More SoE office drama

[Margalis]

I'm more inclined to believe that Bush has a master plan for Iraq than I am the SOE allegations from her at this point.

OH SNAP!

I will say I agree with what Roac said: If you have a disdain for work that will probably come through to other people and turn them off. But who knows - or cares.

[Margalis]

I understand the difference here. Point is. Bitching about using sexuality to get ahead and then going forth and using it as your source of income makes your point null and void.

Err...that's like saying a football player can't complain if you tackle him and start to beat him up while he is grocery shopping. In porn sexuality is the commodity you bring to the table. At most other jobs it isn't supposed to be. I'm not black so I probably wouldn't be hired to play a black man in a movie - does that mean it's also ok to not hire me for any other job? Yeah..not really.

[Fabricated]

I understand the difference here. Point is. Bitching about using sexuality to get ahead and then going forth and using it as your source of income makes your point null and void.

Err...that's like saying a football player can't complain if you tackle him and start to beat him up while he is grocery shopping.

That is a bad analogy.

[squirrel]

Hrm. Honestly, other than teh boobies i'm not sure why this is a story we care about. From what i can read, she wasn't sexually harrased at work, at least not to the point where a lawsuit is a reasonable recourse. The jiggly bitch who got the promotion may have been unprofessional, and the manager who promoted her incompetent, but these are HR issues, not legal ones.

Primarily this peaks our interest because of two points:

* She's relatively hawt
* She does goth porn

Otherwise it's a relatively dull story of a CSR who chose to move on. Big Whoop.

Dunno, i just don't buy that she is either a martyr illuminating the vicious harrasement and sexism of America's corporate underbelly -  or that she is a manipulative vixen playing the hearts and minds of innocent gamers.

She's a relatively attractive CSR/Dev who realized that pr0n pays better than a 9-7 corporate job. Wow. Big revelation...  not.

Having seen her site I can say that she can shake it plenty well, and well, to be a pig - i'd hit it.

[Der Helm]

[stray]

No. Please.

Besides, she looks like the type who hits back guys who say "I'd hit it".

[SuperPopTart]

I understand the difference here. Point is. Bitching about using sexuality to get ahead and then going forth and using it as your source of income makes your point null and void.

Err...that's like saying a football player can't complain if you tackle him and start to beat him up while he is grocery shopping. In porn sexuality is the commodity you bring to the table. At most other jobs it isn't supposed to be. I'm not black so I probably wouldn't be hired to play a black man in a movie - does that mean it's also ok to not hire me for any other job? Yeah..not really.

Should I have said: in this instance? Maybe that would have cushioned my point a bit better for you? She's allowed to complain about the atmosphere at her work as much as she likes. Just like we are allowed to give our opinion on it if she chooses to make it public. She did. I expressed my opinion. I think that if you complain on a blog about being passed over due to one girl jiggling her breasticles and the uppers drooling and promoting her over a more moral you, and you don't do something to rectify the situation while you are in it: I.E. Tell a supervisor, tell someone over that supervisor, complain to HR then you are a contributing factor to the very situation in which you are bitching and moaning about.  As for this one..

Hope she enjoys her job and doesn't bitch about being sexually harassed in this one.

[5150]

Gotta agree with wanting to read Raph's manual

A Theory of Support perhaps?

[squirrel]

Besides, she looks like the type who hits back guys who say "I'd hit it".

I would bet that every woman i've ever been intimate with would hit someone who used "I'd hit it" seriously. That said, i don't understand your aversion, she's pretty cute imo, not really my type but she's got some confidence, relatively pretty face, nice bod. So ya, what Ronald up there said.

EDIT: And to stay on topic - i don't think she has done anything that should result in her being villified, by the same token by her own description she obviously wasn't a fit at SOE.

I once managed a fairly senior team lead (reporting and metrics) who in turn had a team of 2 people. Awesome lady - also a stripper in her spare time to both make coin and get kinda naughty. Didn't effect my evaluation of her nor her teams, but then she was awesome at her day job.

[Slyfeind]

I have seen cases of a girl who giggles more often and does less-than-adequate work, gets promoted over the fat dude who kicks ass at his job.

