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Reply #1190 on: April 09, 2008, 07:38:12 AM

Screw Lucas. Go see The Hammer.

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Reply #1191 on: April 09, 2008, 07:54:05 AM

The thing i always loved about Starwars was how everyone was like "Woo hoo, we have discovered the chosen one, destined to bring balance to the force", yet none of their great, wise leaders, with TONS of experience and wisdom, seemed to put two and two together that nature, when balancing forces tends to go about this by evening out the opposites till their sum equals zero. 

When one side is LOADS of Jedi, who have been so entrenched in power for so long that they are a household name and the other is tiny groups of sith, operating in the shadows for so long even the Jedi have practically forgot about them, there is really only one effective way a single "chose one" is going to "balance" that equation.  (here's a hint: Padme isn't THAT fertile)

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Reply #1192 on: April 09, 2008, 09:01:56 AM

According to friends of mine who have read the novelizations of the last 2 Star Wars movies, the turning of Anakin took place over a long period of time, and was much more involved and manipulative on the Emperor's part. The movie did a SHITTY SHIT SHIT SHIT job of explaining that there was any real manipulation at all, or that any time passed between Anakin's good and evil phase. But really, he was just a whiny little dick and as a result, it wouldn't have mattered if the movie was paced right or not. The actor couldn't pull it off even if it had been written worth a shit (which it wasn't).

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Reply #1193 on: April 09, 2008, 09:28:05 AM

It's a combination of things.
  1) There should have been a whole movie dedicated to his turning in and of itself.  The sum total in ROTS was about 10-20 minutes of a 2:15 film.
  2) Lucas is a horrible, horrible writer. He didn't write any of the movies after Star Wars, and large chunks of the quality of that movie are attributable to myths and operas he meshed together.  He came up with the Story for everything after that, but someone else wrote it.  Until the prequels.  For some asinine reason, he thought he could write, and we see the result.
  3) He's gotten into the 'overly concerned meddler' phase that all the Baby Boomers seem to be entering.  So we get stupid changes like Greedo shoots first and the FBI guys have walkie-talkies in  E.T.  Things that were seens as OK and appropriate in the 70's and 80's are now too dangerous for little Bobby and Susie to see, which is going to cripple the writing (such as it is).  There's going to be a big lack of complexity and things are going to be too cartony black-and-white.. meaning bullshit like "Oh hey I'm good! BUT NOW I'M EVIL!!! YAR, WATCH ME SLAUGHTER CHILDREN!!"  No middle ground.  awesome, for real
  4) Yes, bad actor.  My god, he's horrible. I'd wonder if it was the direction, but even hammy bullshit like Palpatine's "UNLIMITED POWAH!!!" was pulled-off by better actors.

The prequels also didn't touch on the whole thing about Obi-Wan's arrogance in thinking that he was as good a teacher as Yoda and was unable to keep Anakin in check. 

They do, but not well.  Again, part because of the actor involved and part because of writing.  All those times Obi Wan calls Anakin "my young apprentice" or "My VERY young apprentice" ( awesome, for real)  while chiding him for something he did were meant to convey this.  They fail bigtime for anyone but huge SW freaks looking for such details as a way to redeem the movies.  Ohhhhh, I see.

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Reply #1194 on: April 09, 2008, 09:43:06 AM

4) Yes, bad actor.  My god, he's horrible. I'd wonder if it was the direction, but even hammy bullshit like Palpatine's "UNLIMITED POWAH!!!" was pulled-off by better actors.

It wasn't the direction. Ok, the shitty direction didn't help Christensen AT ALL, but he really just sucks as an actor. Jumper would have been better with a different actor in the main role (though really, it needed some serious story help first). At least I wouldn't have wanted to stab the main character over and over again.

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Reply #1195 on: April 09, 2008, 11:59:47 AM

The thing i always loved about Starwars was how everyone was like "Woo hoo, we have discovered the chosen one, destined to bring balance to the force", yet none of their great, wise leaders, with TONS of experience and wisdom, seemed to put two and two together that nature, when balancing forces tends to go about this by evening out the opposites till their sum equals zero. 

