Gaymers force Blizzard into submission

[cevik]

Better the one bigot acts up then 20 bigots in general. You can then /report said bigot for harrassment and it's a lot quieter for the other people in the game who really don't give a fuck.

Or you can say the simple line I quoted above (that came from the CSR that did the banning) and anyone who acts like a retard can be /reported.

[cevik]

Page 7, yay!

BTW:  The people on the vault aren't as retarded as you guys when it comes to this.  It's a sad state to see more bigots arguing the gays should stfu here on f13 than on the vault.  A sad day indeed.

[HaemishM]

Page 7, yay!

BTW:  The people on the vault aren't as retarded as you guys when it comes to this.  It's a sad state to see more bigots arguing the gays should stfu here on f13 than on the vault.  A sad day indeed.

The only one who has said that is you.

[Hoax]

If they really didn't give a fuck and wanted a quiet game they would have /left 1 a long fucking time ago.

So really this isn't about people who dont want to deal with general this is about people who dont want to deal with homosexuality in their video games.

I pointed out my own hypocrisy in the fact that while I'll fight for these people's rights to have a LGBT friendly guild (I can see the need for this) I think that anyone who uses Azn, Boi or Flip in their internet handle is a fucking twat of the highest degree.  If Chinaman or Chink was used anywhere near as often by the common internet gamer as fag and gay are then I would be forced to accept that at this time the general culture of gaming is not tolerant enough to not force people to bring race into my video game.

But your position runs completely opposite of that logic, the LGBT friendly folks should walk on eggshells because such a large % of the WoW population has bigot tendencies?  They should follow rules that dont apply to other people, for the sake of maintaining the peace?  That is just fucking horseshit, and I will never agree with it.

P.S.  Add twat to the dictionary kplzthx

[HaemishM]

So really this isn't about people who dont want to deal with general this is about people who dont want to deal with REAL WORLD SHIT in their video games' GENERAL CHAT CHANNELS.

Fixed it to actually reflect what I've been trying to say this whole goddamn thread that very few of your motherfuckers seem to understand.

Yeah, that's what I want. Every gay should hide their special and unique gay light under a bushel. That's exactly what I've said.

[cevik]

Page 7, yay!

BTW:  The people on the vault aren't as retarded as you guys when it comes to this.  It's a sad state to see more bigots arguing the gays should stfu here on f13 than on the vault.  A sad day indeed.

The only one who has said that is you.

Once again for people playing MMOG games.

I play these games to get away from the real life political bullshit that you are trying to integrate into my gaming experience. I don't care if your dwarf warrior likes assplay. I want to play the game and not think of you as a deviant. Thanks.

Please stop talking about yourself.

Paelos doesn't want to hear it in game. I don't want to hear it in-game.

If someone wants to stick their pecker in another mans ass, far be it from me to tell them they can't.  Just don't tell me its normal to WANT to do so, 'kay?

Agree.  But I also don't agree with someone continually pushing their sexuality in my face to the point where it defines everything that they are as a individual. 

without ever saying "GLBT" in general chat.

That a load of horseshit.  The moment you make an organization which labels itself based upon a sexual identity the collective 'you' that participates in that group is creating the stage for being an advocacy political group.

Are we reading the same thread?

[HaemishM]

In general chat channels. I said nothing about STFU forever and ever and never mention their gayness again. You said that, not me.

When did Gay become a political identity in this fucking country? And who made it that way?

Republicans.

[cevik]

In general chat channels. I said nothing about STFU forever and ever and never mention their gayness again. You said that, not me.

Uhh, since you are now being EXTREMELY overly absurdly pendantic, I must point out that what you quoted from me said this:

Page 7, yay!

BTW: The people on the vault aren't as retarded as you guys when it comes to this. It's a sad state to see more bigots arguing the gays should stfu here on f13 than on the vault. A sad day indeed.

EDIT: 

IDIOT #1: "GAYS SHUT UP"
Me:  "So your argument is that gays should shut up"
IDIOT #1:  "I R TEH NEVAR SAID THAT!1!"
Me:  "quote:  'GAYS SHUT UP'"
IDIOT #1:  "YAH WEEL I R TEH MEANT ONLY IN PUBIC!"

