Morrowind: (N)PC evolution

[Valmorian]

The only thing I can think of that this means is that you have been in Signe's sex toy closet again.

I believe that was his response to:

The 360 has it in spades? Spades? Do you know what that means? The 360 only has double the memory of my /video card/. And shares that with the system. My pc has double the system memory. My pc is two years old, yet has 1.25GB of memory for gpu/cpu, and the 360 has 512. Spades? Right. Oh, windows overhead must be using that other 725MB RAM.


Which is to say, not a response at all, but rather a way of ignoring this excellent point.

[Morfiend]

Actually, I think he was trying to tell me to "Breath".

But referencing Signe's sex toys was much more fun.

[Murgos]

The only thing I can think of that this means is that you have been in Signe's sex toy closet again.

Well, she calls it a closet but it's actually a converted doublewide trailer...

[Ironwood]

Actually, I think he was trying to tell me to "Breath".

But referencing Signe's sex toys was much more fun.

Actually, he was remaking his point about Blizzard being a 'respirator' for PC Gaming.

[Modern Angel]

I tend to like my PC gaming precisely because it has no story. I may be a bit of a WoW junkie at the moment but I cut my teeth on TBS games which were substance, substance, substance and no real style; a bit of a vague backstory and they turn you loose.

I love it. I'm looking forward to Spore because it lets me play in a huge world doing a bunch of nothing and make the story I want to make. I love Civ X and GalCiv 2 for the same reason. Morrowind/Oblivion, same.

That's just different strokes and all that but I don't see many games like that on the console. A few but not as many.

[jpark]

I changed the title of this thread slightly so this hopeless fucking derail that goes on for pages on this thread looks like insightful commentary I sparked at the outset  :-D

[Signe]

First off, I don't have any sex toys.  I don't even like sex.  Second, I don't know what the fuck that thing is and where the bloody hell you could stick it!!

[Sky]

Unfortunately, time has proven that optimization and standardization != better quality. I'm sure it'll be different this time! 

3. You have your PC plugged into a projector and play on a couch. Your PC is a console. You treat it as such. How you are so pro PC evades me.

It's connected to a DLP rptv, actually. How I am so pro-PC? Quality.

Also, my PC is not a 'console'. Can I record and mix music on a console? Do my taxes? Buy stuff? Pay my bills? Post on f13? Run thousands of free software? Process my photography? Process my pornography? The 360 is a game platform. Aren't all the media features streaming, necessitating a pc (honest question, I haven't listened closely).

I won't argue that the console segment has grown immensely. I wouldn't expect John Public to maintain a modern pc. But I've been using computers since 1975. I'll stick with them, thanks. They've ALWAYS been a better gaming platform, except for sofa multiplayer, which I don't really do these days. Consoles definitely have their place (I mean...I own an xbox and gc for crissakes...I just don't have a ton of games for them...exclusives only).

And the games are better on the pc, even games on super-optimized platforms like the PS2. I'm talking about GTA:SA. It's better on the pc, period. And Battlefield. Then there is Civ and HoMaM. As I said, if you truly believe Oblivion will be a better gaming experience on the 360 than on a 2005 gaming computer (same 'gen' as the 360)....well, nothing I can say can pierce that kind of delusion.

Oh, and the TES:Construction Set.

[Yegolev]

Oh, and the TES:Construction Set.

This is the important bit to remember about TESIV and is the biggest single factor that made TESIII on PC superior, followed closely by loading times.  Even if you aren't going to use TESCS, the load times on Morrowind for Xbox are night-and-day from the PC version.  I see no reason for it to be different with TESIV.

That said... lots of people will and should get the 360 version, since they won't have a gaming rig to properly run the game but will or can get a 360 plugged in.  Which version is better depends on which machine someone has is better: PC or 360.  Any TESIV is better than zero.

[squirrel]

It's connected to a DLP rptv, actually. How I am so pro-PC? Quality.

Also, my PC is not a 'console'. Can I record and mix music on a console? Do my taxes? Buy stuff? Pay my bills? Post on f13? Run thousands of free software? Process my photography? Process my pornography? The 360 is a game platform. Aren't all the media features streaming, necessitating a pc (honest question, I haven't listened closely).

I won't argue that the console segment has grown immensely. I wouldn't expect John Public to maintain a modern pc. But I've been using computers since 1975. I'll stick with them, thanks. They've ALWAYS been a better gaming platform, except for sofa multiplayer, which I don't really do these days. Consoles definitely have their place (I mean...I own an xbox and gc for crissakes...I just don't have a ton of games for them...exclusives only).

And the games are better on the pc, even games on super-optimized platforms like the PS2. I'm talking about GTA:SA. It's better on the pc, period. And Battlefield. Then there is Civ and HoMaM. As I said, if you truly believe Oblivion will be a better gaming experience on the 360 than on a 2005 gaming computer (same 'gen' as the 360)....well, nothing I can say can pierce that kind of delusion.

Oh, and the TES:Construction Set.

Hmm the games you like yes. I have a kick ass PC and a 360 both connected to a Sammy HLN56" DLP. I play EVE (MMORPGS), FPS games, and strategy games on my PC. I play Project Gotham III, FIFA, NHL2K6, DoA and Kameo on my 360. My racing and sports games on the 360 far outclass anything on the PC - just due to the nature of the games and the ability to play with friends on my couch. The PC kicks the hell out the 360 for MMOGs, FPS and TBS/God games. I win both ways, neither is 'better' than the other.

If you all you own is a hammer, you tend to treat everything as a nail.

That said i will get this title for the PC.

[Sky]

That said i will get this title for the PC.

That's all I was saying.

