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daveNYC
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Reply #70 on: May 25, 2004, 01:45:40 PM

The only way the third one won't suck is if they dress Ms. Portman up in the metal bikini from Jedi.
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Reply #71 on: May 25, 2004, 01:46:49 PM

Or invade her with the new lightsaber yoda has been working on. He's calling it the Sybian.
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Reply #72 on: May 25, 2004, 01:54:24 PM

Now THAT I would pay to see.
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Reply #73 on: May 25, 2004, 01:55:44 PM

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The only way the third one won't suck is if they dress Ms. Portman up in the metal bikini from Jedi.

Ms. Portman has been very hot throughout, and the movies still suck. Nobody is hot enough to fix these cinematic turds. The only way it won't suck is if Bioware makes the film!
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Reply #74 on: May 25, 2004, 01:56:47 PM

Sky, I hate to break it to you, but that's what they said when Square said they were making an animated film. Bioware would fuck it up just as bad. I'm sure Lucas' source material is utter shite.
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Reply #75 on: May 25, 2004, 02:01:42 PM

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The only way the third one won't suck is if they dress Ms. Portman up in the metal bikini from Jedi.

Ms. Portman has been very hot throughout, and the movies still suck. Nobody is hot enough to fix these cinematic turds.

How about only half the bikini?
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Reply #76 on: May 26, 2004, 05:50:25 AM

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The only way the third one won't suck is if they dress Ms. Portman up in the metal bikini from Jedi.

Ms. Portman has been very hot throughout, and the movies still suck. Nobody is hot enough to fix these cinematic turds.

How about only half the bikini?


Her breasts aren't very impressive.

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Reply #77 on: May 26, 2004, 06:49:14 AM

If I want to see hot chicks naked, there's always porn. I want an epic space drama, dammit. With adults, no kids, no goofy gungans, no cutesy ewoks, no demographic driven bullshit, no CG filler scenes (the robot factory was admitted to be a filler scene to pump up the action).

Unfortunately, I get about 10 minutes per movie of good stuff, and the rest is that other crap.

And yeah, Bioware would probably screw it up, but I don't see how. They make good games and Square-Enus makes that final fantasy crap. :)
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Reply #78 on: May 26, 2004, 09:39:23 AM

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The only way the third one won't suck is if they dress Ms. Portman up in the metal bikini from Jedi.

Ms. Portman has been very hot throughout, and the movies still suck. Nobody is hot enough to fix these cinematic turds.

How about only half the bikini?


Her breasts aren't very impressive.


First of all, I have no problem with her breasts. They aren't giant, by any stretch of the imagination, but they fit her frame quite nicely.

2nd- who says he was talking about the bikini top?

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Reply #79 on: May 26, 2004, 10:03:35 AM

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The only way the third one won't suck is if they dress Ms. Portman up in the metal bikini from Jedi.

Ms. Portman has been very hot throughout, and the movies still suck. Nobody is hot enough to fix these cinematic turds.

How about only half the bikini?


Her breasts aren't very impressive.


First of all, I have no problem with her breasts. They aren't giant, by any stretch of the imagination, but they fit her frame quite nicely.

2nd- who says he was talking about the bikini top?


I was wondering how long it would take for someone to get to the bottom of my innuendo.

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Reply #80 on: May 26, 2004, 10:33:03 PM

Dammit, focus people: Focus! No! Not on the missing bikini bottom which may or may not exist outside of one's fantasys.  This thing:
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If I want to see hot chicks naked, there's always porn. I want an epic space drama, dammit. With adults, no kids, no goofy gungans, no cutesy ewoks, no demographic driven bullshit, no CG filler scenes (the robot factory was admitted to be a filler scene to pump up the action).

Right.  Exactly.

Although I'd be okay with a few cutesy ewoks or goofy gungans so long as they can whip out a lightsaber and cut sith into small bacon strips which they then devour and comment upon the rich Sith-like flavor.

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Reply #81 on: May 26, 2004, 11:25:03 PM

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Although I'd be okay with a few cutesy ewoks or goofy gungans so long as they can whip out a lightsaber and cut sith into small bacon strips which they then devour and comment upon the rich Sith-like flavor.


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Reply #82 on: May 27, 2004, 08:08:13 AM

I forgot to mention SuP4L337 Sith characters like Darth Retar...err Maul also need to be removed from the formula. When I saw zabraks in SWG it was one of the first signs that something was amiss. But then, what a great selection of races, the bit part bounty hunter Bossk, the fish admiral, the dog people, the supah leet zabraks, friggin greedo (who didn't shoot first), and hey....CHEWY! Ecch. Why not add in the blue singer chick with the probiscus as a playable race!? Err...push it back down, Sky, forget it ever happened....