[Hoax]

So really this isn't about people who dont want to deal with general this is about people who dont want to deal with REAL WORLD SHIT in their video games' GENERAL CHAT CHANNELS.

Fixed it to actually reflect what I've been trying to say this whole goddamn thread that very few of your motherfuckers seem to understand.

Yeah, that's what I want. Every gay should hide their special and unique gay light under a bushel. That's exactly what I've said.

That logic was already soundly trounced in my mind by the multiple examples of guild's using RL data to find perspective members that would be perfectly acceptable to all you fuckers.

Please explain why it is ok to advertise recruitment based on:
-Timezones
-Age (mature guilds)
-Sex (female only guilds)
-Country of origin
-Language acceptable in /g (no l33t speak)
-Religion

Now sure you can pick a few of these and say "no thats not ok" but if you can't tell me that ALL of those aren't ok then your standards make no fucking sense.

If you even dare follow this up with:  Well tell them to stop spamming guild recruitment in general I'm going to fucking kill you.  THERE WAS NO GUILD RECRUITMENT CHANNEL AT THE TIME, anyone who was willing or desperate enough to wade through the fucking masses advertised in general because that was the only way to do it.

That completely fucks over this point:

Change the equation. Make I a raging homophobe. Fuck it, why don't you make I into Paelos, who really doesn't want to hear about gay people in general chat, since a PLAYER'S SEXUALITY HAS FUCKALL TO DO WITH THE FUCKING GAME, YOU DUMB CUNTSLAPPERS. Make X's statement [the initial tell after somebody had asked for information about the guild] be "We are a Gay, lesbian and transgender friendly guild" and yes, you do have something people can be upset about.

So now we are back to this point:

I didn't. I never said they shouldn't have their own guild, or that the formation of a guild was bad. I didn't even say that recruiting for their guild was bad, just the method in which they chose to do it. It's a method that insures eventually there will be needless fucking drama started. Drama that has nothing to do with the game or the world. I see no lore in WoW that says homosexuals, lesbians or transgenered folk are persecuted or that they even exist (or don't) in the world of Azeroth. So how exactly is advertising for a GLBT-friendly guild helping serve the lore? Oh wait, IT ISN'T. Just like yelling about the Steelers winning the Super Bowl in general chat isn't serving the lore. I'd love for people that do that to be banned too. I suppose that means I'm for the gassing of football fans or maybe just Steelers' fans.

So we are telling gay people to stfu and stop telling us they are gay because we are protecting the fucking RP'ers?

You must be goddamn kidding me.

[Lantyssa]

No one respects the RP'ers.  Even on an RP server. 

[Numtini]

When did Gay become a political identity in this fucking country?

June 28, 1969 1:20am.

[El Gallo]

Pls add "gaymer" to spellcheck thx

[Azazel]

The argument... she makes the circle...

It was going in circles before you trolled in and that didn't stop you.

Actually, I was posting on this thread back on page one. And had several costs with content before you posted at all. But feel free to FOAD. kthxbye~

[sarius]

No one respects the RP'ers.  Even on an RP server. 

This we can agree on.  RP'ers ruin the damn games more often than not because they only want RP to matter when they want it.

For instance, Christians/whatever religion having guilds in a fantasy MMORPG.  WTF?  Somehow I don't think Christ (or any other godhead) established religions to fuel a video game.   On the scale of wrongness, I'd rather have everyone join the aforementioned GLBT guilds than one single person have a religious guild in a video game.

[HaemishM]

So really this isn't about people who dont want to deal with general this is about people who dont want to deal with REAL WORLD SHIT in their video games' GENERAL CHAT CHANNELS.

Fixed it to actually reflect what I've been trying to say this whole goddamn thread that very few of your motherfuckers seem to understand.

Yeah, that's what I want. Every gay should hide their special and unique gay light under a bushel. That's exactly what I've said.

