All things EVE

[5150]

http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1046&tid=1

Important Announcement
This morning we have been investigating a number of account hack attempts. 57 accounts were compromised and as a result, we started full investigation and lockdown procedures. This culminated in the lockdown of Tranquility during downtime until we had finished our investigation.

As a preventive measure, to ensure account security, we have reset passwords and will send out an email to selected accounts and ask them to change their passwords.

Yep and muggins here was one of the poor unfortunates who had all their ISK stolen

Yes I changed my password once I got the email (Friday night)
No I didnt change it back to what it was originally

and I still got raped by some asshole on Saturday morning. Reports are that the old passwords still worked...........

[Wolf]

This certainly isn't helped by the xenophobic behavior of the 0.0 hegemonies. I was chased and shot at, unprovoked, three times in the little 0.0 jaunt pictured above.  A relative noob in an unarmed (save for the tech1 ECM that I couldn't activate) noob frigate in an unaligned noob-corp attacked once on entry of 0.0 space from lowsec, once in the middle of the journey across someone's claimed space, and once on the way out of 0.0 through lowsec. All three times involved alliances large enough for me to have heard of them before. I'm not saying I was looking for a parade with flowers at my feet, but at least being convo'ed and told to get the hell out would've been less hostile than being silently chased across the stars.

It's perfectly normal. Big Alliances are very afraid of being spied on by other big alliances. That's the whole point of the "if you're in our space we shoot at you" politics. You would've been shot at, even if you were in a shuttle, especially since you were in forsaken territory. They don't like anyone. I remember my fun trip to 0.0, back when I was en-route to joining FIX. Some friends from a FIX Corp met up with me in Khanid, and we all went down to Querious where they showed me around. We went around for about an hour, while they were showing me their POSes and a station they took over, cool places to rat and mine, we met about 10 different patrols while we were there and I almost got shot twice, saved only by "DON'T SHOOT HE'S WITH US!!!!1111". And I was in a fucking shuttle :P I think the coolest thing I saw while I was there was the gate on the border of FIX's claimed space. There was a HUGE "FIX" written with secure containers above the gate - awesome :)

edit: thank god for "spell check". Almost makes my posts readable

[Strazos]

You won't find a lot of good ore in high-sec space, if you find any at all. CCP is very, very aggressive about pushing people out into low sec and beyond, they want their game to be primarily PVP with the safe areas just for noobs. It's been frustrating them (from what I can tell) that 2/3 of their population insists on hanging-out in .5 or higher.

 As a result they've been slowly stripping any benifits out of high-sec space and moving them to low-sec. In part because the server is just too crowded in some areas, and in part because they really really want to see people PVP. It started with moving level IV agents, has moved to ore and high-bounty pirates and they're continuing on with agents in upcoming patches I believe I read.

 Yeah, go figure, a dev company reverse-carebearing their customers. It's bizarro. Still, unless they do something like move ALL agents above L1 Q -5 out into lowsec, with no NPC rats that give bounties or drops, you're not going to see any significant movement. They underestimate the power of the catass and IGE to resupply folks who don't want to move.

Actually, I love it - the dev knows what they want their game to be and how they want it to work. They stick with it, and don't really put up with illogical crying - "If you don't like it, leave."

At least they have some balls. What's a shame is that they don't have a box on the shelves (that I could find). I saw a bunch of stupid EQ boxes, but no EVE. 

[Cougar]

You won't find a lot of good ore in high-sec space, if you find any at all.  CCP is very, very aggressive about pushing people out into low sec and beyond, they want their game to be primarily PVP with the safe areas just for noobs.  It's been frustrating them (from what I can tell) that 2/3 of their population insists on hanging-out in .5 or higher.

I think a large part of the problem here is that as you approach 0.0 space, the quantity of skills and equipment required to maintain break-even cashflow rises sharply, and the ability to do things solo or in small groups drops sharply. These trends arise both from the increasingly hostile NPCs and the increasingly predatory PCs. Therefore, you not only need a couple months of skilling-up in the 'kiddie pen', but you also need to have at least a handful of friends who are similarly ready and equipped to take the plunge. (This is all presuming that everyone will tolerate PVP, which is a bad assumption in regards to the population at large, but a valid one since CCP intends this to be a PVP game.)

I'm going to disagree slightly with your assertion here. You can do mine in any system with 3 people as the minimum, and only 1 of those needs decent skills. (NPC Tanker/Defender who needs good skills, miner of any skill level, hauler of any skill level). I've been out in 0.0 for over a year and a half now, and I went out to 0.0 with under 2 mil skill points (although I could fly an interceptor then). I was able to contribute to the alliance I was in and make money in various ways, although the main way I made money was to be a loot whore for my friends who were NPC'ing from long range and couldn't be bothered to go loot their cans with their slow ass battleships.

