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Johny Cee
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Here is where an ignorant American makes suggestions that won't work about a game he does not understand:
1. When somebody goes down injured or the ball goes out of bounds, blow the whistle and stop the clock. This prevents people from wasting time and taking advantage of the fact that stoppage time never seems to be long enough. It also gets rid of the "how long can I waste time and pretend I'm looking for a guy to inbound this ball to before I get a yellow card" minigame. Or just keep more precise stoppage time.
2. Would a halfcourt rule a la basketball (i.e. once you take the ball to the offensive half of the field, you cannot kick it back into your defensive end) help cut down on the "kicking it backwards and around to run down the clock" issue (or is that not considered to be an issue by most people?). Or would the costs (e.g. allowing defenders to trap offensive players as they come across the midfield line) be even worse?
1) personally I agree, most of the world disagrees however. /shrug 2) Not really, football isn't a territorial game, it's a possession game, doing this would force people to play for territory by just hoofing upfield in order to get away from the half-way line. Poncing about with the ball around the half way line is a valid tactic anyhow, the best teams use it to pull the other team out of position before moving forward. Speaking as an American, I think we're just not wired well for possession over territorial games. All our popular sports emphasize position more than possession. It was really tough to change the way I thought when I played rugby in college. The instinct is to charge down the field, when you want to advance while maintaining solid possession and sucking in the opposing linies to create gaps and have the scrummies pummel them a bit.
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Germany vs Argentina- Argentina (especially if they get a clue and play Messi and Tevez more than 10 minutes)
Italy vs Ukraine- Italy seems to have a horseshoe stuck up their ass (and a large retainer paid to the refs), so I guess they go through
England vs Portugal- England. Portugal and their thuggish tactics are crippled by missing players, thankfully.
Brazil vs France- Brazil, although I will root like hell for France. I love watching Zidane and Henry play.
If someone spoils any game other than Italy v Ukraine (the one I easily care the least about), I cannot be held responsible for my actions. Not that any of the folks who post in this thread would- it is others that worry me.
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Jeff Kelly
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Germany vs Argentina- Argentina (especially if they get a clue and play Messi and Tevez more than 10 minutes)
I surely hope not. Germany FTW ;-). Well I will watch the game in one of the large public viewing areas here in Nuremberg. So I will most probably be too drunk to spoil anything. Either because we are celebrating Germanys victory or to drown the sorrow in alcohol.
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If someone spoils any game other than Italy v Ukraine (the one I easily care the least about), I cannot be held responsible for my actions. Not that any of the folks who post in this thread would- it is others that worry me.
This is the "2006 World Cup Chock full o' spoilers thread" ...
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Signe
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If someone spoils any game other than Italy v Ukraine (the one I easily care the least about), I cannot be held responsible for my actions. Not that any of the folks who post in this thread would- it is others that worry me.
This is the "2006 World Cup Chock full o' spoilers thread" ... Hush! You ruined the fun! Tattletale.
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If someone spoils any game other than Italy v Ukraine (the one I easily care the least about), I cannot be held responsible for my actions. Not that any of the folks who post in this thread would- it is others that worry me.
This is the "2006 World Cup Chock full o' spoilers thread" ... Heh. I was referring the trollish fuckwit that mentioned the Brazil v Ghana result in a thread in MMOG. Grrrr.
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Cyrrex
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Germany vs Argentina- Argentina (especially if they get a clue and play Messi and Tevez more than 10 minutes)
What you said. I would start both of those guys, in favor of basically anyone on their squad (or, yeah, play them a whole lot more than 10 mins). Tevez is just a total playmaker and trying to defend Messi must be about the most demoralizing thing imaginable.
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Germany - Argentina Close match, early goals by Klose and Schweinsteiger are equalized through a failing defene. A goal by Messi a.e.t.
Italy - Ukraine Too much defense, too much Totti, too much diving.