That logic was already soundly trounced in my mind by the multiple examples of guild's using RL data to find perspective members that would be perfectly acceptable to all you fuckers.

Please explain why it is ok to advertise recruitment based on:
-Timezones
-Age (mature guilds)
-Sex (female only guilds)
-Country of origin
-Language acceptable in /g (no l33t speak)
-Religion

None of that is ok to use when advertising for a guild in a public chat channel, because I do not think you should advertise for a guild at all in a public chat channel. As I've said about a billion fucking times in this thread. Which is why the guild recruitment channel solves the whole thing so fucking neatly.

When you get in private tells, you can advertise for your guild all you goddamn want with anything that tickles your goddamn fancy.

Now sure you can pick a few of these and say "no thats not ok" but if you can't tell me that ALL of those aren't ok then your standards make no fucking sense.

If you even dare follow this up with:  Well tell them to stop spamming guild recruitment in general I'm going to fucking kill you.  THERE WAS NO GUILD RECRUITMENT CHANNEL AT THE TIME, anyone who was willing or desperate enough to wade through the fucking masses advertised in general because that was the only way to do it.

Fine, at which point I told them to advertise for the guild as if it was any other guild, i.e. "We are a guild recruiting." That's all you need in a public chat channel. EVER. Anything else is probably bound to cause a problem somewhere. That doesn't hide anyone's gay light under a bushel. Make the first words out of your mouth in private be "We are a GLBT" or whatever else you need to to make the recruitment fit your guild. In my EQ guild, our first contact with the person was in private (because we never advertised in public chat channels) and it was "We are a mature, over 18 guild of casual friendly players who aren't trying to be uber raiders." None of that was in a public chat channel, and thus we avoided great big screaming shit fits from SOMEONE, ANYONE who might have a problem with us personally or our recruitment standards. And yes, I had many arguments with under 18 people who thought our rules sucked, but they were IN PRIVATE and didn't bother the rest of the general population.

See how that works? I didn't cause drama, nor did I do something that was likely to cause drama.

That completely fucks over this point:

Change the equation. Make I a raging homophobe. Fuck it, why don't you make I into Paelos, who really doesn't want to hear about gay people in general chat, since a PLAYER'S SEXUALITY HAS FUCKALL TO DO WITH THE FUCKING GAME, YOU DUMB CUNTSLAPPERS. Make X's statement [the initial tell after somebody had asked for information about the guild] be "We are a Gay, lesbian and transgender friendly guild" and yes, you do have something people can be upset about.

So now we are back to this point:

I didn't. I never said they shouldn't have their own guild, or that the formation of a guild was bad. I didn't even say that recruiting for their guild was bad, just the method in which they chose to do it. It's a method that insures eventually there will be needless fucking drama started. Drama that has nothing to do with the game or the world. I see no lore in WoW that says homosexuals, lesbians or transgenered folk are persecuted or that they even exist (or don't) in the world of Azeroth. So how exactly is advertising for a GLBT-friendly guild helping serve the lore? Oh wait, IT ISN'T. Just like yelling about the Steelers winning the Super Bowl in general chat isn't serving the lore. I'd love for people that do that to be banned too. I suppose that means I'm for the gassing of football fans or maybe just Steelers' fans.

So we are telling gay people to stfu and stop telling us they are gay because we are protecting the fucking RP'ers?

You must be goddamn kidding me.

No, we are telling people that shit which has nothing to do with the game should be kept in private areas like guild chat, or tells, or group chat. Just like I don't want to hear water cooler chat played over the office intercom, or the descriptions of someone's date played over a loudspeaker at the mall, I don't want to hear whether someone is gay IN REAL LIFE within the confines of a game's general chat channels. Just like I don't want to hear fuckheaded political arguments or shitfits about someone's RP or not-RP name in general chat channels.

It's the kind of arguments and discussions that come up in these general chat channels that make me turn them off. And frankly, I shouldn't have to. One less form of spam (guild recruitment) regardless of its sexual persuasion is one less form of spam in my general chat.

The kind of argument we've had in this thread? This is the kind of retarded argument that gets started in general chat when you use it to recruit for a "GLBT-friendly" guild instead of just "a guild recruiting."