When one side is LOADS of Jedi, who have been so entrenched in power for so long that they are a household name and the other is tiny groups of sith, operating in the shadows for so long even the Jedi have practically forgot about them, there is really only one effective way a single "chose one" is going to "balance" that equation.  (here's a hint: Padme isn't THAT fertile)

All well and good except it is wrong. It was specifically said, in interviews and in the novels, that the way to balance the force was to finish off the Sith. That the rise of Palpatine was what was causing the imbalance in the first place and not the relative numbers between the two groups. Now, if you want to say the movies failed because they didn't make this clear then I'd agree but your argument is wrong. Though it's not uncommon to see and in fact is what I thought until I saw a couple of interviews and read the novels.

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Reply #1196 on: April 09, 2008, 12:09:30 PM

Since they balanced it through the method we think 'balance' means, I'd say we're right. Grin

Maybe that's what all those silly Jedi thought and the writers meant, but look what good their skewed sense did them.  Even the crappy writers got it right, whether accidental or not.

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Reply #1197 on: April 09, 2008, 12:21:24 PM


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Reply #1198 on: April 09, 2008, 03:03:38 PM


That dude really needs to get out more.  Its a movie ferchrissake.  Hes right - in 'tha future' robots probably will talk to each other using 802.11g or something like it - but guess what, that would make a really fucking boring movie watching C3PO and R2D2 communicate wirelessly.

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Reply #1199 on: April 09, 2008, 03:28:44 PM


That dude really needs to get out more.  Its a movie ferchrissake.  Hes right - in 'tha future' robots probably will talk to each other using 802.11g or something like it - but guess what, that would make a really fucking boring movie watching C3PO and R2D2 communicate wirelessly.

Jesus.

Seriously. Some interesting points were made, but way too Comic Book Guy in tone.

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Reply #1200 on: April 09, 2008, 03:50:51 PM

I found another cantidate for internet face-stabbing when that technology is advanced.  I'm sure he'll love it!

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Reply #1201 on: April 11, 2008, 05:47:47 AM

http://streetfightermovie.net/

It's got the chick from Smallville and seems to center on Chun Li. Maybe it will be fun to watch in that "it's so bad but I enjoy it way" that DOA had.

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Reply #1202 on: April 11, 2008, 06:44:41 AM

It lists Dion Lam as the choreographer for the Matrix, but he was just assisting. It was Yuen Wo Ping responsible for that stuff (and a whole slew of good shit).

I like smallville, but Kristin Kruek is a pretty hammy actress. And not all that hot, as far potential chun-li's go. She's leaving smallville finally, which is good.

The chick who played in the first was actually perfect imo. Even had the muscles for it.



Uh, not that good casting made it good or anything.
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Reply #1203 on: April 11, 2008, 01:53:14 PM

But did she have the thighs?  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?
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Reply #1204 on: April 11, 2008, 05:42:00 PM

The only thing I liked about ROTS was the green Jedi chick who was onscreen for 5 seconds before being offed. She had a nice hips and ass. That was seriously it.

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Reply #1205 on: April 11, 2008, 09:29:20 PM

Funny. The actress was actually just an ILM production asst.

I thought that whole sequence was pretty cool (Order 66?).

But did she have the thighs?  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?

Is that a request?  Oh ho ho ho. Reallllly?



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Reply #1206 on: April 11, 2008, 09:39:00 PM

Funny. The actress was actually just an ILM production asst.

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Reply #1207 on: April 13, 2008, 06:10:49 AM

A little late here, but... Knocked Up is EXCELLENT. I wonder what else is floating in the head of Judd Apatow? Seems like that guy can do no wrong.
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Reply #1208 on: April 13, 2008, 08:32:22 AM

His next one, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, comes out next week and is getting very good advanced reviews.

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Reply #1209 on: April 13, 2008, 07:46:18 PM

Ah yeah... Hmm, well the previews don't make me want to see it particularly, but I think I said the same about 40 Yr Old Virgin and Knocked Up as well. Maybe it's the actor. He didn't really stand out in Superbad or Knocked Up for me.