Hrm, I guess it depends on if you consider 3 people a small group or not; which I do. You can always add more mining lasers to any operation when you already have the basics established. What you will find in 0.0 from established players is that they have become very self sufficient in many ways. Specifically in my corp that I am in right now, almost everyone has 2 accounts (A PvP/NPC account and an industrial/mining account). With these two accounts you can mine solo with some risk (kill the NPC's, switch ships and mine - ready to warp out when the NPC's respawn).

PvP'ing can provide a decent income solo if you keep at it. You can kill indies with the most basic of T1 frigs, but you are on the bottom of the food chain when it comes to combat ships so you will have to learn how to run. Interceptors provide good running ability, as well as good killing power for the frigate level of ships. It all depends on what you want to do.

/end ramble

[Mesozoic]

You all twisted my arm.  GD these downloadable games and the lure of instant gratification. 

My character's name is "False Fable."  (Mesozoic was taken, somehow).  Seems pretty cool, but I'm still in the impressionable newbie period.  I do like how easily the game plays in a window, it bodes well for getting other things done while "playing."  I'm still in the tutorial -  the server went down for daily maintenance this morning when I was going to finish it. 

[Sky]

Eve's a cool game. But I don't see myself participating much in the best part of the game, because we're not in some mega-alliance, we don't have the cashflow to even bother trying to hang out in 0.0, and probably never will, because we're not really that kind of gamer. Well, I'm not. Catass to pvp on an uneven playing field sucks monkey cock, no matter how cool the game or ideas are.

Losing a ship is bad enough, but the fact that you'll probably get podded and lose implants is regoddamndiculous. But hey, some people need their balls crushed to have fun in multiplayer games. Me, I'm happy if the game is just fun and my balls are nice and uncrushed. If that makes me a carebear (despite my love of early UO, Planetside, BF1942, Unreal, UT, etc etc ad nauseum), so be it.

And hell, 0.0? I was in my kestrel running a mission two jumps into 0.3 and got jumped several times. I mean, I expect it...but it's really kind of like jumping miners in UO. Where's the fun if the other person isn't interested in fighting? Luckily they weren't very good and I warped out of there, and I'd only lose my kestrel and fail my mission. So some gate-camping jackass can have his fun. This game is pretty much all about the uber alliance or catassing to high skill levels, the vets will always have the advantage on newer players, due to the way skills are handled. And that's just not a formula for a good pvp game.

[Reg]

Vets will always have more skill points than you it's true but all that means is that they'll be able to do more things well than you. If you decide to be an expert fighter in a cruiser you can be as good as any veteran at doing that in a few months. The veteran you kill may have 10 million skill points but it's not like he can bring them all into play while he's fighting you.

Hopefully, you won't give him a 10 minute break during the battle in which to dock and come back with his battleship. :)

If the F13 corp actually holds together long enough there's no reason you can't join a 0.0 alliance in a few months when you're all stronger and richer.

[gimpyone]

I don't think it's possible to catass in this game.  Yoru, me, straz and some other guy(tm) went all the way down to 0.1 last night to test out Straz's new ship that was built as the result of corp efforts.  We had a pretty good time.  I think it's just a matter of finding some good people to hang out with like every other mmorpg.

[Mesozoic]

Reading here and elsewhere, its pretty clear to me that I'm going to need to start a new character.  I want to do combat, hanging out in a frigate for a while and then evenutally sizing up to cruiser.  From a conceptual point of view, the ability to cloak sounds nice, but I have no idea if a cloaking combat frigate / cruiser is feasible or even possible. Can anyone give me some character development advice, or point me towards a good guide?

[WayAbvPar]

IMHO there is little need to start a new character- you can learn to do anything and everything eventually. Common wisdom is to train your learning skills (attribute increasers and Learning) up as soon as possible, since they reduce the training time of all the other skills (a significant benefit later on down the line). Mix in things like Engineering, Electronics, Gunnery, Mechanic, etc will help you build a character that can pimp out the lower level frigates enough to be able to start making some money.

[Furiously]

And always ALWAYS did I mention ALWAYS remember:
DON'T BUY ANYTHING UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE IT AND SHRUG IT OFF.

[gimpyone]

And always ALWAYS did I mention ALWAYS remember:
DON'T BUY ANYTHING UNLESS YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE IT AND SHRUG IT OFF.