I also disapprove of "sit-in" protests in games because they also disrupt the game world. Call me an RP fag if you want, but yes there are just somethings that should not be in public chat channels.

I'll just represent this thread in mime.

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[cevik]

The kind of argument we've had in this thread? This is the kind of retarded argument that gets started in general chat when you use it to recruit for a "GLBT-friendly" guild instead of just "a guild recruiting."

So your argument is, that the gay people should shut up because people like you won't be able to shut up in general chat?

I think they should take the blacks out of our schools.  I'm not racist or anything, I don't mind drinking after them at the water fountain, but all those OTHER PEOPLE who are racist just can't handle it and it distracts from the learning.  It's just better for everyone if they don't rub their blackness in our face all the time.

[HaemishM]

You really enjoy being an ignorant troll sometimes.

And no, it isn't just the gay people that should shut up. It's the trolly people too. And the conservatives. And liberals. And sports fans. And name nazis. And griefers. And anyone else that's going to bring up shit that has nothing to do with the game just so everyone in the zone can hear it. It's like playing a game of football on a console and having Anderson Fucking Cooper break into your game and say "There's starving people in Rawanda!" It has nothing and no one to do with my game.

Really, we should just remove zonewide chat channels, they only lead to more problems.

[sarius]

The kind of argument we've had in this thread? This is the kind of retarded argument that gets started in general chat when you use it to recruit for a "GLBT-friendly" guild instead of just "a guild recruiting."

So your argument is, that the gay people should shut up because people like you won't be able to shut up in general chat?

I think they should take the blacks out of our schools.  I'm not racist or anything, I don't mind drinking after them at the water fountain, but all those OTHER PEOPLE who are racist just can't handle it and it distracts from the learning.  It's just better for everyone if they don't rub their blackness in our face all the time.

As long as they're Republican blacks, who cares?  C I L L my landlord!

[cevik]

Really, we should just remove zonewide chat channels, they only lead to more problems.

Or the assholes like you can just turn them off and be done with it.  Or, an even better idea, you can just stop playing online games where you'll encounter other people, since they apparently upset your delicate PC sensibilities.

I don't particularly hate muslims, but I think we should round them all up and kill them.  After all, it's the only way to get people like angry.bob to stop coming to message boards about VIDEO GAMES and ranting about the upcoming Christo-Mulsim war.

[Lantyssa]

When did Gay become a political identity in this fucking country?

June 28, 1969 1:20am.

Touché.  I would laugh were it not for what that date represents.

[HaemishM]

Really, we should just remove zonewide chat channels, they only lead to more problems.

Or the assholes like you can just turn them off and be done with it.  Or, an even better idea, you can just stop playing online games where you'll encounter other people, since they apparently upset your delicate PC sensibilities.

Meh? PC sensibilities? How are my sensibilities in anyway PC? I just want people to shut their festering, shit-spewing gobs about stuff that has no business in a game in zonewide chat channels, you know like real fucking life. Play the game, not the fucking martyr. Or to use a cliche, come down off the cross, we could use the wood.

People don't upset my sensibilities, they piss me off. People are the worst, twat-flapping retards to ever walk the planet. I have no problem with people who want to play games, I have problems with people who want to bring their real-life issues into games as if it belongs there. Go march in the fucking streets if you want to end intolerance of gay people, I'll gladly applaud you if you have a proper marching permit. I'm tolerant of most things, but not stupidity, and not useless martyr-crying drama queening attention whoring. Or trolling.

I think we should round up the Communists personally.

Do any of you others besides cevik realize that cevik loves to troll threads that get his goat sometimes, simply because he knows it starts shitfests like this one? I realize he's said it in this thread, but I don't think most of you get it. He likes prolonging threads. He's almost Bruce-like in that respect, but he has a lot to learn from the master. You need more nested quotes, longer replies and you need to mention your own sexuality a few times. Also, you should mention college date rape, roofies and farm animals a few times.

And don't forget to keep mentioning how I want to gas the jews, lock gay people in closets and oppress the black race.