England - Portugal The ride's about to end, but not today. A depleted Portugese team still manages to get Ing-er-land on the ropes, but a late goal lallows the Brits to be smoked by either:
Brazil - France Something tells me to pick France. Maybe it's the fact that Brazil hasn't won a cup in Europe since the 50's. But even if Ronaldo is munching an entire box of Krispy Kreme's finest before the match, I can't pick against him and Ronaldihno. Even though there was some friction evident in the waning moments against Ghana, I think they make it through.
Looking forward to tomorrow. :)
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Wolf
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Germany - Argentina was an awesome game. Ballak should've gotten a yellow card for that dive though. I didn't get that at all - why the hell call the dive and not give a card when you did the same thing 10 minutes ago.
I was rooting for Argentina, so I'm a bit down right now.
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sigil
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What was up with the dustup after the penalites?
And I think Peckerman, what a name, has to be held accountable for not getting Messi in the match with one of the subs, even if you did have to pull Abbondanzieri.
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Hoax
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I hate Germany.
It is far too early for Argentina to be sent home. Which makes me hate Italy even more for getting to play Ukraine in the round of eight.
If France and England win I'm going to just quit watching...
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Jeff Kelly
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WoW Germany vs. Argentina was just awesome.
A pity though that we had to face Argentina in the Quarterfinals, this would have been a very good final.
Italy had not much work to do to beat Ukraine
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Righ
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I agree. Germany finally stepped up their game. Ballack and Klose were great of course, but what made all the difference in the world was Germany's defense. They're finally starting to show that they have the ability to realise the potential of this team.
I hope England improve as much tomorrow. Italy were disappointing again - a few minutes of brilliance at the start of each half. I guess that's all they needed.
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I think argentina would have won if Messi hadn't sat the whole game. I know they lost two changes due to injuries but putting in that other guy... Cruz? i think, instead of Messi on the last one was a horrible mistake. Hell, not having your best player on the starting lineup is pretty fucked up to begin with.
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Abagadro
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Italy and Portugal in the semis. They should change the name to Divers 2006.
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Righ
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So, we've got an improving Germany against a mediocre Italy. Now a dull Portugal go through. Neither Portugal nor England were able to win a game against poor defense. It looks like the best that we can hope for is a Germany vs. Brazil final.
Rooney's sending off was well deserved (assuming that the ref did it for the stomp to the goolies, and not the girly shove) but it should never have happened. He should have been yellow carded ten seconds before that.
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He should have been yellow carded ten seconds before that. Ya. That play got out of hand because the ref swallowed his whistle. It was a 3 person scrum for a good 5 seconds before the offending boot to the groin. That puss Ronaldo of course had to run up and stick his beak into the melee after the action and escalate it too.
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Horik
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I'd be curious to see if Rooney gets the same treatment from the English press Beckham did in 1998. I'm betting they go soft on him.
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Signe
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I'd be curious to see if Rooney gets the same treatment from the English press Beckham did in 1998. I'm betting they go soft on him.
I already hate him, just like I hated Beckham back then. I'll get over it. Mostly. Maybe.
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Righ
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That was fine football, the best game of the cup so far. France were magnificent today. They just showed how much a team can improve from the group stages. More of the same in the semi-finals please.
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Abagadro
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That was indeed a beautiful game. About time one showed up in this Cup. Zidane was unbelievable.
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Brazil's shots on goals -1
France shut down Brazil consistently the entire game. That, combined with Zidane's wizardry were the keys to victory, from my point of view.
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HRose
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What was up with Italy and the thumb thing at the end? Wasn't able to watch the game, but all the pictures have the Italian players with their thumbs in their mouths.
Lol, it's just that Totti's wife had a child recently and he dedicated the goal to him. It's not a trumpet :D
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Signe
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It was a Spanish bloke who started it a while back, no? He dedicated his goals to his kid who always sucked his thumb. I could probably find it via google but I can't be arsed. I just remember that it's been copied numerous times since then.
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Did anyone else catch on the ESPN commentary after Rooney stamped that guy's nuts? The commentator was like, "Yeah, Rooney is from Liverpool, a real scouser." Kind of implying that's the reason he made such a thuggish foul. And then I think he realized the somewhat inflammatory way he said it, his tone kind of trailed off. I got a chuckle out of it.
