More SoE office drama

[SuperPopTart]

Ahh wake up..

Have you first cup of hot chocolate..

And read the morning F13's.

What more could a girl want?

This entire thread has probably served some sadistic purpose in her. She is, after all, Malice.

[Soln]

"Ho-ho-ho"



Edit: kitten add

[Calantus]

Sheep the add.

[Azazel]

Pfft. We've all heard it before I'm sure. It's like she printed it from a textbook. How did this hit 7 pages again?

Well, for the last few pages, I had crap I had to do with my gaming computer so I couldn't blow pretend monsters up, and I was bored. schild.. well, he was up late watching tv, I think, and also obviously just as bored.

[Shockeye]

I'm a married woman.  Of course I wouldn't "hit it".  But he does have kind eyes and a sweet smile and I'm sure he gets offers from people wanting to hit him all the time. 

He seems very hugable.

[cevik]

I'm a married woman.  Of course I wouldn't "hit it".  But he does have kind eyes and a sweet smile and I'm sure he gets offers from people wanting to hit him all the time. 

He seems very hugable.

Combined with your avatar, this is my favorite post of all time.

[Signe]

His avatar scares me.  It's some actor, right?  It's not him, is it? 

[HaemishM]

HOW THE HOLY MONKEY FUCK DID THIS IDIOTIC THREAD GET TO BE SEVEN FUCKING PAGES?!??!!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!?!?!?

And since I'm catching up from page 4 of the Retardathon central:

- btw, the CRM for a game should be considered a lead on the team

Yes. They should also be without soul when you hire them, because the job will take whatever fractured pieces of humanity they have left and grind it up into little jagged bits that even a dog wouldn't swallw. CRM's are the trudging damned.

btw, yes, you need to run forums. All our games will have forums henceforth. Here's the stock policies on bannings, etc.

No, I'll have to disagree here. Forums only cause no-life geeks to feel entitled to communication with the devs. Their self-importance does not need anymore inflation than it already had. That's what guilds are for. Fuck forums in their tiny little earhole. Pick correspondents out of people you learn you can trust and tell the rest to fuck off to the Vault.

See why I'd never make a good CRM? Or maybe I'd make a great one, because the Internet has already removed what little parts of my soul were left after working in marketing.

- here's some advice on handling problems: always be honest, be prompt, don't overpromise, etc etc.

/rimshot

When is SOE going to implement this policy?

/rimshot

 

[HaemishM]

Your puritan founding fathers really fucked you guys up, didn't they?

Yes, unfortunately they did.

A webcam is running while she fools around with her girlfriend. If for you that is the same thing as her spreading for some sweaty fat stranger then you have to straighten out your unpleasentometers.

She is in porn business, but she is no whore. She chooses her sexual partner and what she does with him/her. The difference might not be that great for a horny male, but it makes all the difference to a woman, or so I was told.

What you said. She's selling pictures of her body, not her body. That's not whoring. It's modeling. It is pr0n. There's nothing wrong with pr0n. Being in the pr0n industry doesn't make you a whore, having guys pay you money so they can fuck you, that makes you a whore. She sells masturbatory stimulation.

That's a good thing (TM). Comma goddamnit. I think if everyone masturbated at least 50% more than they currently do, we'd all be a much happier people. And more tired. And hungry.

[Righ]

She's a whore? No, she stopped working at SOE and now runs her own porn site. She used to be a whore, now she's a businesswoman.

Numtini wins this thread.

[SuperPopTart]

It's 10:30 am. Did you HAVE to put such huge RED font? I mean really. Wasn't I picked on for the very same thing? Tsk Tsk.

We are now on page 8 and I say Numtini hasn't won.

We need somoene to start keeping score.

Any takers?

[HaemishM]

I will agree with schild on one thing. She's a huge fucking hypocrite.

Why? Because she whines and complains that the reason she didn't get promoted was because another female in the offcie jiggled her titties at the bosses and she didn't. Yet, she makes money now (and then apparently) by jiggling her titties on a web site for complete strangers.

Does no one see that as a hypocritical contradiction? Ok, good others do.

She's not a whore whore. She's an attention whore, that's obvious. But not a whore whore.

The winner of this thread? Isn't it obvious? It's the former SOE employee turned pr0n goddess who apparently is going to get more subscriptions out of all this attention.

[El Gallo]

This thread has surpassed my wildest dreams.  The sexual harassment clusterfuck, our favorite red-named celeb making an appearance, the YA RLY owl, Haem's giant red text, cross-linkage, lots of furious anger about nothing fueled by a Sir Bruce style semantic argument, and a really nice rack.  