[cevik]

Meh? PC sensibilities? How are my sensibilities in anyway PC? I just want people to shut their festering, shit-spewing gobs about stuff that has no business in a game in zonewide chat channels, you know like real fucking life. Play the game, not the fucking martyr. Or to use a cliche, come down off the cross, we could use the wood.

People don't upset my sensibilities, they piss me off. People are the worst, twat-flapping retards to ever walk the planet. 

And your response is to twat-flap like the best of them, and tell everyone they have to shut up so they don't bother you and the way YOU want to play the game.  You are doing the EXACT same thing you accuse the PC people of the world of doing, and you cleverly mask it in bullshit and dirty words so that you can pretend you are teh awesome.

You are the worst.. THE WORST sand in his vagina whiner on the internet, yet you think you are so fucking cool and hip with in your neoliberalist facade of logical fallacies.  You are twenty times worst than the straw man you made up on the other side, and you are so shrouded in the retarded bullshit you spew that you don't even realize the very crap you rail against is the EXACT SAME BULLSHIT YOU PULL IN EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THREAD.

But go ahead, whine about everyone else in the world ruins your good time, and then come back and throw around a few new dirty words you made up so that you can feel cool like Cartman and prove to yourself that you aren't just the exact same tired old PC bullshit wrapped in a sleek new shiny wrapper.

[Rasix]

This thread is just about ready to be dragged across the Rio Grande.  Just waiting for the magic word.

[cevik]

This thread is just about ready to be dragged across the Rio Grande.  Just waiting for the magic word.

Heh, the truth does hurt, doesn't it? ;)

[Rasix]

This thread is just about ready to be dragged across the Rio Grande.  Just waiting for the magic word.

Heh, the truth does hurt, doesn't it? ;)

Heh, for the record, I agree with your position in this thread.  This thread, however, has just become a cyclic poo flinging contest.  It should probably die.

Edit: The English language is just giving me fits today.

[HaemishM]

I am Cartman.

As for being annoyed by other people spewing stupid shit in general chat, I guess if it were up to you, general chat would be open to absolutely any and all kind of idiotic spew? You have to look at general chat in an MMOG in almost exactly the same way you would look at any public place in real life. If someone causes a disturbance in real life, like say walks into a mall and begins screaming in a megaphone to join his super-neato elite club, the owners of the public gathering place have the right to tell him to STFU. And the other patrons of the place have the right to say "He's harshing my buzz, man." And if he continues to not STFU, the owners have a right to call the police and have him arrested. And if one of the patrons starts a fight, they can all be arrested.

What's the problem? The screamer got his right to free speech right up until it abridged someone else's right to fucking enjoy their latte in peace. Are you saying the right to free speech in a privately-owned public space actually supercedes the right to personal space not being disturbed? Or that the owner of an establishment doesn't have the right to toss out anyone causing a ruckus that he deems against the rules of his establishment?

It sounds to me like what you are saying is that YOUR (or in this case, said Gay Person) right to speak is more important than other people's right to tell you to STFU, or that your right to free speech is more important than the owner of building's right to keep his customers from being disturbed. Blizzard is the owner of the establishment. The customers have a right to NOT have their personal space invaded, a right which is not superceded by anyone's sexuality or anything else. You can speak all you want, and so can they, but they better be willing to accept the CONSEQUENCES of that speech. Those consequences can be getting arrested or banned, or yelled at or called a homo or whatever. And if the yellers abridge the speakers' rights, they should accept those consequences too.

But don't blame Blizzard for not wanting a ruckus going on in Ironforge every time this guild wanted to recruit. THAT'S THEIR RIGHT. And don't blame me because I don't want to hear non-game-related bullshit in general chat channels. That's my right too.

[Dren]

Just to keep score:

Haemish: "Just play the game.  I don't want to hear how you like to 'do it'."

Cevik: "No, you need to listen to everyone around you and like it.  LIKE IT and don't complain!"

Haemish:  "But I don't want to, you *#&*$#"

Cevik: "I don't care.  You must.  Don't call me *#&*$#.  It hurts my feelings.  I don't like that."