I will give it a chance though.
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Reply #1210 on: April 13, 2008, 08:05:56 PM

lol you said kristin kreuk isn't hot

hahahahahahahahahahha

that's a good one
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Reply #1211 on: April 13, 2008, 08:11:37 PM

I direct you to the Eurasian Nation boards. Heh. We Eurasians seem to be a little more prejudiced to those of our kind. Or rather, maybe we're just more discerning. Definitely don't succumb to fetish territory like everyone else.

You could call that weird, I don't care. I don't understand it myself really.


As for the chick above, she's full Asian (which may have something to do with it), but also, she's fit as hell. I'd like her more just by virtue of her being able to seriously kick Kristin Kreuk's ass.
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Reply #1212 on: April 14, 2008, 06:45:11 AM

Also, those Speed Racer clips I'm catching on TV look kick ass. Might be fun.. And if anything, a visual feast.
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Reply #1213 on: April 14, 2008, 06:53:48 AM

I do not know if speed racer the movie is some sort of genius camp or if it is proof of the Wachowski's final decline into insanity.
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Reply #1214 on: April 14, 2008, 07:21:18 AM

The Speed Racer trailers are unwatchable for me.

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Reply #1215 on: April 14, 2008, 07:22:03 AM

John Goodman is in it, so I'd say it'll be worth the ticket. I'm kinda surprised they haven't gone 3D with the project.

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Reply #1216 on: April 14, 2008, 07:37:16 AM

Huh, apparently this was going to be made in the 90's, with Johnny Depp as Speed and Henry Rollins as Racer X. Fuck, that would have kicked ass!

Matthew Fox is Racer X in this one. Hmm..
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Reply #1217 on: April 14, 2008, 08:06:28 AM

His next one, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, comes out next week and is getting very good advanced reviews.

Unfortunately it has Russel Brand in it, who is insufferable.

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Reply #1218 on: April 14, 2008, 08:22:15 AM

I forget who mentioned Soutland Tales on here a few weeks back, but I can recommend this movie. It's trippy as hell, and at times hard to follow, but like Donnie Darko, I think it will reward repeat viewing. Also, the Rock is funny in this one.

Knocked Up was so boring, I couldn't finish it. I really wanted to like it, but just didn't.

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Reply #1219 on: April 14, 2008, 09:03:13 AM

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Knocked Up was so boring, I couldn't finish it. I really wanted to like it, but just didn't.

Really? It wasn't quite as funny as 40YOV, but it was damned funny and had some nice moments in it as well. I also  Heart Katherine Heigl (I have actually sat through an episode or two of her godawful show just to catch a glimpse!), so that might have influenced me.

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Reply #1220 on: April 14, 2008, 09:06:38 AM

It's not a bad show really (no, I don't watch it a lot..but all of my friends do, so I catch it sometimes). I doubt she'll be on there much longer though.

Knocked Up, to me, is one of those rare 4 star comedies, like Zoolander, Groundhog Day, and yes, 40 Year Old Virgin.
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Reply #1221 on: April 14, 2008, 09:49:22 AM

Knocked Up is 100 times funnier if you've actually had kids.  A group of us from work watched it, and the 2 of us with kids thought it was hilarious, while the single guy didn't find it funny at all and the married-but-childless woman thought the relationship parts were funny.

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Reply #1222 on: April 14, 2008, 09:54:04 AM

I hang around a lot of kids, wouldn't [mind] my own... Maybe that's part of it. Still funny on other levels though, I think. Apatow writes off-the-wall comedy, that's also very realistic. Which just makes it funnier. Also, that it's realistic makes his stories more touching than the average comedy. Good stuff.

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Reply #1223 on: April 14, 2008, 01:15:31 PM

See, Knoicked up was epic fail from the beginning because I never got the relationship between the main characters. Why were they together? The one night stand part was believable, but after that, what justified the two them staying together? Nothing in their chemistry told me these two characters should or would ever stay together just because there was a baby there. The basic premise of the comedy I just didn't buy. I thought the parts with the web site were funny enough, but it wasn't enough to hang a movie on.

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Reply #1224 on: April 14, 2008, 01:36:40 PM

Well, you should keep watching it then. It addresses that.
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