This thread pretty much sums up the entire internet.  

[Merusk]

This thread pretty much sums up the entire internet.  

I can think of a few key things missing from it still.  D Smrt, Furries, and mangina.  It's damn close though.

[HaemishM]

This thread pretty much sums up the entire internet.  

I can think of a few key things missing from it still.  D Smrt, Furries, and mangina.  It's damn close though.

Don't give them anymore fucking ideas.

[Margalis]

I will agree with schild on one thing. She's a huge fucking hypocrite.

Why? Because she whines and complains that the reason she didn't get promoted was because another female in the offcie jiggled her titties at the bosses and she didn't. Yet, she makes money now (and then apparently) by jiggling her titties on a web site for complete strangers.

You guys just don't get it.

In porn, jiggling your tits is a job requirement. It's what you are SUPPOSED to be judged on. Working at SOE there is a different set of job criteria.

If you are really good at cleaning up elephant shit that matters a lot if you work in a zoo. Does it matter if you are an Opera singer? No. You are supposed to be judged based on what you bring to the table relevant to the job.

The context matters. This is such a simple context, I can't believe people don't get it. Would you hire a CEO because he was good at soccer? Or choose a soccer player for the US Olypmic team because he was good at hockey?

Her point is not just that the other girls wiggled her tits - her point is that wiggling her tits is not supposed to have anything to do with the job. It's not a good reason to be promoted in a company environment.

[Dren]

Should jigglies be required for a better position in an office that does not need employees with jigglies to function?
No

Did the women in question display jigglies and get preferencial treatment at said office?
Source untrustworthy, lack of information from all parties.  It will never be settled without a doubt.

Am I missing anything?

Oh to the question of firing her in the first place:

If I bring in a print out of other women's jigglies for them to be signed out of adoration, is that wrong?
Is it? Or is pornography banned from the office?  Are pornographers banned as well?  Should I have her sign it after work someplace else?  Is it any different then?  At what point in the day do I acceptably go from coworker or boss to fan?

If she didn't have a site, but allowed coworkers to view her body after work for money, should she have kept her job then?  How is having a site to do the same thing any different?

As a manager, I'd have fired her too.

[Roac]

You know, when I said I was more interested in Raph's 65 page manual than what a net porn star says, I mean it.  

What in the world got into everyone last night anyway?  Holy crap.

[HaemishM]

No, it isn't SUPPOSED to have anything to do with her job. But guess what? People aren't fucking robots. And people, ESPECIALLY MEN, will respond to positive behaviour towards them much better than they do to neutral or negative behaviour.

I am guilty of it myself.

Here's an example of what I mean. Say I work the counter in retail. 3 customers approach me for service. A is bouncy, blonde, has big tits and is boisterous, and whether purposeful or not, is flirty. Chick B is a woman with little or no emotion evident, a no-nonesense business as usual type of person. She isn't cold, but she isn't warm either, she's just neutral. Finally, Chick C is a goth chick who is semi-attractive, but really cold, snotty or otherwise not engaging as a person. Without being rude, even her body language tells me she could give two shits what I thought or what service I render to her.

Guess what? Chick A is going to get better service from me than either B or C, simply by the way she responded to me. Now, this won't be true all the time, but 90% of the time, yeah, A's going to get my best, followed by B then C. Is that right?

No, but it's reality. There's no sexual discrimination there. I'm just responding as a human being. You get more flies with honey is a cliche because it's true a lot of the time.

The reason we mention her hypocrisy in this regard is because she chose to whine about one of her co-workers getting a raise for flirting (and since all we've heard her say is something that sounds like flirting instead of actual sexual favors), something she refused to do. But then she does something that essentially involves flirting for money. One of these things is EXACTLY like the other.

If someone was asking her to blow him for a promotion, that would be wrong. But if someone is just rewarding friendliness, that may not be right, but it isn't wrong, and it should be expected. Because that's how humans are.

[Alkiera]

Should jigglies be required for a better position in an office that does not need employees with jigglies to function?
No

Did the women in question display jigglies and get preferencial treatment at said office?
Source untrustworthy, lack of information from all parties.  It will never be settled without a doubt.

Am I missing anything?

Oh to the question of firing her in the first place:

If I bring in a print out of other women's jigglies for them to be signed out of adoration, is that wrong?
Is it? Or is pornography banned from the office?  Are pornographers banned as well?  Should I have her sign it after work someplace else?  Is it any different then?  At what point in the day do I acceptably go from coworker or boss to fan?