/leave 1.

[MisterNoisy]

/leave 1.

Yeah - that's about it.

[bhodi]

I am Cartman.

As for being annoyed by other people spewing stupid shit in general chat, I guess if it were up to you, general chat would be open to absolutely any and all kind of idiotic spew? You have to look at general chat in an MMOG in almost exactly the same way you would look at any public place in real life. If someone causes a disturbance in real life, like say walks into a mall and begins screaming in a megaphone to join his super-neato elite club, the owners of the public gathering place have the right to tell him to STFU. And the other patrons of the place have the right to say "He's harshing my buzz, man." And if he continues to not STFU, the owners have a right to call the police and have him arrested. And if one of the patrons starts a fight, they can all be arrested.

What's the problem? The screamer got his right to free speech right up until it abridged someone else's right to fucking enjoy their latte in peace. Are you saying the right to free speech in a privately-owned public space actually supercedes the right to personal space not being disturbed? Or that the owner of an establishment doesn't have the right to toss out anyone causing a ruckus that he deems against the rules of his establishment?

It sounds to me like what you are saying is that YOUR (or in this case, said Gay Person) right to speak is more important than other people's right to tell you to STFU, or that your right to free speech is more important than the owner of building's right to keep his customers from being disturbed. Blizzard is the owner of the establishment. The customers have a right to NOT have their personal space invaded, a right which is not superceded by anyone's sexuality or anything else. You can speak all you want, and so can they, but they better be willing to accept the CONSEQUENCES of that speech. Those consequences can be getting arrested or banned, or yelled at or called a homo or whatever. And if the yellers abridge the speakers' rights, they should accept those consequences too.

But don't blame Blizzard for not wanting a ruckus going on in Ironforge every time this guild wanted to recruit. THAT'S THEIR RIGHT. And don't blame me because I don't want to hear non-game-related bullshit in general chat channels. That's my right too.

I'm still not clear on two things:

1. Why don't you realize that you are the minority? A vocal one, but still a minority. A large majority of the people feel like expressing their views on their sexuality, your sexuality, and your mom's sexuality. Blizzard lets this becuase there are simply too many people to police and also because those people (or their parents) pay a $15/mo subscription. Your co-players are frothing retards that make barrens chat what it is today and it's time to realize that. Blizzard does some simple math - (Salary and overhead for chat policer  >   Subscriptions lost due to offended players). It's simple math, and when it makes people happy to spam "O RLY?" 6 line macros in ironforge, and it's not enough for others to cancel their subscriptions, it's clear which direction blizzard will take.

2. Why do you act like general chat is being forced on you? you can just /leave if you don't like it. The signal to noise ratio in there is dreadful, there is a trade channel for anything you actually want to say to people, and frankly, you don't seem to like anyone else on that server except for theoretical guild mates, what's the big deal? You have NO RIGHTS, but neither does anyone else. It IS like city streets, people can scream "You're a cocksucking whore" - ok let's be fair, this is WoW - "UR A COCKSUKIN WHORE LOL" and maybe get banned (or ticketed for disturbing the peace, like in real life), or they can scream "I'm looking for people to join my GLBT guild!" and be looked at in annoyance (just like in real life) from people like you. Nowhere in either real life or blizzard's rules does it say it's illegal, nor should it be stopped. No matter what people like you think.

[cevik]

I am Cartman.

As for being annoyed by other people spewing stupid shit in general chat, I guess if it were up to you, general chat would be open to absolutely any and all kind of idiotic spew? You have to look at general chat in an MMOG in almost exactly the same way you would look at any public place in real life. If someone causes a disturbance in real life, like say walks into a mall and begins screaming in a megaphone to join his super-neato elite club, the owners of the public gathering place have the right to tell him to STFU. And the other patrons of the place have the right to say "He's harshing my buzz, man." And if he continues to not STFU, the owners have a right to call the police and have him arrested. And if one of the patrons starts a fight, they can all be arrested.