France vs. Germany then? If France keep playing like that... it's going to be an awesome final for sure. I'd love to see Zizou retire in a final, he's just so entertaining to watch.
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HRose
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Here is where an ignorant American makes suggestions that won't work about a game he does not understand:
1. When somebody goes down injured or the ball goes out of bounds, blow the whistle and stop the clock. This prevents people from wasting time and taking advantage of the fact that stoppage time never seems to be long enough. It also gets rid of the "how long can I waste time and pretend I'm looking for a guy to inbound this ball to before I get a yellow card" minigame. Or just keep more precise stoppage time.
2. Would a halfcourt rule a la basketball (i.e. once you take the ball to the offensive half of the field, you cannot kick it back into your defensive end) help cut down on the "kicking it backwards and around to run down the clock" issue (or is that not considered to be an issue by most people?). Or would the costs (e.g. allowing defenders to trap offensive players as they come across the midfield line) be even worse? These don't work simply because soccer is based on other cultural influences. So that's not the goal. The american football is like a mmorpg treadmill. You are forced to move forward, progress. If you move backwards it means you are losing, like losing experience when you die in a mmorpg. This type of movement is a simulation of a deep cultural influence that in definitely based on a constant, unrestrainable "progress". The idea that America is helped by God along the way and will always overcome the difficulties. "Moving forward" as the only real goal. The "game" is just a "rite" to reenact what is part of America's past and culture. In this case the conquest of the west. A vertical front that moves onward, building railroads along the way with all the people following those locomotives and building mobile villages along. The "west" was the promised land. An Eden on earth. Then they reached the opposite side and this model faced a crisis. But America is big, so there's always a "somewhere else" where you can go. In fact in the American cities you don't see "integration". You see specialized areas: Chinatown, Little Italy, towns with people with pets, towns with people with no pets. The soccer is traditionally more European and even this because of cultural values. Europe is smaller than America and packed with people. You couldn't go somewhere else, you couldn't go hide or ignore something. You were surrounded. And this is why soccer doesn't symbolize a continue, constant and infinite progress, but instead diplomacy and politics (something, uhm, lacking in the US). That's why the game is less territorial, more variable and mobile and where you can even lose time through the possess of the ball. There are more complex and intricate dynamics, a more tactical approach. These are all elements that aren't justified by a "fun" game. The rules aren't set by a designer to be "fun". But to symbolize those precise cultural values.
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Rasix
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How many different ways did he just lose the internet with that post? Person to find them all gets a cookie.
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Um, lots.
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Cyrrex
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The first sentence was almost interesting. And then it all went down hill from there. Chinatown, Little Italy, towns with people with pets, towns with people with no pets. I remember the last time I went through a town with people with no pets. It was spooky, what with all the dogs that weren't barking and all the people just standing around. Reminded me a lot of American Football.
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Jeff Kelly
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Well the italian team keeps on doing what it does best. Being complete fuckwads and using every cheap trick possible to get an advantage over another team.
Well, after the Germany vs. Argentina match things got a bit out of hand. A couple of Argentinian players started a minor fight but things broke up after a few seconds. Unfortunately an Argentinian player was booked with a red for assaulting a german player. FIFA had claimed on sunday that they would close investigations into the subject and that no other member of the German or Argentinian team would face any repercussions
After looking very hard for three days the Italians claim that they have found proof that one of the German players hit one of the Argentinian players in the face and they are now demanding that the respective player should be banned from the tournament because of that. The player in question is Torsten Frings one of the key players on the german team.
Sky Italia claims to have TV footage showing that Frings hits the Argentinian player Cruz. I will provide the picture if I can find it.
Cruz on the other hand claims that Frings hasn't hit him. The German team managers have until 13:00 to respond to the accusations, the decision will be announced before 18:30 on monday.
If Frings is found guilty he will face at least a 6 games ban and will not be able to play the rest of the world cup.