If she didn't have a site, but allowed coworkers to view her body after work for money, should she have kept her job then?  How is having a site to do the same thing any different?

As a manager, I'd have fired her too.

Except, she wasn't fired, she quit.  She gave like a month's notice, and then stopped showing up for work.  That is not getting fired.

She decided she'd had it with the work environment at SOE, and her side job(running a porn site) became her primary job.

Again, just to repeat, there was NO firing.

Alkiera

[Dren]

I'd have fired her anyway.  :-D

[Hoax]

After Sherlock Holmsing all the facts..  I've decided these are the events that led to what we have now.

-She's doing the pr0n site, everyone at her office knows about.

-Therefore anything her boss (who must be a douche, this IS sony) says to her gets turned into innuendo by her "everything is about meeee" brain.

-So she's probably the same annoying, classless, stupid (insulting geeks on your website when your doing soft goth pr0n for $15/mo?) attention whore we have all now been introduced to.

-Some other babe shows up at the office, has a great personality, or just isn't an angry closet goth lesbo (nicer tits even who knows), and gets a promotion

-Psycho-whore flips out, and due to the drugs/abusive parents/I do pr0n/general skewed world-view thing assumes that other babe must have flashed boobies!!!

-She quits in a rage, then realizes she has like 17 subs for her stupid goth pr0n website, so she blogs some shit, and watches the sub numbers rise...

In the end she wins, because there is no such thing as bad publicity.

[HaemishM]

In the end she wins, because there is no such thing as bad publicity.

In other words, her life is the MMOG release cycle.

[shiznitz]

Internet, Seriouis  Buziness.

With that I think the thread can die.  :-D

NSFW fucker.

[Rasix]

Haem, it may be fucked up, but it's still not hypocrisy.  Hate to bring it down to a semantic argument, but it is.  Calling someone a hypocrite is a pretty serious thing to do and is just not applicable in this case. She knew where to shake her tits for cash and where that is considered part of the job.  She knew in her SOE job, this should not effect how her job performance is rated and how promotions are given.  Perhaps she was using the term "shake her tits" to refer to the overall demeanor of the other individual, but we can't know this based on what is said.

Sorry, the hypocrite claim just doesn't fly here. It's like Alanis Morisette's song "Ironic".  Rain on your wedding day isn't ironic, it's just shitty.

[Merusk]

Internet, Seriouis  Buziness.

With that I think the thread can die.  :-D

NSFW fucker.

Eh? I didn't pay attention, just went to the LJ site rather than the other because the other was most definatly not.

However, the whole thread's about porn and her porn site, I have no idea why you thought it'd be safe in the first place.

If I bring in a print out of other women's jigglies for them to be signed out of adoration, is that wrong?
Is it? Or is pornography banned from the office? Are pornographers banned as well? Should I have her sign it after work someplace else? Is it any different then? At what point in the day do I acceptably go from coworker or boss to fan?

You never move from 'boss' to 'other' as long as that person works under you.  Examples of successful suits on the part of the plantiff that were given in the previous harassment & managers seminar I was at included: A party at being held at an employee's house and someone put on some porn.  One of the coworkers made a comment about how one of the actresses looked like one of the female coworkers while she was there.  A manager was present as well, and laughed along.  The manager was successfuly sued for creating a hostile working environment.

Whoopsie.

[HaemishM]

How about whiny? Two-faced? Disingenuous?

She doesn't want to shake her tits for more money, so she goes and shakes her tits for more money. Yes, it's inappropriate at one and required at the other. That doesn't keep it from sounding silly that she would frown on someone else "shaking their moneymaker" for more attention at one place, then go and shake her moneymaker at another place.

[El Gallo]

MY THREAD WANTS TO LIIIIIIVE!!

I feel like Richard Pryor in Superman II.

[Dren]

Internet, Seriouis  Buziness.

With that I think the thread can die.  :-D

NSFW fucker.

Eh? I didn't pay attention, just went to the LJ site rather than the other because the other was most definatly not.

However, the whole thread's about porn and her porn site, I have no idea why you thought it'd be safe in the first place.

If I bring in a print out of other women's jigglies for them to be signed out of adoration, is that wrong?
Is it? Or is pornography banned from the office? Are pornographers banned as well? Should I have her sign it after work someplace else? Is it any different then? At what point in the day do I acceptably go from coworker or boss to fan?

