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Hoax
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Reply #70 on: December 19, 2005, 09:04:23 AM

The boards can actually help you find the right corp/alliance.  The recruitment threads are typically pretty thought-out and detailed.  Too bad their forum format is ass though, I forget why but I know I've always felt that way.

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Reply #71 on: December 19, 2005, 09:16:47 AM

There is also a recruitment channel in game, or maybe that is just the noob/general channel? Anyways, I often see people recruiting in the various general channels.

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Reply #72 on: December 19, 2005, 09:53:42 AM

Well, i never tried EVE out on the first go around so i'm a complete n00b. Still, i like the interface lots, very pleasing and appropriate for a space exploration/conquering type game. Finished the tutorial and am now floating around in my garbage scow wondering what to do. We'll see if it sticks, but i've enjoyed the first 10 hours. Talan Crossborn is the handle, subject to change on discovering i picked the most gimped faction/race choice in the near future.

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Reply #73 on: December 19, 2005, 10:43:54 AM

From the way it sounds, you can learn all the skills and get all the items one way or the other anyway, so you beginning choices only matter in the beginning.

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Reply #74 on: December 19, 2005, 11:40:43 AM

They just broke 100k subs, almost double what they had one year ago.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=265211

Broke 20k online yesterday too. Guess the 1:5 peak concurrent users:subs rule of thumb ratio still holds too.

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Reply #75 on: December 19, 2005, 11:46:31 AM

Very cool. I think CCP does a good job and I'm glad to see that my recent renewal helped them get over 100k.

I will say, it's hard to get back into it once you've been gone for awhile. I'll have to spend time reading over the patch notes and see what's different. It'd almost be easier starting over except that I already have almost 5mil in skills that I'd hate to lose...

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Reply #76 on: December 19, 2005, 11:48:47 AM

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Edited my statement regarding subscriptions. EVE has over 100k active accounts, including trials. Active subscriptions are now over 86k. Sorry for the mix-up!
Wow. Just wow.

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Reply #77 on: December 19, 2005, 11:51:27 AM

Is it me, or do all the NPCs post-RMR seem to have afterburners or MWDs? I can open fire on a frigate rat at 40km in my Caracal and within seconds he's circling me at 5km.

Damned glad I invested in missiles instead of turrets now...
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Reply #78 on: December 19, 2005, 11:54:23 AM

Actually this is a MAJOR misconception and I just realized I should let you guys know asap how this really works.  Your initial character creation choices can save you HOURS-DAYS of training time.  First off, you need to decide what skill areas you will have the character focus in.

Then look at the two skills involved in those areas.  Maximize your characters stats in those areas through the starter traits.  Then you first few days of training should be just raising those skills even higher, if you want to really maximize your training time/skill ratio you can then get into implants but getting beyond +3 (I think) requires some serious investment.

Also it is smart to specialize as much as possible in what skills you start with, any of the starter skills can be purchased on the cheap and trained to level2 in like 45min but the higher ranks are exponentially longer.  Ideally you want to have at least one skill you think you'll need at level4 when your character is created.

One last note, despite what the game says, you can pause a skill in mid training then start another without penalty.  I know that threw me off several times.  But again I haven't played in like 6 months, so perhaps that warning has been removed or is accurate at this point.

The difference will not be noticeable until you start training the newbie skills to rank4-5 but once you start having to work on any of the tierII skills we're talking about differences in days for each point -or something in that ballpark.  As for starting race, well I think that matters, because really making it through the first two months of EvE are the hardest part, as you have not established the social contacts needed to keep the game interesting and as in all games the newbie game sucks compared to the stuff you get to do later.  If you want to fly ships from a race it is usually a good idea to be that race as that will save you 3 levels in ship skills as well as training the particular weapon class.
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Reply #79 on: December 19, 2005, 11:55:29 AM

Longest.  Tutorial.  Ever.

Christ that's the truth. I still haven't finished it.  Whatever.  

The game is slow but it's fine for me for now -- I'm not interested in catassing the forums to learn everything.  I'll just worm my way along learning stuff.

Didn't play this week at all, moving house and waiting for reconnection.  In game name is Soln.
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Reply #80 on: December 19, 2005, 12:14:32 PM

The tutorial is long, but worth it I think. Along with EQ2's, it's one of the best, I think.