I don't think I see what you mean.

Reading here and elsewhere, its pretty clear to me that I'm going to need to start a new character.  I want to do combat, hanging out in a frigate for a while and then evenutally sizing up to cruiser.  From a conceptual point of view, the ability to cloak sounds nice, but I have no idea if a cloaking combat frigate / cruiser is feasible or even possible. Can anyone give me some character development advice, or point me towards a good guide?

From the eve forums, it sounds like that if you want to cloak get a covert ops ship rather than doing it half ass.

[Hoax]

Goddamn I have been wavering my mouse over the re-sub button for the last ten days every other day or so.

This comment almost pushed me over the edge:

I don't think it's possible to catass in this game.  Yoru, me, straz and some other guy(tm) went all the way down to 0.1 last night to test out Straz's new ship that was built as the result of corp efforts.  We had a pretty good time.  I think it's just a matter of finding some good people to hang out with like every other mmorpg.

I really want to re-sub and just log on to train skills for the next month whie I wait for WoW's shiney to wear off.  But I have this realist side that says if you do that you'll either end up staying with WoW or comming back to EvE to find everyone is left and it really is not a solo friendly game for people who are solo because they dont like playing with randoms not because their online handle of choice is xXxLoneWolfSniper69 or somesuch bullshit.

[WayAbvPar]

I subbed for 3 months, so you will have me to kick around at least until April. Come on back and check it out!

[Yoru]

It's perfectly normal. Big Alliances are very afraid of being spied on by other big alliances.

Yeah, I was expecting to get shot at and chased since I'd read about the Shoot To Kill policies and such. I was just saying that it doesn't exactly project the sort of "come down and try out 0.0, the water's fine" image that would be necessary to get a larger portion of people to give it a shot. It feels a lot more like "this is our playground, you stay out or else", and that's an attitude that raises hackles for me. Maybe it's just my inner Che bubbling up, but when an uberguild presents itself and says "obey or else," my first reaction is to consider kicking 'em in the jimmy.

I'm going to disagree slightly with your assertion here. You can do mine in any system with 3 people as the minimum, and only 1 of those needs decent skills. (NPC Tanker/Defender who needs good skills, miner of any skill level, hauler of any skill level). I've been out in 0.0 for over a year and a half now, and I went out to 0.0 with under 2 mil skill points (although I could fly an interceptor then). I was able to contribute to the alliance I was in and make money in various ways, although the main way I made money was to be a loot whore for my friends who were NPC'ing from long range and couldn't be bothered to go loot their cans with their slow ass battleships.

Hrm, I guess it depends on if you consider 3 people a small group or not; which I do. You can always add more mining lasers to any operation when you already have the basics established. What you will find in 0.0 from established players is that they have become very self sufficient in many ways. Specifically in my corp that I am in right now, almost everyone has 2 accounts (A PvP/NPC account and an industrial/mining account). With these two accounts you can mine solo with some risk (kill the NPC's, switch ships and mine - ready to warp out when the NPC's respawn).

PvP'ing can provide a decent income solo if you keep at it. You can kill indies with the most basic of T1 frigs, but you are on the bottom of the food chain when it comes to combat ships so you will have to learn how to run. Interceptors provide good running ability, as well as good killing power for the frigate level of ships. It all depends on what you want to do.

/end ramble

I consider 3 to be a sufficiently small group, although what would the NPC tanker/defender need? A lone carrier takes several minutes to blow up a battlecruiser-class rat, so I'd expect he'd either need to be in a battleship or a battlecruiser. I'd still be hesitant to bring a mining barge into lowsec under that small of an escort though, since the damn things align and taxi so slowly; a cruiser mining boat, though, would do fine.

Given the success of our ratting group last night, I'll agree that you can certainly head down to lowsec in groups of 2-4 combat boats and have a fine time so long as you don't jump into anything extremely nasty (multi-battleship gatecamps come to mind). Even spawns of 3 battlecruisers or 2 battlecruisers and 2 destroyers were no match for our little group.

As for two accounts, that's a level of dedication and catassery that I'm unwilling to cross.

A question for you 0.0 folks, though; what sort of commitments do the 0.0 alliances demand? I find that the thing that'll turn me away from these worldy-type games is maintenance; I mind grinding minerals/money a lot more when it's going towards treading water rather than some goal. And the dead last thing I want to get roped into is mandatory patrols or mining - the instant someone says 'mandatory', it stops being a fun game and starts being a second job.

[WayAbvPar]

And the dead last thing I want to get roped into is mandatory patrols or mining - the instant someone says 'mandatory', it stops being a fun game and starts being a second job.