You never move from 'boss' to 'other' as long as that person works under you.  Examples of successful suits on the part of the plantiff that were given in the previous harassment & managers seminar I was at included: A party at being held at an employee's house and someone put on some porn.  One of the coworkers made a comment about how one of the actresses looked like one of the female coworkers while she was there.  A manager was present as well, and laughed along.  The manager was successfuly sued for creating a hostile working environment.

Whoopsie.

The case you state here is correct.  He should have been slapped hard on that.  First he shouldn't have allowed a damned porno being played in front of a group of coworkers and if he couldn't stop it he should have left.

The difference in your arguement and mine is that the actress in question *IS* the coworker!  That is completely different.  Are you now saying he can't even ask her what she does outside of work?  As soon as she says, "I do porn on the internet," is he now liable??

Again, I ask you this simple question,"What is the difference between allowing bosses and coworkers to view my naked body outside of work FOR MONEY and having a website that allows the same thing?"  Are you going to say, "Well, it is up to you to just not look.  SHAME on you!"

The boss placing people in uncomfortable situations is unforgiveable, but what about the employee doing the same thing?

Plus, I cannot see how she can say jiggling her jigglies for free just to butter up the boss is worse than allowing the same thing to happen except he has to pay for it up front!  The Internet is public, people!  Once you put something of yourself out there, it is available to EVERYONE!  You have gone from viewing content to creating content.  There IS a responsibility associated with that act.  Be ready to answer to it.

[Righ]

In other words, her life is the MMOG release cycle.

Hur hur. You said release cycle.



RELEASE! RELEASE!

[5150]

I think if everyone masturbated at least 50% more than they currently do, we'd all be a much happier people. And more tired. And hungry.

Then I'd probably have RSI and not enough time left to do anything constructive

Did I actually type that?!?!

BTW Righ your last post had me in fucking stitches!  :-D

[Margalis]

How about whiny? Two-faced? Disingenuous?

It may be whiny, but if it is true I don't really see it as very whiny. It certainly is not two-faced or disingenuous. It's really very simple - at a job you should be judged based on *relevant* criteria. It's a very straightforward, simple and easily defendable position. What the person may be doing at some other job really doesn't matter. The problem here, again, is not that someone was flirting or shaking her rack. The problem was they got promoted (supposedly) for it. Whether or not the complainer shakes her rack at another job (which requires it) or at a bar after work really isn't relevant at all.

[Fabricated]

Wow, you people stayed up all night internetting away.

[Dren]

How about whiny? Two-faced? Disingenuous?

It may be whiny, but if it is true I don't really see it as very whiny. It certainly is not two-faced or disingenuous. It's really very simple - at a job you should be judged based on *relevant* criteria. It's a very straightforward, simple and easily defendable position. What the person may be doing at some other job really doesn't matter. The problem here, again, is not that someone was flirting or shaking her rack. The problem was they got promoted (supposedly) for it. Whether or not the complainer shakes her rack at another job (which requires it) or at a bar after work really isn't relevant at all.

Yes it is.  If you are going to tell us that nothing from outside of work finds its way into work, I'd have to call you a liar.  If somebody wants to be taken seriously about their own personal pasttimes or hobbies or other employment, then there should not be any reason aspects of those activities couldn't be discussed openly at the other job in question.

When I find out that a person has a similar hobby or one I find interesting outside of work, I talked to them about it.  It is called being nice and respecting that person's interests and trying to find common ground.  That's how a team becomes coesive and effective.  Many times there is a bit of teasing going on to break the tension and stress of work.  Some of that could be perceived as using ones body to get ahead in a job where that shouldn't be the criteria, but seriously in an indirect way it is.  If a person is part of a team and is unwilling to open up to a reasonable degree, they become a weak link in the chain.  People start to prefer not to work with them or just not as much.  The team starts to become a group of indivuals and that is just not as effective.

Now how does that work when a person is as described by this Malice in question?  What do I talk to her about at work?  "Have you had any good pictures added to your site lately?  Did they bring in more money for you?"  Everyone of those questions would be great if the person were selling potholders.  Porn, not so much.

If the boss were asking these questions of her and she got promoted, how would that look from that perspective to the other women in the firm?

If the other women had actually had sex with the boss or physically lifted her shirt for him, then that is a completely different story, but if it was just casual friendliness being displayed and she was rewarded for it.  Well, that IS how it works and I'm not sure the alternative would be any better.  Nice gals finish first.

[Warryyr]

"Ho-ho-ho"



Edit: kitten add

Hey, that cat's my avatar!  Yippee.