Just to be clear. I do not condone violence on the pitch. If Frings has actually hit the Argentinian player then he has to face the consequences of his actions but it is cheap for the Italians to try to get an advantage of the germans by framing one of our players.
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The rules aren't set by a designer to be "fun". But to symbolize those precise cultural values. Fricking comedy gold. The basic rules are set according to what a few english teams in the 19th century thought would benefit them the most. They are refined by a badly run commitee of the British FAs and FIFA based mostly on the principles of money and self-interest. Despite this it all seems to just about work. To be fair I suppose this does reflect well the decision making processes of the EU, if not of actual european culture. Back to the actual World Cup, it's got to be Germany all the way now, Italy don't have enough to stop them, and while France will glide past an average Portugal, I don't see them improving enough to beat Germany in the final. A 3rd place play off between Italy and Portugal will be hilarious, I will be surprised if either team finish with more than 9 players. Regarding England's exit, if Crouch and Lennon had been on from the start instead of Lampard and Beckham England would be in the semi final (where they would probably be beaten by France. Even the penalty shootout was effectively conceded by choosing a lineup with only 4 players plus Frank Lampard. bah. Also, Eriksson's press conference after the match was hilarious, espeicially where he asked everyone to not blame Rooney - NOBODY IS BLAMING ROONEY EVERYONE IS BLAMING YOU, MORON! Finally, the Argentinian who ref'd England vs Portugal should get the final - best refereeing performance I've seen so far, he dealt with all the Portugese diving and Rooney's stamp, really well.
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Jeff Kelly
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They are refined by a badly run commitee of the British FAs and FIFA based mostly on the principles of money and self-interest. Despite this it all seems to just about work.
The FIFA is the Association of all national football associations (fédération internationale de football association. So stating that the rules are refined by the british FAs and the FIFA is incorrect since the british FAs are part of the FIFA, as are the german FA, the french FA and every other FA in the world. All in all there are 207 FAs organised in the FIFA. The executive committee consists of representatives of all the major FAs (24 overall) and from Great Britain only scotland is part of the EC. Look at www.fifa.com for further info. To be fair I suppose this does reflect well the decision making processes of the EU, if not of actual european culture.
Could we please keep politics out of the so far very nice world cup thread. Especially if it is such drivel as your statement or the one by HRose?
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Cyrrex
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Could we please keep politics out of the so far very nice world cup thread. Especially if it is such drivel as your statement or the one by HRose? I have no clue as to how much of what eldaec wrote was true or untrue, but it seems unfair to label it as drivel when given a side-by-side comparison to HRose's entry. If it was the World Cup of Drivel, then HRose just bicycle-kicked his way to the title. Back on topic: I can't bring myself to root for the Germans (I find their style a bit boring), but I am not sure I have a choice. Portugal would have once been the obvious choice as an underdog you could get behind, but the thuggery and theatrics they have displayed has been a major turnoff. Italy would be a great team to root for - because they actually play exciting football - if only they'd stop acting like a bunch of bitches all the time. ALL THE TIME. Stop it already, Italy. France would be a good team to root for, with all the over-achieving they are doing with their geriatric squad. Also, Zidane on the top of his game is a sight to behold, and he tends to bring the good stuff for the big games...he basically humiliated Brazil. They've had their day in the sun, though. So yeah, go Germany. I guess.
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The FIFA is the Association of all national football associations (fédération internationale de football association. So stating that the rules are refined by the british FAs and the FIFA is incorrect since the british FAs are part of the FIFA, as are the german FA, the french FA and every other FA in the world. All in all there are 207 FAs organised in the FIFA. I was referring to the international board - which sets the laws of the game, for historical reasons the rules are still set by a commitee of the English, Welsh, Scottish, and Northern Irish FAs plus 4 FIFA nominees. The board meets annually (I think) and can change the rules if 6 of the 8 agree. The fifa executive runs the game, but can't change the rules.
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What rules do you want to change anyway? Its not that Soccer is rocket science. Put the small round thing into the large square thing.
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