It's so fitting the Bioware kicked the shit out of both SOE and Lucas in one release. I'm saying if they simply made KotOR into a film without adding anything to it, it would be better than every star wars movie excepting A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back. I once used to care about the backstory, after hearing Lucas describe it on the VHS release of 4-5-6. Ecch. I wouldn't even shake the guy's hand if I saw him on the street, the douchebag.
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Reply #83 on: May 27, 2004, 08:28:41 AM

What races would you have picked?  They were all bit parts other than the humans in the movies.
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Reply #84 on: May 27, 2004, 08:58:53 AM

Well, there ya go. It's more of what's wrong with SWG, a focus on non-Star Warsy kinda stuff. A bit character made into a playable race. Just to have another playable race. Sure, enough people like Chewy to play Wookies, but were there really that many Bossk fans? I played a Dosh, but only to continue my EQ character in a new setting.

As has been said quite a few times, it's UO retrofitted over SWG. As such, why even bother with non-human races, when more effort could have gone into customizing humans. As customizable as SWG is, everyone still comes out looking bland.

Wow, what a bad idea it was basing a mmog on that license, now that I think about it. I don't have a good answer because I can't concieve of a good way to make a star wars mmog, because it's the opposite of what star wars is about, a handful of unique heroes.
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Reply #85 on: May 27, 2004, 10:43:02 AM

One reason for the races was to continue the theme of the Emporer's dislike for non-humans. If everyone was a human, it wouldn't be so easy to tell who's side who was on. Of course, that's the "on paper" answer.

There's nothing wrong with basing an MMOG on Star Wars. It's just that they shoulda made SWG what SW Battlefront is going to be: just the battles. There is no realistic way to portray Luke the emerging hero in a world with repeatedly-spawning uber mobs. There's no way to portray Han the scoundrel in a world where nobody can do wrong. There's no way to portray Vader the super villain without open PvP, even against tailors.

In short, there's no way to be the portrayed singular heros in a genre that has anything but.

It's not that Star Wars was a bad fit for MMOGs. It's that it was a bad fit for UO.
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Reply #86 on: May 27, 2004, 10:57:54 AM

They would have been much better suited picking a time frame like that of KOTOR where they don't have as much burden from the license.  (I'm pretty sure this has been said at least a hundred times before.)

With a time frame outside of the movies, you have a better game but a less fanboi friendly use of the license. No one will be able to meet Vader, Luke or Han. No one will recognize the factions.  But overall, you're free of a lot of the bullshit that made SWG a bad game, and bad use of license (still a great virtual world).  There were so many times in the game where they developers used the phase "we can't do this because of the time frame.. blah blah blah".  Plus, you could have meaningful PVP outside of the time frame selected for the game rather than just playing the filler between two movies.

On the topic of races, bit parts or not, they added to the game.  They added a bit more to the roleplay environment and like some people people pointed out earlier, it was too hard to pick some people out by the minor details.  Most humans just looked the f'ing same to me as a Dosh.

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Reply #87 on: May 27, 2004, 11:53:15 AM

Well, once everyone started wearing composite, the only way you knew I was a Dosh was my lack of boots and gloves. It became..Hey, there's a blue guy...and a red guy!
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Reply #88 on: May 27, 2004, 06:07:40 PM

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They would have been much better suited picking a time frame like that of KOTOR where they don't have as much burden from the license.  (I'm pretty sure this has been said at least a hundred times before.)


You're right, many people did say this. I wish with all my heart they would have listened.

Raph did say that he chose this time frame for the conflict or some thing. Bah. Give us Jedi and Sith, thats much more fun than ewoks.
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Reply #89 on: May 28, 2004, 07:19:43 AM

Well, the problem with conflict set in the time frame they decided on is that it's the time the empire was at it's peak, the jedi were all but wiped out.