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Reply #81 on: December 19, 2005, 12:24:39 PM

Make sure you finish the tutorial and first storyline mission. You get an implant at the end and it's usually worth a million ISK or so. Some easy cash there. Check your email for offers from agents, you get storyline missions that way.

The recruiting is overwhelming and nobody really explains how they stand in the big picture. It's hard to weed through them all. The ingame recruiting channel sucks, IMO. Lots of spam.

Yes, you can switch skill training all the time and not lose the progress on the skill you are switching from. I leave skills that take a long time on over night or if I'll be offline for a while. While I'm playing, I switch to some shorter skills - 15 minutes to 2 hours - and back to the long skill before I log out.

Also, don't be in any rush to move up ship classes. Spend a lot of time in Frigates if you can. The bigger the ships are, the more skills you need to be effective in them. I'm constantly back tracking because I trade up too fast only to find out I need X & Y skills to really be good in that ship, so back I go to the class below and start training them. I'm staring at several skills I want that need over a month to train from 4 to 5.

Also, if you think you are in for the long haul, train up those learning skills before anything else if possible. They increase how fast other skills train up.
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Reply #82 on: December 19, 2005, 04:43:46 PM

For those of you making characters, check out http://www.eve-offline.net/. They have a character creator that will show you what skills you'd end up with once you are done creating.

Try to get level 4 in at least one skill.

For example: Caldari, Deteis, Tube Child, State War Academy, Operations, Command, Captain Training
Nets you: Caldari Frigate 4, Leadership 2, and a bunch of level 1 skills. Int 7, Char 6, Perc 5, Mem 7, Willpower 9

Since I fly Frigates, this was a good way to start out as it gives you access to almost all of the Caldari frigates.

It can be pretty complex when you start looking at the stuff you want to do. Basically, Willpower and Perception are the main skills for combat, with Int helping.

The Character Guide might also be useful to someone.

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Reply #83 on: December 19, 2005, 04:51:05 PM

mispost :)

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Reply #84 on: December 19, 2005, 07:02:45 PM

I kicked around in my trial character, and am enjoying it so far. It's a little weird playing a game with an in-game web browser (which sucks, btw).

But I really wish there was more explanation of the skills available. Something like a "Tech Tree" that you get with Civ. It's so daunting to see all these skills, and have no idea what they mean. And knowing that eventually the skills takes *weeks* to learn, it makes me very nervous about gimping a character, or wasting time traveling down skill trees I won't really like/need in the end anyways.

So I'll probably sub after the trial, and give it a go for a bit. Is there any logic to picking a race? I'm mostly driven by the aesthetics of their ships. My trial character is Caldari, and I hate it because the Caldari ships look dumb. Is there any difference if I rerolled as a new race?
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Reply #85 on: December 19, 2005, 07:09:29 PM


But I really wish there was more explanation of the skills available. Something like a "Tech Tree" that you get with Civ. It's so daunting to see all these skills, and have no idea what they mean. And knowing that eventually the skills takes *weeks* to learn, it makes me very nervous about gimping a character, or wasting time traveling down skill trees I won't really like/need in the end anyways.

There used to be a really good char-planner out there on a site called eve-i, but I think the site's gone bye-bye.  Was a really great planner, though. Would adjust your learning time based on your stats, could login to chek the actual status of your character's learning,  and plugged-into a ship builder that would let you plan exactly what you could use ahead of time. 

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Reply #86 on: December 19, 2005, 08:09:56 PM

I wouldn't worry so much about your skills. Do the stuff you know you need or would like to do, if you have 'spare' time between learning new skills, you can always increase your base skills (like any of Ship Command skills). I didn't learn anything unless I needed it for something. If you pickup loot that you'd like to use but don't have the skills for, then you buy it and learn it. Doesn't hurt anything except the money you spent to pickup the skill.

If you start to do PvP then there's a whole new set of skills to learn, but hopefully you are in a corp that can help you out with what's good, etc.

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Reply #87 on: December 19, 2005, 08:52:54 PM

I have the blueprints for a Caldari Blackbird if anyone is interested, I'd just need the materials to make it.