A-fucking-men. That is part of what drove me away from Shadowbane.

I am hoping to get my frigate outfitted well enough to come play with the big boys soon- I am still tinkering and finding out what I like and don't like, what works and doesn't, etc. Of course, by the time I get it all figured out it will be time to move up to the next class of ship 

On another topic altogether- anyone else enjoying the Tractor Beam BPO fiasco as much as I am? I think it is fucking hilarious.

[Piperfan]

I don't think it's possible to catass in this game.  Yoru, me, straz and some other guy(tm) went all the way down to 0.1 last night to test out Straz's new ship that was built as the result of corp efforts.  We had a pretty good time.  I think it's just a matter of finding some good people to hang out with like every other mmorpg.

It was fun.

--some other guy(tm)

[gimpyone]

I couldn't remember your board name. 

[Merusk]

The more I think about it, the more I realize if I were to go on to PVP and low-sec space it wouldn't be as a member of a corp.  I'd much rather be involved in a small corp of mercs or bounty hunters than play the whole catass of nations game.  That's fun to me, playing patrol the gate for 8 hours isn't.

[Mr_PeaCH]

I subbed for 3 months, so you will have me to kick around at least until April. Come on back and check it out!

Hey WAP, I believe I will be hooking up my free 2 week trial soon.  What do I need to know if I want to find you in-game (and if you want to be found, natch) and what are some good boards/resources for the EVE n00b?

[Megrim]

I subbed for 3 months, so you will have me to kick around at least until April. Come on back and check it out!

Hey WAP, I believe I will be hooking up my free 2 week trial soon.  What do I need to know if I want to find you in-game (and if you want to be found, natch) and what are some good boards/resources for the EVE n00b?

We use the 'f13' channel in-game, and there are corp offices scattered around in Gallente and Caldari space. Don't know if there are others (?). You can check out the official EVE boards, as they have a pretty good amount of info (including a "most advantageous" skill progression thread in the Skills forum).

[Piperfan]

I couldn't remember your board name. 

Since I have these massive 18 posts on this board I find your story implausible. I have been insulted sir. My seconds shall caontact your seconds that we may find satisfaction in manly combat. :)

We use the 'f13' channel in-game, and there are corp offices scattered around in Gallente and Caldari space. Don't know if there are others (?). You can check out the official EVE boards, as they have a pretty good amount of info (including a "most advantageous" skill progression thread in the Skills forum).

Minmatar has an office on Onga VIII, I forget the moon but it is the one with the Imperial Armament Factory.

[Raging Turtle]

Question:  How crowded is 0.0 space?  Are there well estabished borders between alliances through all the arms of the galaxy, or are there also big empty chunks of no-mans-land?  The idea of F13 carving out its own little corner of space sounds nice, but not so feasible with our small numbers.

For any other n00bs like me:  Someone pointed this site out to me ingame the other day, good for deciding on a 'goal' ship to work for.  Or even a race, if you're some kind of freak who keeps switching between race ship skills every other day    http://destabiliser.com/eveships/

Edit:  What the hell does POS means.  Every time I see it I think Piece of Shit, but that aint right.

[Yoru]

Question:  How crowded is 0.0 space?  Are there well estabished borders between alliances through all the arms of the galaxy, or are there also big empty chunks of no-mans-land?  The idea of F13 carving out its own little corner of space sounds nice, but not so feasible with our small numbers.

For any other n00bs like me:  Someone pointed this site out to me ingame the other day, good for deciding on a 'goal' ship to work for.  Or even a race, if you're some kind of freak who keeps switching between race ship skills every other day    http://destabiliser.com/eveships/

Edit:  What the hell does POS means.  Every time I see it I think Piece of Shit, but that aint right.

According to the eve-offline.net map, someone claims (at least nominally) pretty much everything in zerosec. Whether or not those huge claims are tightly controlled or largely empty, I don't know.

POS = Player Owned Station, referring both to buildable/conquerable starbases in zerosec and the deployable space structures that go up around moons in lowsec; these latter types can be put up in 0.7 and below now due to the RMR update.

[Raging Turtle]

Question:  How crowded is 0.0 space?  Are there well estabished borders between alliances through all the arms of the galaxy, or are there also big empty chunks of no-mans-land?  The idea of F13 carving out its own little corner of space sounds nice, but not so feasible with our small numbers.