[Yegolev]

Do you all know the release date is March 20?  Just thought I'd throw that out there in case El Gallo hasn't been refreshing elderscrolls.com lately.

[Bunk]

Assuming there are no more delays of course...

Receipt for my EBGames preorder is in my wallet, of course.

[Morfiend]

I wish they would add Co-op to Elder Scrolls. I think it would be really fun to play through with a friend.

[Signe]

I wish they would add Co-op to Elder Scrolls. I think it would be really fun to play through with a friend.

I do, too.  If it's as big as the last one, I NEED someone to play it with... preferably my hubby, but nearly any of you lot will do in a pinch, too.  But, it seems, that eventually I'll just resort to my usual cheating ways when it's gets to be too much for me.

[Ironwood]

Sitting at my desk right now watching the PC Gamer Video's of this game.

Fuck me gently, but it looks good.

[Modern Angel]

Linky to video please?

[Ironwood]

Well, it's on my desk in DVD form.  I guess it might be downloadable somewhere.  You could buy the magazine and whatnot.

Hmmm.

[Murgos]

Is that the PC Gamer UK edition?

[Ironwood]

Yeah.

[Murgos]

I'd probably have the game before it (the magazine) came in the mail.

[Ironwood]

She puts her dog to sleep and then sets it on fire.

I'm fairly sure that wasn't meant to be in the video.  Some complaints incoming I think.

Personally, I'd buy the game on the strength of that alone.

[HaemishM]

The putting the dog to sleep then burning it was on a video that's been linked elsewhere in this thread.

[Murgos]

Ahh, ok I've seen that.  It's from last years E3 closed doors presentation.  I don't know if the AI is still going to be that dynamic, recent interviews have said that they have spent a lot of time 'tuning' the AI not to go over the top with its emergent gameplay (like brawls between guards and townspeople in the cities that escalate out of control and end up killing everyone before the PC ever even gets there.)

[schild]

I thought it was cute. But after having thought about it for a long time, how is "when task = tedious; dog = yippy; result = fire" emergent gameplay? It's just very well scripted shit. Emergent gameplay will occur when I light the dog on fire and throw him down the stairs and the girl goes, "Excuse me, but did you just light my dog on fire and throw him down the stairs?" "Yes" "Good Show. He was getting rather obnoxious."

(like brawls between guards and townspeople in the cities that escalate out of control and end up killing everyone before the PC ever even gets there.)

If that could happen. I'd buy their brand of tea. It would also make for a crazy amazing game if the only person left was the quest giver. Ohhhhh the corpses to loot.

[Ironwood]

Ahh, ok I've seen that.  It's from last years E3 closed doors presentation.  I don't know if the AI is still going to be that dynamic, recent interviews have said that they have spent a lot of time 'tuning' the AI not to go over the top with its emergent gameplay (like brawls between guards and townspeople in the cities that escalate out of control and end up killing everyone before the PC ever even gets there.)

Don't think so, as there were 7 videos, one of which was entitled 'e3 presentation'.  I'm guessing the other six are new, but possibly I'm wrong.

It's been known.

Anyway, if that's last years footage, it could only have got, you know, better, and it DOES look slick polished and lovely in these other 6 videos...


Edited to add :  hmmmm.  I think you could be right.  That's not hurting my enthusiasm anyways.  If that's what it was like a year ago....

[Lt.Dan]

I wish you all luck with your Elder Scrolls dreams.  My bet is that it looks good, the AI is a buggy piece of shit, and you can exploit-kill every mob by getting it stuck on a dropped bag.  They'll try to fix it wil a patch but there will still be an unpassable bug in the main story which they won't fix for three months.

Wait for the reviews...

[Murgos]

I wish you all luck with your Elder Scrolls dreams.  My bet is that it looks good, the AI is a buggy piece of shit, and you can exploit-kill every mob by getting it stuck on a dropped bag.  They'll try to fix it wil a patch but there will still be an unpassable bug in the main story which they won't fix for three months.

Wait for the reviews...

We just got a puppy.  It's only 5 months old, would you like to come over and kick it?

[Dren]

The great thing about single player games is that exploits do not affect me in the slightest.  I'm not going to go out of my way to trivialize the content just so I can end a game I paid good money for quickly. 

Bugs that prevent me from progressing are the devil though.

Yes, they'll be there.  Yes, I'll be pissed.  Yes, I'll still buy the game at release because that's the way we've always done it and we liked it!

[Ironwood]

What Dren Said.

And Blow Me.

[Yegolev]

I wish you all luck with your Elder Scrolls dreams.  My bet is that it looks good, the AI is a buggy piece of shit, and you can exploit-kill every mob by getting it stuck on a dropped bag.  They'll try to fix it wil a patch but there will still be an unpassable bug in the main story which they won't fix for three months.

Wait for the reviews...

I will love it despite its flaws.  I won't need to wait for the reviews.  I'll play it and love it, and I'll download the TESCS and fix bugs myself, same as I did with TESIII.

[Signe]

I wonder what people who play computer games but aren't on the internets do about buggy games?  They wouldn't know when there's a patch to fix the bugs or help available when they get stuck.  They probably don't even know how to cheat when they stop caring about the game.  Having said all that... why do I still envy people who aren't online yet?

[NiX]

I blame The Vault, Signe. That place makes me wonder where sex-ed went wrong. It's the only website with a smell; Broken latex.

[HaemishM]

I blame The Vault, Signe. That place makes me wonder where sex-ed went wrong. It's the only website with a smell; Broken latex.

 

[Yegolev]

I wonder what people who play computer games but aren't on the internets do about buggy games?

These are the same people who buy a $1500 TV and attach it to an old aerial antenna.  Their logic is impenetrable.