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Reply #88 on: December 19, 2005, 11:25:34 PM

I thought I'd throw out a short list of all the f13.net players that posted in this thread, I have to admit, I am tempted to resub/ buy a new gametime card.

Cheddar -  Arzhel 
MrHat    -  Cerrano Pax
Yoru      - Yaeru
Soukyan - Silas Fennec
Strazos   - Strazos Strovanov

Quite likely I missed someone, just add yourself please.

I might be back in game during the holidays, but can't remember my characters name at the moment.

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Reply #89 on: December 19, 2005, 11:31:50 PM

squirrel - Talan Bourne - already rerolled once heh, thanks for the character creator link Viin

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Reply #90 on: December 20, 2005, 12:28:28 AM

Downloading now and going to try an Amarr Trader.
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Reply #91 on: December 20, 2005, 12:42:41 AM

Tebonas - Enkebesh (Gallente)

You will find me for a few days every few months. Sadly I get quickly bored by the game, but I love to give them money once in a while because I like what they did and the positive attitude they are having about everything including customers.
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Reply #92 on: December 20, 2005, 12:53:28 AM

Cheddar -  Arzhel 
MrHat    -  Cerrano Pax
Yoru      - Yaeru
Soukyan - Silas Fennec
Strazos   - Strazos Strovanov
squirrel   - Talan Bourne
Tebonas - Enkebesh

postcount++, heh

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Reply #93 on: December 20, 2005, 12:55:52 AM

Mahrin Skel is playing. Who knows if he's willing to give up his name though.  rolleyes
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Reply #94 on: December 20, 2005, 01:27:34 AM

Mahrin Skel is playing. Who knows if he's willing to give up his name though.  rolleyes
Who knows, maybe there is a player called "Mahrin Skrel" ? :-D

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Reply #95 on: December 20, 2005, 01:43:15 AM

I bought Eve the day it came out. I am Elvis. My name is uber. I also have a character named Jett Rink (maybe even more uber? I dunno).


Eh, I played a character named Arythan more often though. I stopped playing when I noticed that all I was doing was logging in every so often to train up.
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Reply #96 on: December 20, 2005, 01:46:57 AM

Who knows, maybe there is a player called "Mahrin Skrel" ? :-D
ROFL!


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Reply #97 on: December 20, 2005, 01:50:55 AM

Who knows, maybe there is a player called "Mahrin Skrel" ? :-D
ROFL!



Bravo, instead of him coming on and confirming his identity, zee dev stalker did it.
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Reply #98 on: December 20, 2005, 02:21:47 AM

After SB was channeled in that other thread, the games mahrin's company work at, scare me. :-D

EDIT: Fixed spelling, added :-D

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Reply #99 on: December 20, 2005, 02:30:51 AM

After SB was channeled in that other thread, the games mahrin's company work at, scare me. :-D

EDIT: Fixed spelling, added :-D

I like Orbis immensely. They're doing what I've said forever (well, since Waterthread as far as this "forever" is concerned). Don't bother competing with the mainstream market. They aren't worth it and are far too annoying.
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Reply #100 on: December 20, 2005, 04:14:19 AM

I like Orbis immensely. They're doing what I've said forever (well, since Waterthread as far as this "forever" is concerned). Don't bother competing with the mainstream market. They aren't worth it and are far too annoying.
Don't get me wrong, nothing against their products, I agree with you wholeheartedly that "nice" is the future of at least the smaller developers.

But seeing Bruce being named 3 times and then reeding something about "breeding your puppy/horse" made me uncomfortable  Beating a Dead Horse

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Reply #101 on: December 20, 2005, 04:56:07 AM

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Don't bother competing with the mainstream market. They aren't worth it and are far too annoying
It's also just plain good business practice. I have made Blue Ocean Thinking required reading at work.
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Reply #102 on: December 20, 2005, 05:46:12 AM

Well, I tried to put a bounty on Mahrin, but it seems the system accept only bounties on character with a low security status.

/deluded

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Reply #103 on: December 20, 2005, 05:56:01 AM

You know, if I was a developer I would be REALLY afraid.

If one of them goes missing one day, chances are good he lives in your basement with amputated limbs.
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Reply #104 on: December 20, 2005, 06:20:52 AM

Virtual puppy mills and glue factories for the win!
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