I have also seen cases of girls being passed up for promotion based on their merit, and they blow it all out of proportion. They bring on the drama. I can't remember the comedian who said it, but at every job a woman works at, there's always another woman "out to destroy me!!!"

If it's a mega-corporation, you're screwed, because they can afford better lawyers than you. Yeah, it sucks, it's unethical, there are laws, but they got the cash and you don't. Sucks, huh? Hell yes it sucks. It sucks so much hairy llama balls that...well, it just sucks. (Insert some analogy with sucking llama balls, and Chile wool exports, and llamas being sterile from all the ball-sucking. Or something. I was giggling to myself when I wrote it, but it just looked stupid on the screen.)

But ultimately, you just gotta pack up and move on. Which is what she did. And I don't blame her for bitching about it. I would, too. Because it sucks hairy llama balls.

Also bear in mind men are genetically programmed to butt heads over pieces of ass and chunks of meat, then go to sleep for the rest of the day. THESE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE IN CHARGE OF CORPORATIONS. Women have been genetically programmed to take care of everybody when the men get themselves killed after butting heads. These people should be in charge of companies.

[squirrel]

My second point is this: men are genetically programmed to butt heads over pieces of ass and chunks of meat, then go to sleep for the rest of the day. THESE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE IN CHARGE OF CORPORATIONS. Women have been genetically programmed to take care of everybody when the men get themselves killed after butting heads. These people should be in charge of companies.

Agreed. I aspire to senior management - i've worked for $1 billion dollar plus software companies for about 10 years now, after a 6 year stint in adverstising. I got my MBA part-time recently as it's a must have for roles above director. All only relevant in that my experience has taught me that regardless of management education and industry i'd generally much rather have a team of women reporting to me and i'd much rather report to a woman. They just seem to get shit done better. That said, i've had several absolutley stellar male bosses, i don't want to generalize but overall my experience is consistant with Sly's.

[stray]

And to stay on topic

Umm...Which topic is that?  

That said, i don't understand your aversion

No aversion here. I just never liked the statement "I'd hit it". Not sure why.

It's a kind of "Stifler-ish", I guess......And I'd rather "hit" Stifler, if anyone.

[Signe]

I don't understand what "Stifler" means.

[Azazel]

I like hot naked goth girls, though there's so much free pron out there that I'd never pay a pay site. I don't see the big deal about someone bitching on the internet, it's pretty much standard practice, though she does seem to be of the Internet.Serious.Business. set, when in actuality who really gives a shit about hordes of people you'll never see, meet or do?

I am aroused (mentally) by the idea of seeing Raph's CS manual though..

[Roac]

Assuming Raph wrote a 65 page manual - why would he?  Not that he doesn't have a talent for writing, but I'd have figured there's a manager over CS who would be better suited to the task. 

[Sky]

I love lamp.

[Signe]

Assuming Raph wrote a 65 page manual - why would he?  Not that he doesn't have a talent for writing, but I'd have figured there's a manager over CS who would be better suited to the task. 

He ran a big, huge MUD, didn't he?  I was admin on one of those... it's all about handling people, innit?  I bet he did an excellent job on that sort of manual.

[Azazel]

So I started reading Lum's site after the linkage on another thread and I hobbled onto this amusing link about PornGothGirl.

http://www.anyuzer.com/archives/159.php

Some of you have probably already seen it, but it adds a bit of interesting perspective to the guesses of her personality. Anyone here like peanuts?

[schild]

Here's the thing, despite my harsh words, I don't mean to crucify this girl. I just want to knock her back to reality land. She shat on a job most people would do for free, complained about someone getting a job position over her on a blog that she knows ex-employees will find out about, and then went into porn. Though, she apparently had already done some porn. Or something. Really, none of that matters to me. At the end of the day she's in desperate need of a smack with the cluebat.

[Roac]

He ran a big, huge MUD, didn't he?  I was admin on one of those... it's all about handling people, innit?  I bet he did an excellent job on that sort of manual.

