just lollygagged about.
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Because I'm sick of the european super powers. All I wanted this year was for the final to not have two of the 7 fucking teams who have already won in it. Not looking too good on that front at the moment. Also who doesn't hate France? Pass me the fucking freedom fries.
I still think France counts as a new kid to the table. They only got that one star, and that was only 8 years ago. Their previous results have been far from "superpower" status. And I agree with you, it'd be nice to see Portugal in the final, just to shake things up a bit. But at this point, I have to root for France. They have Henry, who is without a doubt my favorite player in the world. And Zidane, who for my money is the greatest man to touch a football since Pele.
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Righ
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Because I'm sick of the european super powers. All I wanted this year was for the final to not have two of the 7 fucking teams who have already won in it. Not looking too good on that front at the moment. Also who doesn't hate France? Pass me the fucking freedom fries.
You were intimating a preference for Argentina over Germany and Brazil over France earlier. What about those two teams winning doesn't scream status quo? Having only been to the final game once each, England and France don't count as much of the World Cup Order. Even repeat losers Hungary, Holland and Czechoslovakia are more a part of the establishment. And I hope that Australia win the 2014 World Cup as hosts, he said, snubbing Brazil's bid. :P
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Jobu
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Speaking of future World Cups...
All the commentators and pundits have been talking about the next Cup being held in South Africa, and how the big teams who have been suffering in the summer heat of Germany are going to have it even rougher.
Earth to idiots. South Africa is in the Southern Hemisphere. It's a wonderfully comfortable 68-74 degrees of coastal winter right now. It's going to be an awesome venue for the World Cup. It makes me think they should hold them all in the Southern Hemisphere. It keeps the games livelier without the stifling heat.
Maybe Australia for 2018, and Brazil or someone else in the deeper bits of South America can have it for 2014. Nice and cool, southern winters. The players and teams would appreciate it more, I bet.
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Wolf
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Then they should tie up the refs, all of them, an leave them in a Athens locker room with their trousers at half mast and let the Greeks take care of them. That's what I think, that is! (Sorry if I was too political)
That would be the Turks, not the Greek. The Turks from Anadola to be exact. Wolf - providing politically incorrect local knowledge since 2006.
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« Last Edit: July 04, 2006, 01:37:01 AM by Wolf »
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As a matter of fact I swallowed one of these about two hours ago and the explanation is that it is, in fact, my hand.
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Beckham was pretty much a waste on the field as well, except that just about all of their scoring was because of his free kicks. That's the sad part. The team just looked unwilling to press anything. And why was Wolcott even on the team, since he never even got to warm up during a game? Is that normal? It is normal for a significant proportion of the squad to never play (there were 23 players in that squad after all). It's not normal for someone to be taken who wouldn't be played under any other circumstances other than perhaps when 4-0 up in order to give him a run out. As for Beckham, while he got a goal and 2 assists, the reason that turned out to be such a high proportion of the total is that neither he nor Joe Cole was capable of bringing the central midfield into play, they both insisted on tonking high balls up to Crouch the whole time (who, isn't actually that good in the air remember). When Lennon was on the pitch he looked much less like scoring himself, but was much better at bringing the rest of the team into play. If Lennon had been playing then Rooney, Gerrard, and Crouch would have been even more effective. The reason Crouch was at his best vs Portugal was that Beckham and Joe Cole were off the field.
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So. At half time I say that both Germany and Italy played pretty much on the same level. It's a good match till now, well balanced. Italy had a few more occasions but Germany got a couple of more dangerous ones.
I guess by now you are already all yelling savagely at Totti's diving and the yellow card ;p (but then it's again rules that, like em or not, do exist in this game. You cannot tackle from behind, miss the ball and hit the legs)
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Der Helm
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I am nervous, games like that tear on my nerves.
I guess I am to old for this shit.
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Horik
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Damn.
I didn't want Italy to win but that first goal was beautiful.
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Der Helm
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So much for that. We are out. Third place here we come.
Great game by both teams, great goals from Italy.
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As much as i dislike italy i gotta say they earned that one. Both of those goals where beautifull.
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Wolf
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Now, that was an awesome game.
I didn't really see what was so good about brazil-france, as brazil didn't show up at all. BUT THAT GAME WAS AMAZING. If you didn't love every second of it, you don't love football. Plus I was rooting for Italy, so I woke up half the neighbourhood when they scored the first goal :)
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HRose
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WOOT! Italy in finals :)
The second half time Germany was much more aggressive and Italy seemed much more tired, even if they defended well. Then the extra times they woke up, hit one pole (or whatever you call that), hit the traverse and then got more juicy occasions.
I guess Germany went out of fuel.
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Der Helm
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I guess Germany went out of fuel.
Certainly looked like it.
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Gah I hate the damn Italian divers but they earned this win unlike the penalty free win pass go to the final whistle game.
The goal by Grosso was very nice, and the Italians had two chances deflected by the woodwork.
GO FRANCE!!!! :-D
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