For any other n00bs like me:  Someone pointed this site out to me ingame the other day, good for deciding on a 'goal' ship to work for.  Or even a race, if you're some kind of freak who keeps switching between race ship skills every other day    http://destabiliser.com/eveships/

Edit:  What the hell does POS means.  Every time I see it I think Piece of Shit, but that aint right.

According to the eve-offline.net map, someone claims (at least nominally) pretty much everything in zerosec. Whether or not those huge claims are tightly controlled or largely empty, I don't know.

POS = Player Owned Station, referring both to buildable/conquerable starbases in zerosec and the deployable space structures that go up around moons in lowsec; these latter types can be put up in 0.7 and below now due to the RMR update.

Huh.  I'm really curious to see how enforced those borders are. 

And damn, people, think up some more interesting Alliance names. 

[Raging Turtle]

On another topic altogether- anyone else enjoying the Tractor Beam BPO fiasco as much as I am? I think it is fucking hilarious.

From the thread:  http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/

[schild]

That's awesome.

[Furiously]

some of those areas are freaking huge. I don't see how you could conceivably patrol them with even 1000 people in your alliance.

[Viin]

POS = Player Owned Station, referring both to buildable/conquerable starbases in zerosec and the deployable space structures that go up around moons in lowsec; these latter types can be put up in 0.7 and below now due to the RMR update.

Ooooh really? Maybe we should scout out a good 0.7 sector and work towards putting a POS there. If we can use it as a gateway into lower sec space and carve out our own little pleasure palace...

[Alkiera]

On another topic altogether- anyone else enjoying the Tractor Beam BPO fiasco as much as I am? I think it is fucking hilarious.

I tried reading that... it was like they were all commenting on an article that didn't exist, or something.  It made no sense. 

Alkiera

[WayAbvPar]

POS = Player Owned Station, referring both to buildable/conquerable starbases in zerosec and the deployable space structures that go up around moons in lowsec; these latter types can be put up in 0.7 and below now due to the RMR update.

Ooooh really? Maybe we should scout out a good 0.7 sector and work towards putting a POS there. If we can use it as a gateway into lower sec space and carve out our own little pleasure palace...

That is a good plan. Get a border area we can use for a base camp and expand from there.

[Viin]

Can we get our own board yet? can we? can we? can we?

 :-D

[WayAbvPar]

On another topic altogether- anyone else enjoying the Tractor Beam BPO fiasco as much as I am? I think it is fucking hilarious.

I tried reading that... it was like they were all commenting on an article that didn't exist, or something.  It made no sense. 

Alkiera

Basically, CCP said in the patch notes preview that they were going to increase the price of the Tractor Beam BPO to  15 million to put it more in line with the prices of the materials needed to construct it. A bunch of people ran out and bought tons of them in anctipation of phat profits when the price went up (I think they were really cheap, like 81k or something). CCP then changed their mind before the patch went live, and rescinded the price change, sticking all the insider traders with basically worthless BPOs (they can't be resold to NPCs).

The people who tried to weasel the system got fucked, which brings tears of joy to my eyes.

[Merusk]

On another topic altogether- anyone else enjoying the Tractor Beam BPO fiasco as much as I am? I think it is fucking hilarious.

From the thread:  http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/

Ginger Magician bitching about that is the funniest thing to me, ever.  You see, Ginger is a punkass dual-account gatecamper who hangs out in Minmatar space, usually the Resbroko or other .5->.4 gate in Metropolis.  He's the only guy to have ganked me in the game, and he's caught me in a few places.  He has one BS set-up as the sniper and the other as the targeting drone.  Any bounty put on him that's high enough he pods himself and pockets.  A douchebag of the highest order so I laugh, and laugh and laugh at his misery.

[Alkiera]

On another topic altogether- anyone else enjoying the Tractor Beam BPO fiasco as much as I am? I think it is fucking hilarious.

I tried reading that... it was like they were all commenting on an article that didn't exist, or something.  It made no sense. 

Alkiera

Basically, CCP said in the patch notes preview that they were going to increase the price of the Tractor Beam BPO to  15 million to put it more in line with the prices of the materials needed to construct it. A bunch of people ran out and bought tons of them in anctipation of phat profits when the price went up (I think they were really cheap, like 81k or something). CCP then changed their mind before the patch went live, and rescinded the price change, sticking all the insider traders with basically worthless BPOs (they can't be resold to NPCs).

The people who tried to weasel the system got fucked, which brings tears of joy to my eyes.

Ahh, I see.  yah, kinda funny.  And BPO... Blueprint...  Object?  I never got the 'put letters in the middle of words into their acronyms' thing.  Another gotcha, these days, most blue prints aren't blue.  Weee!

Alkiera