I wasn't insulting his qualifications, hence the disclaimer.  I would think, however, that a CS manager is better suited to writing policies for CS, as opposed to a designer/architect/creative lead.  I admin'd a big, huge MUD for a while too, as well as worked as lead forum mod, but my full time job is IT and I'm not particularly inclined to do someone else's job without there being a very pressing need (I have more than enough to occupy me that is mine already).  So, I'm just curious why he would.  I'd guess due to some personal interest with it, but I'm still curious.

[Ironwood]

Sigh.

One might almost imagine she's creating this torrent of publicity to generate traffic for her website.

Almost.


Whore.

[d4rkj3di]

Here's the thing, despite my harsh words, I don't mean to crucify this girl. I just want to knock her back to reality land. She shat on a job most people would do for free, complained about someone getting a job position over her on a blog that she knows ex-employees will find out about, and then went into porn. Though, she apparently had already done some porn. Or something. Really, none of that matters to me. At the end of the day she's in desperate need of a smack with the cluebat.

Anyone who would choose to work at a job for a large game company for free, is an idiot.  I think what schild is trying to tell us, is that most people are idiots.  As to Faarwolf/Malice, I think she already is in reality land, and has a firmer grasp on it than most.  At least she's not a Fragdoll.

[schild]

Anyone who would choose to work at a job for a large game company for free, is an idiot.  I think what schild is trying to tell us, is that most people are idiots.  As to Faarwolf/Malice, I think she already is in reality land, and has a firmer grasp on it than most.  At least she's not a Fragdoll.

A fragdoll writing "LAST POST, LOL!!11!!" would have been more acceptable than a forum moderator going off the handle. But the more I think about it, and I'm not trying to start a crusade here or anything, maybe forum moderators should be paid more. They are the ones who, after all, deal with all of the customer bullshit on the front lines. But it's a thankless job. Anyone knows that going in - or at least should know that.

[Xanthippe]

Forum mods don't get paid?

[schild]

Forum mods don't get paid?

More implies too little for the job. Not "none."

[Hoax]

1.  This should be heading for the den...  somebody must be offended about something in here.

2.  Where is raph, I too want to read at least the meeting section of the manual to confirm the meetings to schedule meetings angle.

3.  You should all be ashamed for something, depends on who you are!@!! 

4.  I'm giving the "best theory" award to:  she wants more traffic to her pr0n site.
 

[Signe]

Half of you guys here need a good spanking.  But why should I?  It's not as if you pay me!

[Nebu]

Half of you guys here need a good spanking.  But why should I?  It's not as if you pay me!

Step 1: Get a webcam.

Step 2: ? ? ?

Step 3: PROFIT!

[stray]

I don't understand what "Stifler" means.

Obnoxious dude from American Pie. Representative of the modern day frat boy idiot.

I don't know where exactly "I'd hit it" came from though. Maybe Jay from Jay and Silent Bob? Sounds like something he'd say too.


Either way, the saying has run it's course.

[Righ]

1.  This should be heading for the den...  somebody must be offended about something in here.

You can see her whenever it rains
From Rome to New Orleans dancing on the graves
Burden by the heart she loves her sunglasses after dark
And every single day her little life falls apart
She's out to look so macabre and alone
She's close to hook on her dying

Just like a gothic girl
Lost in the darken world
My lil' gothic girl
Darkerside jewel are your razor cuts for real baby

You can see she's on her road to ruin
Stigmata from crucifixion on her pale white skin
Tribal pagan art she loves her tatooed egyptian mark
And every single day her love will tear us apart

[Roac]

Singsong

Nonono.  It's no fun if you try to get it denned.

[Righ]

Singsong

Nonono.  It's no fun if you try to get it denned.

No fun for you maybe. I'm having a ball.

[Signe]

Everyone should try and get it denned.  The mods should try and restrain themselves and let's see which lyrics break them.

[WayAbvPar]

I am not denning it until I get paid for being a mod. I'll be over here, holding my breath.


Maybe I should threaten to start my own porn site. I think there would be a healthy profit margin from people paying me NOT to post pics of myself naked...

[Signe]

I think there would be a healthy profit margin from people paying me NOT to post pics of myself naked...

I would pay for that.