That's not exactly even footing to start a good pvp experience from. Not like a time when there were Sith and Jedi all over, maybe throw in some Mandalorians, the Republic....bah.
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Reply #90 on: May 28, 2004, 07:25:08 AM

Yeah, but when this game entered development, KOTOR was not out.  Raph probably didn't even know the KOTOR period existed when he was picking a timeframe.  He may have known nothing beyond what was in the movies.  The clone wars time frame would have ALSO been better, but he may not have known about that time frame either.
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Reply #91 on: May 28, 2004, 08:05:57 AM

I don't for a second believe Raph didn't know about the earlier time periods. However, from a marketing standpoint, I imagine it was critical they hit canonized content. Star Wars persisted through the strength of the expanded universe material the classic trilogy spawned. But the average person, and the considered target playerbase for SWG, just knew canon. The devs stated this over and over early on, and I imagine the licensor had some contribution to the setting just as they did when determining how best to expand the brand through yet another solo RPG.
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Reply #92 on: May 28, 2004, 08:43:49 AM

As someone who's 38, I consider there to be two Star Wars movies: Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. I've always wondered if that had something to do with the choice of period. For a lot of people over 30, Return was the sellout and clone wars and all that isn't really Star Wars at all.

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Reply #93 on: May 28, 2004, 09:18:45 AM

That's what I've been saying Numtini (I'm 34).

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Reply #94 on: May 28, 2004, 11:11:02 AM

It's not like I don't know about them, it's just that they don't count. I hadn't seen either of the two new movies until after I played SWG.

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Reply #95 on: May 28, 2004, 12:32:16 PM

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As someone who's 38, I consider there to be two Star Wars movies: Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. I've always wondered if that had something to do with the choice of period. For a lot of people over 30, Return was the sellout and clone wars and all that isn't really Star Wars at all.


Exactamundo.  I'm 34 and pretty much agree.

Episodes 1-3 strike me more as resume items for potential ILM jobs.  Anyone ever catch Episodes 1 or 2 on a hdtv?  There's more detail in those fx than in real life itself.  Lucas's interests of late are purely technical; story, memorable characters and non-Lucas directors being very minor side notes.
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Reply #96 on: May 28, 2004, 12:51:02 PM

Would that make LucasFilms the ID software of the film industry?

Seems like a workable comparison to me.  Once Lucas had unlimited budget and technology that could do ANYTHING he imagined, he lost all ability to make a decent movie.  He desperately needs limitations and hardships to make him focus on what is important.
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Reply #97 on: May 28, 2004, 01:48:11 PM

I think it's more he got a swelled head. I know when Star Wars came out, I heard it was a fun homage to space opera, nothing more. Then suddenly a hundred million dollars or so later, it became A Grand Vision and this trilogy of trilogy nonsense started.

And then it all really went to hell when he started to hang around with Joe Campbell and the whole thing became some kind of modern mythos. The only thing mythic is Lucas' overblown ego.

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Reply #99 on: May 28, 2004, 02:52:25 PM

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I don't for a second believe Raph didn't know about the earlier time periods. However, from a marketing standpoint, I imagine it was critical they hit canonized content.


I proposed setting after the movies, actually, but they wanted it to be canon content, as you say.

It's interesting how I get pinned with all sorts of decisions. Ah well, price of a public face I guess. Today on Slashdot I am to blame for issues with the EQ expansion which I am not involved in at all. :)
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Reply #100 on: May 28, 2004, 03:05:02 PM

That would have been a far better time for an mmog as well (jedi coming back).  I tend to pretend that time does not exist as I think the books in the time period are absolute drivel.  The explosion of the second deathstar causes the local sun to go supernova which causes a chain reaction wiping out everything starwars.  I prefer that ending instead of what the books did.

And no, the Thrawn series was not an exception.  Those books were hideous.
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Reply #101 on: May 28, 2004, 03:11:41 PM

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It's interesting how I get pinned with all sorts of decisions.


Speaking of which, I've been meaning to talk to you about the shiny loot in Theif III.  I mean first you fuck up Star Wars, then you delay the EQ expansion, but dumbing down Theif III man?  I mean come on, cut us some slack here..

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Reply #102 on: May 28, 2004, 05:36:19 PM

Please don't nerf blasters, Raph!

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Reply #103 on: May 28, 2004, 07:37:39 PM

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It's interesting how I get pinned with all sorts of decisions. Ah well, price of a public face I guess. Today on Slashdot I am to blame for issues with the EQ expansion which I am not involved in at all. :)


We wouldn't blame you when it came to Everquest Raph, we know better. Though I think we have pinned you for the strife between Israel and Palestine, oh, and the AIDS epidemic in Africa.
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Reply #104 on: May 28, 2004, 10:44:29 PM

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and the AIDS epidemic in Africa.

Heh, one *wishes* they could be pinned on as the sole cause of a major outbreak of an STD. ;)

What I do blame Raph for is putting too much focus on the breadth of the SWG economy and not enough focus on the depth of the SWG combat system.   But then, part of that's just a matter of what I was looking for in a game versus what Raph was looking for.

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