But your argument is the exact reverse of this.  You are saying that people can't advertise THEIR guild in the SAME fasion as EVERYONE ELSE IS ALREADY DOING because someone LIKE YOU might be offended.  I say ban the fuck out of you, don't tell the guy who is doing the EXACT SAME THING AS EVERYONE ELSE that he has to stop because some fuckwad who think's he's uber cool like Cartman is going to get sand in his vagina and get his panties in a bunch.

[cevik]

Just to keep score:

Haemish: "Just play the game.  I don't want to hear how you like to 'do it'."

Cevik: "No, you need to listen to everyone around you and like it.  LIKE IT and don't complain!"

Haemish:  "But I don't want to, you *#&*$#"

Cevik: "I don't care.  You must.  Don't call me *#&*$#.  It hurts my feelings.  I don't like that."

/leave 1.

Eh, I've never once said that my feelings were hurt.  I said Haemish is a fucking retard, and he is.  I said Haemish think's he's hip and cool, and he does.  I said it's pathetic and it is.

Haemish is the one crowing endlessly that if he hears about someone's sexuality he may well be SCARRED FOR LIFE.  Nice attempt to put his argument in my mouth though.

EDIT:  Furthermore I'm not saying that you EVER have to LISTEN TO ANYONE about how they like to "do it".  I'm saying that the 4 letters GLBT and the word Friendly aren't fucking worth getting sand in your vagina you PC whiner.

EDIT2:  To reiterate how fucking stupid you guys are, here is the EXACT quote someone was warned over, yet again:

OZ is recruiting all levels, but especially 50-60s! We are working on our Onyxia Chains and will be doing UBRS and hopefully Onyxia soon! We are not "glbt only", but we are "glbt friendly"! http://guilduniverse.com/oz

If you are getting THIS worked up over that, you have some SERIOUS issues.

[cevik]

The best part about the "ZMOG BAN THEM SO THER WIL BE NO CONTREVERSY" theory that Haemish is now supporting:

There was no controversy.. until they were banned.

[HaemishM]

I am Cartman.

As for being annoyed by other people spewing stupid shit in general chat, I guess if it were up to you, general chat would be open to absolutely any and all kind of idiotic spew? You have to look at general chat in an MMOG in almost exactly the same way you would look at any public place in real life. If someone causes a disturbance in real life, like say walks into a mall and begins screaming in a megaphone to join his super-neato elite club, the owners of the public gathering place have the right to tell him to STFU. And the other patrons of the place have the right to say "He's harshing my buzz, man." And if he continues to not STFU, the owners have a right to call the police and have him arrested. And if one of the patrons starts a fight, they can all be arrested.

>But your argument is the exact reverse of this.  You are saying that people can't advertise THEIR guild in the SAME fasion as EVERYONE ELSE IS ALREADY DOING because someone LIKE YOU might be offended.  I say ban the fuck out of you, don't tell the guy who is doing the EXACT SAME THING AS EVERYONE ELSE that he has to stop because some fuckwad who think's he's uber cool like Cartman is going to get sand in his vagina and get his panties in a bunch.

I don't think anyone has the right to recruit for guilds in general. Him, me, anyone the fuck else. Because that brings up drooling retards to join your guild.

Blizzard let it happen, it caused a minor PR shitstorm, they took it out of general.

[cevik]

I don't think anyone has the right to recruit for guilds in general. Him, me, anyone the fuck else. Because that brings up drooling retards to join your guild.

Yes, guilds should just acquire new members through osmosis, then only super smart people like the f13.net posters will be in guilds.. or something..

[HaemishM]

Cevik, I ran a 100-person guild in EQ without ever once actively recruiting in an open channel. EVER. I never went into East Commonlands and /shouted "Guild recruiting" or anything of the like. I saw what happened to guilds who did that, they didn't last, and had hordes of training, kill-stealing, shit-starting, drama-queening mongoloids.

I know of which I speak. If you can't recruit 20-40 people into a guild without spamming general chat channels, you shouldn't be running a guild. It isn't hard unless you are a fucking idiot, an anti-social twat, or a raging douchebag.